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Title: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 20, 2010, 18:47
This is not really a Merlin question, but there are Merlins with a juvie where I live.  I took some pictures today and I was just wondering if anyone could help me decide what type of bird is sitting beside the Merlin?   It looks like a woodpecker to me.  ???

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy320/Blondechik_2010/Merlin%202010/DSCN1916AA.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy320/Blondechik_2010/Merlin%202010/DSCN1933AA.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy320/Blondechik_2010/Merlin%202010/DSCN1927Aa.jpg)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: bcbird on August 20, 2010, 19:25
Both my husband and I agree it is very like the Northern Flicker we have here in BC, so perhaps that's your bird? 
That is a great picture of a merlin, RCF!
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: eagle63_1999 on August 20, 2010, 22:30
Yep it is a Northern Flicker next to the American Kestrel or Merlin. Looks more like a Kestrel to me because of the darker mustache it has.
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: photosbydennis on August 20, 2010, 22:57
I agree with Eagle...Nothern Flicker perched next to a Kestral...strange !
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: bcbird on August 20, 2010, 22:59
The bottom picture is a merlin, isn't it?
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 20, 2010, 23:06
The bottom picture is a merlin, isn't it?
I agree with Eagle...Nothern Flicker perched next to a Northern Kestral...strange !

Thank you both for the ID.  I went and looked at some pics on the web and can see the difference in the Kestrel and Merlin.  So I guess there are Kestrels in my neighborhood.  8)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 20, 2010, 23:12
The bottom picture is a merlin, isn't it?

I am no expert, but there were three of them all together making a lot of racket and I took the pics in a ten minute time frame.  I guess the woodpecker was just a bonus.  ;D
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: bcbird on August 20, 2010, 23:16
The bottom picture is perhaps the juvie then, as it doesn't have the usual reddish colouring of the adult kestral? 
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: eagle63_1999 on August 20, 2010, 23:19
The bottom picture is perhaps the juvie then, as it doesn't have the usual reddish colouring of the adult kestral? 

Or it could be the female of the Kestrel species.
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: carly on August 21, 2010, 06:36
Beautiful photos RCF!  I don't know much about other bird species outside of our pefa's and the lunch snacks they enjoy but I'm always curious to learn more!

Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: Kinderchick on August 21, 2010, 11:42
Beautiful photo of the Merlin/Kestral :-\, rcf. I have a difficult time making the distinction between the two. But I have no doubt that Dennis and eagle are correct. :)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 21, 2010, 13:18
First (bottom) photo is a female American Kestrel.

Second (middle) photo is adult male American Kestrelm

Third (top) photo is American Kestrel chowing down on something much smaller than a flicker.  The Northern Flicker is eastern population, formerly Yellow-shafted Flicker.  Yellow-shafted Flickers have flight feathers with yellow shafts, the western population is the Red-shafted for reasons that are probably easy to guess.  Easy way to spot - the black malar patch (look under the chin) is black in eastern birds, red in western bird.

Great photos!!
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 21, 2010, 13:18
Beautiful photo of the Merlin/Kestral :-\, rcf. I have a difficult time making the distinction between the two. But I have no doubt that Dennis and eagle are correct. :)

I think they are Kestrels.  I took a pic of the male today and you can see his colors.  I think they have a nest in the bush behind my house...they always seem to come and go from there.  I also watched one of them chase away a hawk.  :)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy320/Blondechik_2010/Merlin%202010/Kestrals/DSCN2030AA.jpg)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 21, 2010, 13:23
Beautiful photo of the Merlin/Kestral :-\, rcf. I have a difficult time making the distinction between the two. But I have no doubt that Dennis and eagle are correct. :)

Merlins, although they frequently have defined malar strips, Kestrels always have much more clearly defined ones - never seen one that wasn't picture perfect.  Also, both genders have horizontal barring across their back, merlins do not.  Also, kestrels are like peregrines, they range of variation is relatively small - males look like the photos of males, females look like the photos of females.  Merlins can range from almost as dark as peregrines to ghosty pale, some have malar stripes, some don't, etc.
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 21, 2010, 13:28
I've started to work on ID sheets and links for kestrels, merlins, peregrines, prairie falcons and gyrs, it will be one of my projects for this winter.  Since I would like to ensure that they contain useful information for folks trying to identify birds out their window or in their backyard, I would appreciate it if something in particular strikes you when you see a bird (for example, the head of an american kestrel is SO blue), please let me know.  I'll see if I can't add it to my experiences making "house calls" over the years.  Ideally, I want to have a double sided pdf page of information,photos, illustrations (including an easy scale guide) and links for more information.

Appreciate your help folks!
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 21, 2010, 13:46
Thanks for confirming the Kestrels identification, Tracy. They are very pretty birds.  :) :)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: Ellie on August 23, 2010, 22:14
The Kestrels sure are beautiful birds.  I get the Northern flickers in the park behind my house here in Charleswood.  About five years ago the park was just full of them but springtime now hosts only a very few. The Robins even have declined in numbers.  Crows and Bluejays are the problem I believe.  Wish I could just go out snooping like Dennis does......love looking and observing all birds.  Thanks RCF
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: RCF on August 24, 2010, 20:35
Thank you Tracy for renaming this topic.  :)
I think this is a juvenile Kestrel

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy320/Blondechik_2010/Merlin%202010/Kestrals/DSCN2049.jpg)
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: Kinderchick on August 24, 2010, 21:19
What a beauty, rcf! :D
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 02, 2010, 17:57
Thank you Tracy for renaming this topic.  :)
I think this is a juvenile Kestrel

You are welcome ...
Can't say if its a juvenile or not, definitely a male however ..
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: des on September 03, 2010, 10:31
Should be a great day for sightings! Sun and breeze after all that rain.
What's the advantage of the malar markings on the peregrines and kestrels?? 
Seems they might scare others away  - but if they were grabbing "you" it would be a little too late...
Title: Re: ID Help: American Kestrel
Post by: allikat on September 03, 2010, 23:29
There are quite a few Kestrels here in Regina.  I see them all the time!  You can actually spot them easily from their calls as well as the way they fly.  I am very lucky to see so many of them!  It's WONDERFUL!   ;D