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Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / Beau & Jules
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on February 18, 2012, 17:33
Since Jules is usually one of our first birds back, seems appropriate to start up this thread, especially since we are/have been experiencing unseasonably warm weather and we have almost no snow - who knows how fast the peregrines' prey may start working their way north again ... with the peregrines hot on their tailfeathers ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: susha on February 18, 2012, 21:39
  ;D  I think all of us Phanatics are on the same wave length!  Let the season begin!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 17, 2012, 21:19
Jules is home. 

Looks like she is the third peregrine spotted in Winnipeg but she is our first confirmed resident bird - we haven't been able to identify the downtown male is Ivy yet. 

Dennis and Wowzer got some great photos of her mangling and defeathering prey at the "Crow's Nest" north of the nestsite.

So the countdown timer has finally stopped for 2012.

Now we will have to wait for Beau to return to see if they will use the darn nestbox this year!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Saoirse on March 17, 2012, 21:35
Great news that SOMEONE is confirmed to be home! Fingers are crossed that Jules and Beau will cooperate when it comes time to choose a nest site.  ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: carly on March 18, 2012, 07:10
Wonderful to hear that Jules has made it home safe and sound  :-* :-* ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 18, 2012, 08:47
Happy Happy!!  Glad to hear Jules is home!   ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Doreen on March 18, 2012, 09:20
Welcome home Jules!!!!  :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Kinderchick on March 18, 2012, 10:24
Wonderful news, to hear that Jules is back! :D Have precautions been taken so that the WW PF's won't nest in the same place that they nested last year, TPC? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: dupre501 on March 18, 2012, 15:38
Looked like a peregrine on the NE corner of the diner at 2:20 pm. There was a different type of bird on the NW corner. Thought to myself, don't fly away yet other-birdie, or you'll be an afternoon snack.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 18, 2012, 17:07
When I looked at the picture of Jules Dennis sent via e-mail  it sure looked like she had a very full crop.........so she must be finding some good eats!  ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: allikat on March 18, 2012, 19:51
Wonderful news about Jules!!!  Now... Mr. Beau, c'mon, get your tailfeathers back, show us some leg, and get busy...oh yeah, in the "right" spot!!!   ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 19, 2012, 16:31
Confirmed as of 1637hrs, Jules has a companion at the Diner.  Don't know who it is but he was sitting in all the right places and Jules seemed pleased to see him.  The winds today have been great for long soaring fast flights and there were lots of loops around the Diner and (so far) no visits we have witnessed over the last couple of days to the Bleachers!  Yippeeee!!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 20, 2012, 19:34
The good news is that I haven't seen them on the Bleachers and today both birds hanging out at the Diner...Jules did do a fly-by and a couple of circles but didn't land...so that's my news for a Friday. Yep my week-end is starting so that would mean that me and Wowzer will be out to see if we can get some photos and band #'s  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 20, 2012, 19:37
For folks that new to the forum and for folks that have forgotten...this is the link to photos for the Peregrines 2012

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Kinderchick on March 20, 2012, 21:02
...Yep my week-end is starting so that would mean that me and Wowzer will be out to see if we can get some photos and band #'s  :-\
Well, there are many of us waiting, with baited breath, dennis. ;) :-*
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 21, 2012, 17:01
Beau isn't home yet, but we have been able to identify the "boy" hanging out in West Winnipeg with Jules.  Before we get there, they are both at the Diner and the Bleachers but they aren't really hanging out together it seems to me.  Now that could change tomorrow, but my sense is that she is playing a little hard to get, perhaps giving Beau a bit more time to return much as Princess did in 2009 (in that case, Ivy bugged her for a week or more before Trey returned and drove him off).  The next week will probably "tell".

So our WW boy is Smiley from the last wild-hatch from the nestbox on the Smiley Tower in Grand Forks in 2009 (the tower was demolished).  He is the son of Terminator (Brandon) and Roosevelt (Fargo).  Terminator's mom Holly and Roosevelt are siblings.

Looking through his family tree, it looks like I can get back to the original captive-birds whose young were released in locations across Canada and the US Midwest which is kinda cool.  Also, there is a bird in common on both the US and Canadian trees - MF-1 the resident female in Minneapolis - she turns out to be both his third and fourth great grandmother.  Kinda cool.

Next thing to look up is the geographic locations of his ancestors - know we have Manitoba, North Dakota and Minnesota but I think we have a couple of others in the mix as well ... more on that when I get it ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 21, 2012, 18:03
Thanks "Wowzer" and his operator  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 21, 2012, 18:04
Thanks "Wowzer" and his operator  :-\

Thank you, Thank you!!  :-*
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: irenekl on March 21, 2012, 18:08
Bless the wowzer and thank you to Dennis!!  I really appreciate what we can learn from you Dennis.  Otherwise the curiousity would be killing us!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Doreen on March 21, 2012, 18:10
Thanks "Wowzer" and his operator  :-\

Thank you Dennis and Wowzer.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: susha on March 21, 2012, 18:52
Yes, thanks Dennis and Wowzer!  And thanks TPC of course ;D

A new fella, eh?  Come on Beau...Come back and claim your territory.

Smiley can claim the HSC digs - I hear there are great eats!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 21, 2012, 19:45
Wowzer was good but his operator was great!  ;) :-*
500+ photos - guess what Dennis will be doing this evening  ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 21, 2012, 20:41
Question - Smiley has a sister Alice correct.  :-\   Would Alice be the same Alice that was at the Towers in Brandon with Zeus in 2011?   ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 21, 2012, 23:40
Question - Smiley has a sister Alice correct.  :-\   Would Alice be the same Alice that was at the Towers in Brandon with Zeus in 2011?   ???

Yes he would ... grandkids coming home :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 22, 2012, 07:25
Question - Smiley has a sister Alice correct.  :-\   Would Alice be the same Alice that was at the Towers in Brandon with Zeus in 2011?   ???

Yes he would ... grandkids coming home :)

Thank you. I thought so, but I wasn't sure and I knew you would know!   :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Kinderchick on March 22, 2012, 15:25
All in the family! 8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 24, 2012, 06:57
The galleries have been started and can be seen here
 http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: birdcamfan on March 24, 2012, 07:37
Thank you for generously sharing this Dennis.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: BigBird on March 24, 2012, 11:22
Saw 2 yesterday on IG Building... first I've seen this year...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: allikat on March 24, 2012, 20:13
Well, well, well....

Even if Beau isn't back, yet, this new man is quite the looker!!!  Good taste Jules!

C'mon Beau!  You're lady is waiting..., not for long though!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Jo on March 24, 2012, 20:33
Smiley from the last wild-hatch from the nestbox on the Smiley Tower in Grand Forks in 2009 (the tower was demolished).  He is the son of Terminator (Brandon) and Roosevelt (Fargo).  Terminator's mom Holly and Roosevelt are siblings.


Has Smiley had any ummm 'relationships' in the past that have been tracked?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: bccs on March 24, 2012, 23:08
Well, well, well....

Even if Beau isn't back, yet, this new man is quite the looker!!!  Good taste Jules!

C'mon Beau!  You're lady is waiting..., not for long though!
HMMMMM, perhaps she is following Ivy's behaviour and loving what is there??
Jules, we're with ya fine lady. ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: allikat on March 24, 2012, 23:15
Mr. Beau??  Oh, where art thou?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: bccs on March 24, 2012, 23:17
Mr. Beau??  Oh, where art thou?
Perhaps he is scouting out Ivy's territory?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: allikat on March 24, 2012, 23:19
Nah....he is just being that "typical" male. 

C'mon now Beau, don't be coy!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: bccs on March 24, 2012, 23:21
Nah....he is just being that "typical" male. 

C'mon now Beau, don't be coy!
Lately, the boys seem to seek a familial partner  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 25, 2012, 11:23
Smiley from the last wild-hatch from the nestbox on the Smiley Tower in Grand Forks in 2009 (the tower was demolished).  He is the son of Terminator (Brandon) and Roosevelt (Fargo).  Terminator's mom Holly and Roosevelt are siblings.


Has Smiley had any ummm 'relationships' in the past that have been tracked?

No record of any past relationships - but he is only three, so unlikely that he would have had any, usually peregrines are two+ when they find their first mate.  Not always, of course but mostly.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Moonstar on March 26, 2012, 14:41
Last evening I saw a bird sitting on one of the corner's of the building they nested on in 2010.  He/She sat there for quite a while.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 26, 2012, 15:55
Last evening I saw a bird sitting on one of the corner's of the building they nested on in 2010.  He/She sat there for quite a while.

Really?  Hmmm, the 2010 building is still off-limits because of construction/repairs but it is good to know they haven't forgotten their best location ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: msdolittle on March 26, 2012, 16:32
Last time I was by the building I didn't actually notice and construction.  Could they be done?  Or am I totally blind
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: GCG on March 27, 2012, 04:45
Last evening I saw a bird sitting on one of the corner's of the building they nested on in 2010.  He/She sat there for quite a while.

Really?  Hmmm, the 2010 building is still off-limits because of construction/repairs but it is good to know they haven't forgotten their best location ...

On Saturday close to 10:15 A.M., I was driving north on Kenaston approaching the St. James bridge. I saw a bird doing short circles. It landed on a light standard and sat tall and proud. As I drove under it, I certainly saw a peregrine.  ;D  Sadly I only glanced briefly, safety first. In agreement with msdolittle, I do not see any sign of construction at their 2010 site.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 27, 2012, 08:14
A few new photos added.

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 27, 2012, 11:28
Last time I was by the building I didn't actually notice and construction.  Could they be done?  Or am I totally blind

Last time I was there they still had the lift-stages hanging on two sides of the roof and the time before there were actually guys working in them (that is not a common sight!).  But I will have to take a run by today if I can in case they have managed to finish - last I heard from the building management company they thought the work would take another summer.

Will let you all know what I find out .... keep your fingers crossed!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 27, 2012, 12:15
Lone sad looking soaked bird sitting at the Diner at noon  :'( ...work stuff still all in place at the old nest site.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Moonstar on March 27, 2012, 12:17
When I saw the bird it was in the evening.  No one would have been working there at that time.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 27, 2012, 13:38
When I saw the bird it was in the evening.  No one would have been working there at that time.

Ahh, that might explain it - but its nice to know she hasn't forgotten about the site OR that Smiley likes the look of it ....
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: msdolittle on March 27, 2012, 14:17
Dang, too bad there is still working going on.  It would have been nice to have them nest somewhere safer.

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: allikat on March 27, 2012, 20:56
Any sightings of "ruffling the tail feathers" with Jules and Smiley?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 28, 2012, 07:24
Any sightings of "ruffling the tail feathers" with Jules and Smiley?

Only sightings of an individual bird - could be Smiley being ever-hopeful or Jules maintaining her hold on the territory.  The weather hasn't been conducive for up-close-and-personal courting behaviour (head-bowing etc at the nestsite) so maybe the infrequent sightings have been the courting aerial flights.  Having said that, from the behaviour we have seen, and others haver reported here, I suspect that Jules may be giving Beau some more time to return like Princess did in Trey in 2009.  We aren't getting close to the birds and the nestsites in this bad weather though - too much disturbance and its still early days yet in the nesting cycle so we can't report any new scrapes in the nestboxes yet.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 28, 2012, 10:07
Looked like Jules on the Bleachers this morning but no sign of her companion that I could see either at the Bleachers or the Diner ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: dupre501 on March 28, 2012, 14:47
I was driving by the bleachers late yesterday afternoon (5 o'clockish) while it was snowing/ice pellets and when I briefly looked up thought I saw a peregrine there. My young niece and nephew were in the car at the time and I was rushing to meet up with their mom, or I would have turned around and gone back for a better look. But I must have said something out loud, because my nephew was craning his head around trying to spot what I had seen.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Pam on March 28, 2012, 14:56
Went by this afternoon, no sightings.....
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 28, 2012, 17:34
After such a crappy Saturday (your Tuesday), Sunday (your Wednesday) brought some clear sunny skies and I thought that for sure I would be able to set-up and photograph the West Winnipeg pair....grrrrrrrrr  :'(
Found her mid-morning at the Bleachers then she was on the wing...no sign of her new friend. Perhaps he was out hunting or  ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 29, 2012, 18:07
Jules is misbehaving again and might actually be considering nesting in the same place as she did last year.  I say thinking about it because a) its a bit too early for actual nesting and b) because she won't get a chance to repeat her mistake again this year.  We have a plan and hopefully it will encourage her to nest elsewhere.  And no, it won't hurt her, but hopefully it will get her moving off to the nestbox.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Saoirse on March 29, 2012, 18:16
We have a plan and hopefully it will encourage her to nest elsewhere.

Any plan that avoids the difficulties of last year sounds like a good plan to me, TPC!  ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 29, 2012, 19:14
Two soggy birds seen late this afternoon in the rain and snow...one at the Bleachers  :-[ the other at the Diner.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 30, 2012, 06:56
New photos added   http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 30, 2012, 15:09
When by the Diner and the Bleachers early this morning, then a bit later and no sign of anyone anywhere on either ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: photosbydennis on March 30, 2012, 19:07
4:00 pm. finds Jules at the Bleachers and Smiley AWAL  ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 30, 2012, 19:08
4:00 pm. finds Jules at the Bleachers and Smiley AWAL  ???

Maybe he's going to come out to Brandon and visit his sister.  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 30, 2012, 19:09
4:00 pm. finds Jules at the Bleachers and Smiley AWAL  ???

Maybe he's going to come out to Brandon and visit his sister.  ;)

We've been through the brother-sister thing with Ivy and Lucy ... didn't go well ...  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on March 31, 2012, 13:21
Beau is home so we know what happened to Smiley - not so smiley in the end.  Don't think there was a territorial skirmish over Jules, she really wasn't much interested in Smiley.  She is definitely interested in Beau however  :o :-X  Dennis and I watched <non-PG13 behaviour> for a couple of hours today.  At last sighting the lovebirds were off on a long gliding courtship flight to the east/north-east of the Diner.  And yes, they both have been on the Diner which is a major accomplishment this year - they were on their usual corners, something we didn't see with Jules and Smiley.  The only times we saw Smiley and Jules together on a building together, she was one place he was about as far away from her as he could be without her taking off on him, which is something she seems to have done alot of.  So she really was waiting for her beau to come home, or rather waiting a little bit longer for him to come home.

Even though Beau is a fan of nestboxes and may well drag her back to nestbox #2 we are still going to exclude her from the 2011 nestsite so she doesn't get so much as a chance to nest there.  He's only just back so she not ready to drop eggs yet so we have a few more days before we start having to run to a deadline.

Good new though now that Beau is home!!  (And yes, Dennis and Wowzer did their thing  ;))
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Saoirse on March 31, 2012, 15:00
Great news -- wouldn't want to see Smiley hurt in a skirmish, but it's better to see Beau and Jules together.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: susha on March 31, 2012, 16:44
Welcome back Beau!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: Doreen on March 31, 2012, 16:58
Great news -- wouldn't want to see Smiley hurt in a skirmish, but it's better to see Beau and Jules together.

I agree!  Welcome home Beau!  ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: carly on March 31, 2012, 17:44
Welcome back Beau!

I'm very happy for Jules, her 'Beau' is home  :-* ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: RCF on March 31, 2012, 17:50
Great news!!  Welcome home Beau!  8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: irenekl on March 31, 2012, 21:51
 RE:   She is definitely interested in Beau however     Dennis and I watched <non-PG13 behaviour> for a couple of hours today.  At last sighting the lovebirds  . . . . . .



Hilarious!!  Thanks for the laugh :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / January - March
Post by: des on March 31, 2012, 22:19
A friend in Charleswood phoned be around 6:15 or so tonight. Said she saw what she was sure were 4 peregrines very high up and there was definitely a big chase going on.  She didn't get to see them that long.
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: susha on April 01, 2012, 09:26
I'm thrilled that these two are back together!  Clearly, Jules had her candle in the window, waiting for her Beau, and they're wasting no time ;)  Peregrine-style romancing, getting down and doing the dirty, that's how we like to see it (with Wowzer's assistance of course) ;D
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 01, 2012, 15:43
Jules and Beau are visiting all their usual haunts including the one site we don't want them "on".  Fortunately we are early on in the game and although he's only been back since Friday, Beau doesn't seem to want to spend any/much time with Jules at her favourite spot.

And (sorry missed this part) Smiley we believe is just fine - we are pretty sure we saw him at HSC this morning - the bands weren't as clear to read as we would have liked but we think it was him.  For more of our reasons why we think it was Smiley at HSC, check out the HSC thread ... 
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Kinderchick on April 01, 2012, 20:20
Wonderful news, to hear that Beau is back in town! :D
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 02, 2012, 17:08
More photos have been added to both the Radisson and West Winnipeg Galleries if interest prompts you.
 
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: RCF on April 02, 2012, 17:31
More photos have been added to both the Radisson and West Winnipeg Galleries if interest prompts you.
 
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012

Thanks Dennis, you always take great photos!  :)
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 03, 2012, 19:40
What nobody was out today looking skyward...nobody driving past cranking their neck out the window while stopped at the light/driving down Portage. I drove all the way back from Elie to only find Jules perched where she shouldn't be perched ???
And then a run down town to see one perched in the nest box after finding nothing at HSC.
So after I finished my coffee break it was back to work.
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: sami on April 03, 2012, 23:49
Sounds like a long coffee break. ;D Wish I'd had breaks like that when I worked!
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 04, 2012, 19:55
I felt real guilty about that extended coffee break...so I only took 1 today  :-[
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 04, 2012, 20:02
SHORT COFFEE break   ;)  finds "Spring is in The Air" at the Bleachers  :-[...then both seen at the "Diner"
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 05, 2012, 19:48
My contact with Smiley was very short ( March 21st ) for a couple hrs...perhaps our paths will cross again. During this short encounter we did build a friendship...friends share as you can see that Smiley is showing me just where the leftovers are if I was interested.

http://www.pbase.com/image/142515490

New photos have been added.
 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: RCF on April 05, 2012, 19:53
My contact with Smiley was very short ( March 21st ) for a couple hrs...perhaps our paths will cross again. During this short encounter we did build a friendship...friends share as you can see that Smiley is showing me just where the leftovers are if I was interested.

 ;D  I like how it looks like he's pointing to it. Here it is! ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 06, 2012, 09:06
New photos have been added to both the West Wpg and Radisson Galleries

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/radisson_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: susha on April 06, 2012, 12:21
My contact with Smiley was very short ( March 21st ) for a couple hrs...perhaps our paths will cross again. During this short encounter we did build a friendship...friends share as you can see that Smiley is showing me just where the leftovers are if I was interested.

 ;D  I like how it looks like he's pointing to it. Here it is! ;D

That's hilarious!  It totally looks like he's pointing to the yummy bits! :-X
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 06, 2012, 18:26
Good news for the West Wpg pair today...both seen at and in the location that we want them to be...Spring is in the Air...appears that the Tower, Bleachers, Diner are all favourite locations  :-[
They both stopped by the Bleachers for a short photo shoot...photos will be sent/loaded when processing is completed.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 07, 2012, 18:00
Spotted one falcon at the Bleachers at 3:00. Tucked farther back out of the wind.

When I checked back half hour later, no birdie to be seen.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 07, 2012, 18:07
Sure don't blame them for tucking in out of the wind today...9:00 ish found both birds at the Diner this morning.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 08, 2012, 15:39
Spotted one bird at the Bleachers again today, just before 3 p.m. This time she dropped down out of sight, where she should not be going. BAD BIRDIE! >:(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 08, 2012, 16:03
Spotted one bird at the Bleachers again today, just before 3 p.m. This time she dropped down out of sight, where she should not be going. BAD BIRDIE! >:(

Agree with you Dupre, bad birdie.  We are trying to get onsite to deter her from nesting there, but no luck so far.  We do know that she has been in the nestbox doing the "bow" with Beau, if only that were enough to get her to park her eggs there!!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 09, 2012, 13:05
New mantra...
Jules, eggs go in the scrape.
Beau will make you a nice scrape. Please use it.
Stay away from the cold hard cement.
Beau will make you a nice scrape.
Eggs go in the scrape.....
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Kinderchick on April 09, 2012, 15:05
LOL! Great mantra, dupre! 8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Cooper on April 10, 2012, 10:22
Dunno which building you folks refer to as the "diner" or the "bleachers" or the "tower", but I do know where the birds are (and have been).

Monday night 6:10 p.m. birdie on the northeast corner of "the building with the letters on it"!   :P

This morning at 7:45 both birdies on east side of same building, each parked on his/her own "O".  o_O
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 10, 2012, 11:05
Dunno which building you folks refer to as the "diner" or the "bleachers" or the "tower", but I do know where the birds are (and have been).

Monday night 6:10 p.m. birdie on the northeast corner of "the building with the letters on it"!   :P

This morning at 7:45 both birdies on east side of same building, each parked on his/her own "O".  o_O

That would be the Diner Cooper  ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Cooper on April 10, 2012, 11:12
Thanks TPC! By my super powers of deduction, now know the other two!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 10, 2012, 11:42
Thanks TPC! By my super powers of deduction, now know the other two!

That's sort of how it happens Cooper  ;) ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Kinderchick on April 10, 2012, 13:25
And do we want them to be nesting at "the Diner", TPC? :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 10, 2012, 14:00
And do we want them to be nesting at "the Diner", TPC? :-\

We want them in a proper nestbox on whatever building they like Kinderchick - we aren't that picky  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Kinderchick on April 10, 2012, 14:04
Well, I guess I thought that you had put up a nestbox at "the Diner" last year, TPC. I guess I was mistaken. :-[
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 10, 2012, 14:12
Well, I guess I thought that you had put up a nestbox at "the Diner" last year, TPC. I guess I was mistaken. :-[

We have a couple of nestsites in this territory Kinderchick and we don't identify any of them either by their nickname or actual location just for security sake.  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 11, 2012, 12:41
Yesterday evening at 7:10, two birds at the Bleachers.

This morning at 8:15, one at the Bleachers, one at the Diner.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 12, 2012, 15:11
Hi TPC,

Any problems with your non-broadcast spying eyes in WW? Since you said you were having problems with your cameras downtown, I was wondering if it was the same for the cameras in WW.

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 12, 2012, 15:26
Hi TPC,

Any problems with your non-broadcast spying eyes in WW? Since you said you were having problems with your cameras downtown, I was wondering if it was the same for the cameras in WW.

Because we don't know where she is going to nest, we don't hook up the computers to the cameras until after she's got eggs somewhere.  The cameras are installed and may need another quick clean so they are ready to go, but we have to wait for that first (or fourth) egg!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 13, 2012, 08:00
A few more photos have been added.
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Pam on April 13, 2012, 16:22
Saw a falcon at the Bleachers today.......thinking Beau, but not positive!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Pam on April 14, 2012, 16:11
And again today!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 14, 2012, 16:19
And again today!

Hopefully its just because she likes to sit in the sun there ...  :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 15, 2012, 08:22
A few more photos have been added.

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 16, 2012, 11:11
Yesterday evening, just before 8 p.m.:
My husband and I were in the area, he was driving, so we decided to check things out. Started at the diner and there was one falcon there. Yeah... I saw a falcon. Proceeded to the bleachers and spotted one there. Stopped to watch that one for a few minutes. Then the other one showed up. Two falcons at one location...yeah got to see both at same time. They were chupping at each other, but we had to continue where we were headed to. So as we were pulling away, there was a sudden flurry of wings, I'm whipping my head back to try to see what was going on. Canoodling, that's what was going on. But by the time my husband stopped, it was all over...but I still got to see more than I bargained for. ;D

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: susha on April 16, 2012, 11:30
Lucky you, Dupre! ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 16, 2012, 19:40
Wow...and I thought Canoodling was a made up word  :-[  I just call it (      )
See, never to old to learn.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: ballywing on April 16, 2012, 23:03
It's a good word, has a nice ring to it -  and they can Canoodle at the bleachers all they want but pleeeeeeeease do not lay the eggs there!!!  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 20, 2012, 20:01
Took another drive round WW today. At 6:00 p.m. there was one bird at the Bleachers. The bird was doing some preening and lifted their right leg to clean their talon. Spotted the red band so ... it was Beau. Decided to see if we could find Jules, found her at the Tower. At first she was sitting looking around, but then she dropped to the platform and started/continued working on her dinner.

About 7 p.m. we swung again and spotted both birds on the Diner, in their respective corners.

I'm glad I started carrying my binoculars in my purse ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Liz on April 20, 2012, 20:16
TPC, is it not possible to move the nestboxes to a place you feel is more suitable, maybe this autumn? 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 20, 2012, 20:59
I seem to recall TPC saying there are several nest boxes in WW.

The problem is whether the falcons choose to use them or not. Much like the years Trey and Princess chose the east ledge rather than the west nest box.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 20, 2012, 21:18
TPC, is it not possible to move the nestboxes to a place you feel is more suitable, maybe this autumn? 

That's exactly what we thought Liz!  And yes, we have boxes in suitable places and she knows about them, they have both been in them and both made scrapes in them but she wants what she wants.  We have been trying to gain access to prevent her from accessing the site at all, but no luck so far and I'm afraid but I think we may be out of time and we will just have to let them get on with laying eggs (if they haven't already started).
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: allikat on April 20, 2012, 21:25
Drat!  Jules is killling me.... ::)  Guess, she's doing that to all of us! 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Liz on April 21, 2012, 18:56
TPC, is it not possible to move the nestboxes to a place you feel is more suitable, maybe this autumn? 

That's exactly what we thought Liz!  And yes, we have boxes in suitable places and she knows about them, they have both been in them and both made scrapes in them but she wants what she wants. 
I guess I meant, take out the unsuitable ones.   ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 22, 2012, 16:54
Earth Day as mentionned on the Radisson thread was spent tending to our peregrine charges, but Beau and Jules were totally absent when we went to see them and it wasn't until we'd been by at least one more time that they were suddenly where they should be.  Both of them, so that means that Jules doesn't appear to be incubating yet.  Tried to access a camera we left hooked up "just in case" (its always "just in case" with these two  ::)) but we had all but one piece of technical wizardry, no fault of Eye-Spy's however, Dennis and I hadn't recalled all the things we did during take-down last fall, so. we'll have to make another trip at some point to see if/what we can see.

Dennis did get some very pretty shots of the two of them together though ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: allikat on April 22, 2012, 22:15
I'm pretty sure the project is trying to remove all the unsuitable nests.....it's this darn Jules!  She's a little bit of a "bird"..... She, Jules, cetainly loves the "attention". 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: bccs on April 24, 2012, 21:27
I had an appointment in west Winnipeg today and managed to swing buy the bleachers and the diner. No sign of birdies at either location.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: allikat on April 24, 2012, 21:37
Hope your appointment went well....too bad you didn't manage to see any birdies.....
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: bccs on April 24, 2012, 21:45
Thanks Alli, maybe tomorrow , another appointment then, we'll see ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: photosbydennis on April 25, 2012, 09:24
A few more photos have been added.
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: SusanE on April 25, 2012, 10:00
Your photos are always awesome, Dennis, but I particularly like photo #120.   :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: susha on April 25, 2012, 18:26
It would've been around 4:45 or thereabouts, while heading east on Portage, I spied a bird on a letter of the building I'm thinking might be the diner.  While I waited at the light, he/she flew to another letter.  Do we know if Jules has laid any eggs, TPC?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 25, 2012, 20:07
It would've been around 4:45 or thereabouts, while heading east on Portage, I spied a bird on a letter of the building I'm thinking might be the diner.  While I waited at the light, he/she flew to another letter.  Do we know if Jules has laid any eggs, TPC?

We don't know for sure yet, but we suspect that she perhaps began incubating Monday/Tuesday based on her behaviour.  We hope to get a peek at her nesting location via camera shortly ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Saoirse on April 25, 2012, 20:18
TPC, do you know where they chose to nest? Not asking where it is, just wondering if you're satisfied with this year's choice!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on April 25, 2012, 20:25
TPC, do you know where they chose to nest? Not asking where it is, just wondering if you're satisfied with this year's choice! 

Until I see the eggs I can't be sure, but I suspect they have nested in the evil spot.  Fortunately, I left some help in the evil spot in case I had difficulty accessing the location.  Thought I was being overly obsessive but seems to have been the right decision.

Hope that helps, Saoirse  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: Saoirse on April 26, 2012, 17:39
That's all I wanted to know, TPC -- and I'm sorry they seem to have chosen the evil spot -- but just goes to show that being overly obsessive isn't a bad thing!  ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: dupre501 on April 27, 2012, 09:03
Last night took a drive around the WW area. Only saw one bird, but he/she kept us hopping by switching between the diner and the bleachers several times. Nice to see the soaring though.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / April
Post by: ballywing on April 27, 2012, 20:33
TPC, do you know where they chose to nest? Not asking where it is, just wondering if you're satisfied with this year's choice! 

Until I see the eggs I can't be sure, but I suspect they have nested in the evil spot. 
Noooooooooooo!!!!! -   :( Argh .....how frustrating!!!!!!   >:(
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 01, 2012, 20:59
Update on Jules and Beau ... yes, looks like they were a bit faster than Hurricane and Brooklyn and have already begun incubating eggs.  We don't know how many yet, but we hope to soon.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: allikat on May 01, 2012, 22:28
Jules...you little "raptor" you!!!   ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Moonstar on May 02, 2012, 10:20
I am assuming the eggs were laid in the bad spot and not in one of the boxes provided?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 02, 2012, 11:31
I am assuming the eggs were laid in the bad spot and not in one of the boxes provided?

Yup, 'fraid so.  However, she is in a tuppernest so that should help reduce egg loss and early chick mortality.
We were able to confirm as of this morning that she is on 4 eggs (thank you Dennis & Eye-Spy).  Best estimate on hatch will be last week in May.  We hope to be able to improve the camera angles in the next couple of weeks, at the moment she is quite a distance away from one camera and out of the frame on the other.  With better angles we should actually be able to see the hatching this year.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 02, 2012, 18:29
Eye-Spy did all the early morning work  :-[ ...thanks.
...I just got to watch and report that the West Winnipeg Birds had 4 eggs  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: RCF on May 02, 2012, 20:12
There must be something Jules likes at that site for her to lay eggs the second year in a row.  ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Kinderchick on May 02, 2012, 21:10
I am assuming the eggs were laid in the bad spot and not in one of the boxes provided?

Yup, 'fraid so.  However, she is in a tuppernest so that should help reduce egg loss and early chick mortality...
Great about the 4 eggs but really too bad about the location. :(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 04, 2012, 20:23
New photos have been added   http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 06, 2012, 09:05
A warm sunny day Saturday found Beau perched on the railing at the Bleachers in the pm....he was also spotted earlier in the morning at the Diner glowing in the bright sun...and yes photos from the day will be sent out and loaded.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 06, 2012, 15:18
At 2:30 there was one peregrine at the tower :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 11, 2012, 20:33
New photos have been added to both the Radisson and West Winnipeg Galleries...http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/peregrines_2012

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 12, 2012, 18:48
1845h
Jules is parked on her eggs at the moment and all looks calm and secure.  Actually both birds seem a bit calmer at this point in their incubation than last year which is a small mercy.  It also helps that their eggs are safe this year from getting damaged during incubation.  With luck, all four eggs will hatch out safely this year.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Kinderchick on May 12, 2012, 20:57
So glad you were able to install a "tuppernest" for these guys, TPC. :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: pmg on May 12, 2012, 21:09
yes, good to hear that you have been able to help.  I see them when we are driving our grand daughter to her soccer practices...at the 'diner'. No idea where the nest site is but hope for the best :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 13, 2012, 11:17
Here is a falcon at the Diner on Thursday
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0235.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 13, 2012, 11:31
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0257-2.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0258-2.jpg)

4 o'clock dinner at the Diner - yesterday
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 16, 2012, 06:53
A few new photos have been added.

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Moonstar on May 16, 2012, 14:44
A few new photos have been added.

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012

Can't even check out your photos at work Dennis.
Can't even see the ones posted in the forum.  Just a white square where the photo should be.
Damn IT dept.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Cooper on May 19, 2012, 09:56
Birdie at the diner at 8:50 a.m., sitting on the "p". P for pouring rain! But didn't seem to mind.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 19, 2012, 10:53
Glad Cooper posted here, reminded me that I hadn't posted on Jules & Beau in the rain last night ... they were fine.  Eggs not chicks so no worries there and she was on the nest and when I went past (the cam just looks at the nest, no where else), he was parked about 6 feet away from her way under cover, so I'm not sure but I think neither one of them got wet last night.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Kinderchick on May 19, 2012, 12:18
Good to hear, TPC! :) I was actually wondering if they have any overhead covering to protect them from the rain at this nestsite.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 20, 2012, 17:43
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0325-2.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0324-2.jpg)

Today at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: RCF on May 20, 2012, 18:12
Wow!!  Those are great pictures, dupre!!   8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: bccs on May 21, 2012, 08:03
Nice pictures Dupre.
I saw him at the same location about 10:30 yesterday morning.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Kinderchick on May 21, 2012, 09:48
You must have a great camera, dupre, with a nice zoom. Those are great photos! :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 21, 2012, 11:49
Thanks!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 25, 2012, 09:35
Looks like Beau is on the night shift these days.  Took until 0900h this morning for Jules to come back and relieve him - he'd been on since way before 0500h and perhaps all night but I'll have to go back and check for outlines of incoming birds to be sure.  Very much a change from last year when he only came to the nestsite in the wee dark hours and then Jules would only let him stay for a couple of hours before she would take over again.  Still eggs at this site, but probably not for much longer.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Pam on May 25, 2012, 16:07
Nice captures, Dupres!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: birdcamfan on May 25, 2012, 18:13
Looks like Beau is on the night shift these days.  Took until 0900h this morning for Jules to come back and relieve him - he'd been on since way before 0500h and perhaps all night but I'll have to go back and check for outlines of incoming birds to be sure.  Very much a change from last year when he only came to the nestsite in the wee dark hours and then Jules would only let him stay for a couple of hours before she would take over again.  Still eggs at this site, but probably not for much longer.
Someone was sitting on the corner of the diner at just after 6 this morning. I guess from this it was Jules.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 25, 2012, 20:56
This evening I spotted Beau and caught a few shots just before he flew off. These are at the limits of my camera's capabilities.
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0379.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0384.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: birdcamfan on May 25, 2012, 21:49
Your camera seems quite capable..nice shots.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 28, 2012, 12:49
Camera angle isn't great (nest isn't in the same spot as last year so only one of two of the cameras can see the box and its at a great distance away) and neither is the lighting but I think perhaps we had our first hatch here in the last hour/hour and a half.  Jules isn't moving off the nest which isn't a surprise given its cool and still damp and no food has come in, if there is a hatch, I don't expect any for a couple of hours, chicks need a bit of rest after working so hard. When I do get a look will let folks know what I do or don't see..
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: dupre501 on May 28, 2012, 12:52
Thanks TPC! Fingers crossed :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: photosbydennis on May 28, 2012, 14:31
That a girl Jules  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 28, 2012, 15:13
Yup, at least one chick hatched as of about mid-day today.  Going to have to go through the recording slowly to get a more accurate time but it was between 1200 and 1300 it looks like right now.  Jules still hasn't gotten off the chick(s) yet and no meals yet, when either of those events happens, hopefully we'll get a clearer look (no parental obstacle) and perhaps a better count.  Or we might have to wait until they are a bit bigger or its a bit brighter/sunnier ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: RCF on May 28, 2012, 16:59
Good news!  8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 28, 2012, 17:08
1701h
Just got our best look so far of the chick/chicks.  I suspect that its just one, seems like an awfully small ball of white fuzz to be more than one.  The light truly sucks now and it's not going to get any better before the sun sets today.  Tuesday afternoon is suppose to clear up so hopefully that will make it easier tomorrow.  At least we know that we have chicks hatching, now it will be a case of will they all hatch, then will they all make it past 10 days and then well, you know the routine  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: bcbird on May 28, 2012, 17:52
How exciting!
Thank you for keeping us up to date, TPC.
Would this nestsite location allow for banding?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Jo on May 28, 2012, 18:10
Congratulations Jules & Beau!

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: susha on May 28, 2012, 18:36
Yay!!  Second batch of Manitoba kids...on the way!!  Fingers are crossed for successful hatching of all four eggs :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Jan on May 28, 2012, 19:44
Great news!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Kinderchick on May 28, 2012, 20:11
Yup, at least one chick hatched as of about mid-day today...  
That's great news! :D Are they at least in a location that would give them a bit of shelter in inclement weather, TPC? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 28, 2012, 23:45
Yup, at least one chick hatched as of about mid-day today...  
That's great news! :D Are they at least in a location that would give them a bit of shelter in inclement weather, TPC? ???

Shelter isn't too made at this stage of the game though a driving rain will get them as wet as the Brandon birds because of the angles and openings ... There is some shade from the sun which isn't bad ... if we get sun again ... ever ...  :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 29, 2012, 09:08
Chick number two hatched over night (definitely pre-dawn).  Hard to tell if a third chick hatched as well as the chicks are using the egg-siblings to sprawl on already and of course, our camera angles are poor at this site.  Saw a meal this morning that was short but seemed to go well - not a great view as Jules mostly had her back to the only camera that can actually see the nestbox in its current location.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Moonstar on May 29, 2012, 10:02
When you band the chicks here will you move them to a better location?
Last year you moved the one chick but I can't remember if this was the location it hatched in.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 29, 2012, 10:39
When you band the chicks here will you move them to a better location?
Last year you moved the one chick but I can't remember if this was the location it hatched in.

The plan is to move them again for their safety as they get bigger and more adventurous/independent/active after banding age.  Hopefully all goes well until then!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 29, 2012, 13:19
Caught a couple of meals so far today and it does look just like two chicks so far ...
Thought Jules was going to give herself a hernia with one meal, it was huge!  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 30, 2012, 09:05
Looks like we had another hatch at 0721h this morning.  Looks like there are three here but it could be four - they are so small (not smaller than any of our others) and like all young/small chicks they are piled in on one another so hard to tell one from another, particular with our current camera angles.  Right now, Jules is off the nest and the chicks had a bit of a squirm and protest and have now collapsed into a chickpile ... oops, Mom's back and everyone is shuggled back underneath.  This site is in pretty deep shade at this time of the morning, so its typical not to see the chicks until it warms/brightens up a bit.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: Jo on May 30, 2012, 21:59
Caught a couple of meals so far today and it does look just like two chicks so far ...
Thought Jules was going to give herself a hernia with one meal, it was huge!  :o

Maybe she's a Costco shopper  :o

Thank you for the updates ..... . looking forward to hearing the final chick count.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: moka on May 31, 2012, 08:43


Maybe she's a Costco shopper  :o

Thank you for the updates ..... . looking forward to hearing the final chick count.


Love it! Good one. ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on May 31, 2012, 09:07
Still can't tell if all the eggs have hatched but I'm going to think perhaps they might have by this morning, just seems like it is all fluff today.  I'm hoping to maybe get a closer look in the next few days but its a tough location to access so we'll have to wait and see.  If I can get to the nest, I'll see if I can tweak camera angles a bit.  Keep your fingers crossed
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / May
Post by: allikat on May 31, 2012, 22:52
I'm extremely happy for these two, even though, they nested in that darned place....geez!!!
All we can do is wish them well and hope for the best! 
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: moka on June 01, 2012, 11:28
I'm extremely happy for these two, even though, they nested in that darned place....geez!!!
All we can do is wish them well and hope for the best! 

I agree, too bad they won't take one of the condos built for them. :-\
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: bccs on June 03, 2012, 22:22
So very sad that she chose this nest site again.
There was talk of boarding up the nest ledge on the east side of the Radisson a few years ago. We were told that interfering with a nest site was prohibited by law.
Is moving the chicks not considered interfering with a nest site?
Just wondering.
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 03, 2012, 23:40
So very sad that she chose this nest site again.
There was talk of boarding up the nest ledge on the east side of the Radisson a few years ago. We were told that interfering with a nest site was prohibited by law.
Is moving the chicks not considered interfering with a nest site?
Just wondering.

Interfering with a nestsite generally means damaging or eliminating the option of nesting at a historic site.  Outside of urban environments, there are great pains taken to prevent this - think of all the trails along the east coast that are closed to hikers/climbers during the nesting season.  In urban areas, when birds show an interest and/or a nestbox is installed and the birds use it, projects like ours try to ensure that the building owners/managers understand what it means so that there aren't problems in the future.  Doesn't always work though - think of the Kodak building last year (or was that the year before?).  Sometimes the sites are lost permanently, hopefully just short-term as we hope will be the case with the WW birds 2010 nestsite.  Sometimes the birds move themselves and after a few years, the site isn't considered "historic" and therefore not so vital for the project's efforts.  The University site was like - after T-Rex moved, no one has spent any time there even when there was a nestbox.  The ledge on the east side of the Radisson can't be modified without requiring as much access/maintenance as the putting a nest box - and it would be just as dangerous for pedestrians, traffic and buildings nearby.  We would like them to not nest on this site but we don't want to interfere with the ledge for all its other purposes - pair bonding, site defense, courting, meals, etc.  Its just the nesting we would prefer they did elsewhere, but if they insist, then it is their choice.

Here in Winnipeg, we like to keep nestsites that are working and watch the birds to find others we think might work.  Cowboy's and Kate's site last year wasn't a successful site either.  Neither was one site at the U of M or the one at the Hotel Fort Garry.  The Basilica site was one we wouldn't have encouraged either if Burnsie had returned again.  The Brandon Tower site has real potential, so despite a bad year last year, we are hopeful.  We have hopes for some new sites we are working on, but time will tell if any peregrines think they are as appealing and can be successful at these sites.

This year's WW site is a site that isn't considered a successful site - we have lost 9 out of 11 eggs during incubation and 1 after hatching that had suffered so much trauma during incubation, it didn't have a chance to survive.  Given a number of security issues and grave concerns for chick safety as they get older and particularly at fledging time, moving the chicks in this case is considered in the best interest of the all the peregrines - adults and chicks - at this site.  We did in fact have plans in place to prevent Jules from nesting at this location but we couldn't get access before she be began laying - yet another security concern.  Eggs are removed from nestsites if there are problems and suitable facilities are available to incubate safely.  More common (a number of times in the last couple of years in Alberta as examples) chicks/fledglings are moved to new locations - sometimes hundreds of kilometres away - when the situation at their nestsite is deemed detrimental to their health, development or safety.  This is the same thing, we just aren't moving them to a captive-breeding/rehab facility or into the nest of unrelated peregrines.

Hope that answers your question ...
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: moka on June 04, 2012, 09:02
Thank you for all that. You are a walking encyclopedia of Peregrinuia.
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Moonstar on June 04, 2012, 10:07
Can't something be done with the undesirable  spot to make it not desirable for them to pick? 
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 04, 2012, 12:21
Can't something be done with the undesirable  spot to make it not desirable for them to pick? 


We did in fact have plans in place to prevent Jules from nesting at this location but we couldn't get access before she be began laying - yet another security concern. 

 ;)
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: dupre501 on June 04, 2012, 12:59
When Jules nested here before, there was technically no scrape, she was just pigheaded enough(no scratch that), stubborn enough(scratch that one too), DETERMINED to nest here.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Moonstar on June 04, 2012, 14:39
When Jules nested here before, there was technically no scrape, she was just pigheaded enough(no scratch that), stubborn enough(scratch that one too), DETERMINED to nest here.

love your comments.   :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: bccs on June 05, 2012, 05:03
"Hope that answers your question ..."

Yes it does, thanks.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: birdcamfan on June 05, 2012, 06:03
Thank you for all that. You are a walking encyclopedia of Peregrinuia.
Yet another word for the famous dictionary!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Cathy179 on June 07, 2012, 06:45
Is there any kind of update as to what is happening with this nest/nestsite?  I may have missed something but just wondering.  It has been alot of fun following the Raddison and Brandon sites but little has been posted about this one, perhaps due to the ned to keep the location secure and undisturbed.  Cathy
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 07, 2012, 10:51
Is there any kind of update as to what is happening with this nest/nestsite?  I may have missed something but just wondering.  It has been alot of fun following the Raddison and Brandon sites but little has been posted about this one, perhaps due to the ned to keep the location secure and undisturbed.  Cathy

Not much news but so far it is all good from what we can see.  The chicks have hatched, we know three for sure, but we have to wait until they are a wee bit bigger to confirm that the fourth has hatched as well because of the camera/lighting angles.  When the chicks are banding age, we are planning to move them to a safer location like we did last year.  Until then, we are just watching and waiting.  And if something does happen (knock on wood it doesn't) then we will post it here.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Cathy179 on June 07, 2012, 14:16
Thank you so much for the update, Tracy!!!  I was so afraid I had missed some catastrophe!  It is wonderful to know that all three Manitoba publicly monitored sites are doing so well, and one of the besttimes of my day is when I check in on them! 

Cathy :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: photosbydennis on June 07, 2012, 17:41
Well it's that time of year, the first Peregrine chicks have been banded and we have 2 more nest site to band...which means that you will be receiving a number of Peregrine photos over the summer mixed with Osprey just for a change...along with anything else that fly's.

Each location provides a different set-up for photographing...and each pair react differently when you enter their nesting area. As all birds appear to look the same until you have a close look...each bird has identifying marks and call.
This is now the fun part of the year...hope you enjoy.

Anyone wishing to be added to my photo list can email me...it's just that simple.

Cheers !
Dennis
ps. it's also fun prepping frozen nest boxes and removing meal remains from the season before in March...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: susha on June 07, 2012, 20:27
Thank you so much for the update, Tracy!!!  I was so afraid I had missed some catastrophe!  It is wonderful to know that all three Manitoba publicly monitored sites are doing so well, and one of the besttimes of my day is when I check in on them! 

Cathy :)

I'm with you Cathy - best part of my day as well!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: des on June 07, 2012, 21:02
That and don't forget to be signed on with Dennis so that wonderful photos arrive as emails!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Jo on June 07, 2012, 21:33
Yay on the chick news!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 09, 2012, 21:59
2157h
We lost the signal from the modem early today so can't tell you what is happening at this location.  The nest here is oriented the same as the Radisson and has much more "stuff" around it so they might get wet (they don't have a roof like the Radisson site but they do have cover).  Chicks are under ten days old, so Jules should be velcroed to them so long as its raining.

Probably won't get the cam back online until at least Monday.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Kinderchick on June 10, 2012, 13:26
Sure do hope the chicks are okay, after last night's rain & hail storm here in Winnipeg.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: maryann on June 10, 2012, 20:23
I had the privilege of watching an in flight kill last Friday and the resulting shower of feathers! A tenant of the building mentioned the 'taking' of the chicks last year and I couldn't understand why until I read Tracy's post. Makes a lot of sense for that locale.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Leana on June 11, 2012, 21:43
Any update on these guys TPC?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 11, 2012, 23:29
Any update on these guys TPC?
Dennis managed to get our cam back on line today!

Looks like there are three chicks at this site - not sure if there have always been three or if one chick died awhile ago because there is no sign of a body anywhere.  Why now?  The chicks are finally old enough that they lie down separately and move a bit around the box so we can actually see bodies as opposed on one amorphous white pile which is what we have been seeing up until now.  Unfortunately the only camera we can see them on is the wide-angle camera and the nest is even further away from the camera than it was last year.  This camera has always given us less detail, now the detail is even less.  We were pretty sure we saw four eggs and when the chicks hatched, we couldn't see any eggs (and usually you do at some point) and the weather for them right after hatching was warm/hot so both Jules and Beau spent a fair time with the chicks but not on them during the first few days and still we couldn't see a fourth egg.  Not long until we band these guys though we don't have a confirmed date yet.  And that's about all the new news there is.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: photosbydennis on June 13, 2012, 20:28
Mom or Dad sitting on the rail, can't tell with the light. The three chicks roaming around in the box...after few more day's there won't be much room...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 14, 2012, 08:58
Mom or Dad sitting on the rail, can't tell with the light. The three chicks roaming around in the box...after few more day's there won't be much room...

I was checking this family this morning and managed to get a good look (relatively speaking) of the three chicks - one is smaller (smaller but not younger) than the others, not dangerously so at this stage of their development (they are 2+ weeks old) just noticeably smaller.  Could be that we have at least one male and one female here.  Jules and Beau don't produce small females like Princess and Trey did, so the chicks may just be close enough to banding that the size differences are starting to be noticeable even at a distance and in less than optimal lighting (I really wish these birds were nesting a bit closer to the cameras *sigh*).
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: bev. on June 14, 2012, 10:32
We need an enforcer there to talk to these parents  ;D ;D

hope all is well with third chick
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 14, 2012, 11:03
We need an enforcer there to talk to these parents  ;D ;D

hope all is well with third chick

Third chicks looks fine and perfectly spunky - doesn't seem to be lagging behind its sibs so far but I'm keeping an eye on him/her.  Just smaller.  Or maybe the others are bigger.  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Moonstar on June 14, 2012, 14:35
Wasn't Mistral a lot smaller than her siblings.  Can't remember if she was still smaller than her sibllings at fledge time tho. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 14, 2012, 14:39
Wasn't Mistral a lot smaller than her siblings.  Can't remember if she was still smaller than her sibllings at fledge time tho. 

Mistral was smaller than her siblings right up until fledging at which point she was pretty much the same size - we were all hard pressed to tell them apart once they were up and flying.  We thought we had 3 males and 1 female (Mistral) when in fact we know we had at least 3 females (Mistral, Hurricane & Taku).  Chinook could have been a female as well, but we have had no reports of him/her since fledging so can't confirm his/her gender ... yet.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: susha on June 14, 2012, 18:12
We need some more girls in Winnipeg, so I vote for two girls and one boy ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Leana on June 16, 2012, 18:27
I was out for dinner tonight with my husband and kids.  As we left the restaurant and were walking to the car I looked up at the sky, towards the building of the "evil" nesting spot, not really expecting to see anything.  But I got a lovely surprise!  Somebirdie (and my guess, by size, is that it was Beau) did a fly by and landed on one of the railings.  My husband, who saw said bird at the same time as me, said "is that?" and I replied (with much excitement) "I think so!" .  We walked to where we had a view of the  rail he landed on and sure enough, it was definitely a falcon.  Sure am kicking myself for not having binoculars in the car!

What an unexpected treat!  ;D  I would have hung around to watch longer but the kids were impatient to get home...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: birdcamfan on June 17, 2012, 14:02
Lucky for you and your family! You must have trained your eye to notice these things, most people wouldn't.
A couple of weeks ago I was coming north on Pembina just before the Jubilee overpass and something caught my eye. Sure enough it was a PF coming from the fields just west of there. It then circled back towards downtown. It's funny how you pick up that difference in flight characteristics after seeing them a few times.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Kinderchick on June 17, 2012, 14:40
Yes, it is interesting, bcf. I was driving east down Portage Ave. in the late afternoon this past Friday and sure enough, the distinctive flight characteristics of a PF, circling around a few times.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 21, 2012, 08:21
Finally the chicks have left the tuppernest - took them three weeks to do it!  Nice thing about this is that at the moment they are in front of camera number 2 which gives us our best picture of them so far this year - three chicks looking plump and healthy!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Moonstar on June 21, 2012, 09:50
Good to hear that you can get a better look at the chicks.  When will the banding take place here?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 21, 2012, 10:25
Good to hear that you can get a better look at the chicks.  When will the banding take place here?

Not positive, access is still a bit of a problem.  Hopefully in the next week, but because of the location, we can probably do it the week after without danger to the chicks, so we have a bit of leeway.  Fortunately.   :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Kinderchick on June 21, 2012, 13:48
Finally the chicks have left the tuppernest - took them three weeks to do it!  Nice thing about this is that at the moment they are in front of camera number 2 which gives us our best picture of them so far this year - three chicks looking plump and healthy!
So nice to hear that they all seem to be doing well! :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: dupre501 on June 23, 2012, 18:00
Took a trip past the West Winnipeg nest. I believe that it was Jules sitting watching over the chicks. At one point you could hear a bunch of kacking going on, but it wasn't Jules. She looked down where the chicks are, then took flight, circled once and landed back at her spot.

Maybe it's just timing, but I haven't seen any birdie at the Diner recently. Here is a picture of Jules which I took over a week ago.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0394.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 23, 2012, 18:29
We had hoped to get to the chicks this weekend to band them but we have hit a bit of a snafu. 
We will let you know what happens.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: GCG on June 24, 2012, 10:24
We had hoped to get to the chicks this weekend to band them but we have hit a bit of a snafu. 
We will let you know what happens.

With all due respect, please define the snafu.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 24, 2012, 10:33
We had hoped to get to the chicks this weekend to band them but we have hit a bit of a snafu. 
We will let you know what happens.

With all due respect, please define the snafu.

It's an military acronym which I shall translate as "situation normal: all fouled up".   ;)

Access is a problem at this site - that's the fouled up normal situation I'm afraid.  Last week we were unable to get access on the day we had planned for.  We feel we have abit more leeway to safely band the chicks here because of the location at the nestsite, but not much, so we are going to keep trying to get access, hopefully in the next 7 days.

Hope that helps ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: GCG on June 26, 2012, 13:47
Have the chicks been banded? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 26, 2012, 13:49
Have the chicks been banded? ???

Nope, not yet. We'll get though.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: dupre501 on June 27, 2012, 20:24
Took a tour in the West Winnipeg area, spotted Jules at the Diner. Here are a few shots. The light really shows off the salmon coloured breast.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0693.jpg)(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0711.jpg)

Just after taking these pictures, Jules took off from the Diner. She headed to the nest.

Took a drive around looking for Beau, but did not see him. When we swung by the nest again, Jules was circling and not very happy with the goings on in the area. After a few minutes and a dozen circles she returned to her usual perch. That's when I spotted one of the chicks on the "nest ledge". WOW, not so white.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: RCF on June 27, 2012, 20:45
Thanks dupre, it's great to see them with your own eyes and not just on the camera.  ;)  8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: bcbird on June 27, 2012, 20:53
Took a tour in the West Winnipeg area, spotted Jules at the Diner.

After a few minutes and a dozen circles she returned to her usual perch. That's when I spotted one of the chicks on the "nest ledge". WOW, not so white.

That must have been thrilling to finally see the chicks!  Thanks for the report, dupre.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: dupre501 on June 27, 2012, 21:18
Yes RCF, it is very thrilling to see them with your very own eyes. Now I know how you feel :D :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Leana on June 27, 2012, 22:31
Nice pictures Dupre.  But are the chicks old enough to be up on a visible ledge?  I thought they were about the same age as the Brandon chicks!  Hmmm... maybe they are a bit older?  But still, on a ledge already?  Yikes!  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 27, 2012, 22:36
Nice pictures Dupre.  But are the chicks old enough to be up on a visible ledge?  I thought they were about the same age as the Brandon chicks!  Hmmm... maybe they are a bit older?  But still, on a ledge already?  Yikes!  :o

The chicks at this site are much safer than the Brandon chicks, the ledge is very large and there is a barrier to them getting close to the edge of their nestsite.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Leana on June 27, 2012, 22:55
Whew, good to hear.  I was thinking that if they are up on a ledge how can you still band them since they would jump off!  So this ledge is visible from the street?  I just can't picture it...  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: Moonstar on June 30, 2012, 07:15
TPC any word on when you will band these chicks or if you will be able to.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / June
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on June 30, 2012, 07:47
TPC any word on when you will band these chicks or if you will be able to.

Nope.  I suspect when (if) I do get access it won't be with much forewarning, it will be a scoop-and-run kind of thing ...
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pam on July 03, 2012, 15:39
Saw one bird at the Bleachers early this afternoon....from the size, I'd guess Jules, but I have been known to be wrong before!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 04, 2012, 11:29
The bird at the Bleachers is Jules and she is not happy with us (the Project).  We stole her kids late last evening and she won't be getting them back I'm afraid.  We finally got access to the nestsite on Tuesday and we had to make some big decisions and make lots of arrangments within hours.  Fortunately we pulled it off and the ball got rolling.

As of today, the WW chicks are 35-37 days old (they hatched on separate days) and because they are on the verge of fledging we were concerned that moving them to the same building as last year at this late date would stress them sufficiently that they would try to fledge too early which at this location is much much too dangerous.  Both buildings are surrounded by heavily-used, multi-lane roads and while building 2 is safer than the nestsite. 

Moving chicks is not something one just does though - they need to be old enough to handle the move banding age is a good milestone - younger than that they need to have care of some sort, foster parents or the care of a professional rehabber.  Banding age is good because the chicks aren't anywhere close to thinking about flying and their parents are still very attentive so the chicks get used to the location and their parents' presence - basically they imprint on the new location as "home" and their fledging travels bring them back there.  Older than banding age and you lose the time for them to imprint before they fledge.  When we used to hack release chicks, we would get them just before fledging and we would hold them at the site for 10+ days to again, get them to imprint, but because they can fly at this age, you actually have to hold them in a hack box so they can't fly away before they have got their bearings.  Because hack birds don't have parents to provide for them, imprinting is essential because they need to know to return to the hack site for food until they learn to hunt (which is hardwired).

The WW chicks (looks like 2 females and 1 male) are at fledging age so perhaps too old to have enough time to imprint on building 2 before taking their first flights.  So, I decided to take advantage of an opportunity to hack release them at an empty hack site just outside of the City.  They will be kept together and we will be making sure they imprint on their location before heading out and we are importing food from Ontario so that we can be sure they have what they need for as long as 6 weeks - usually doesn't take that long for the chicks to start hunting on their own, but we want to give them all the time they want. 

Not my first choice for these three, but given our problems preventing them from nesting and then accessing them at banding age, one we believe will give them a better chance and reduce their risk of hatch-year mortality. 

And for reference - all of the peregrines in North America are descendents of hack-released birds - remember the anatum species was virtually extirpated - any wild-hatched birds did not contribute significantly to the species' recovery north or south of the border.  Their father, Beau, is also a hack-released bird and likely Jules is as well.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 04, 2012, 11:52
Oh WOW.  How sad... I think?  Sad for Jules and Beau at least, but ultimately good for the chicks.  It is just terribly sad they had to nest somewhere that you don't have ready access to.  If only you could block up that nest site altogether.  Jules and Beau will undoubtedly try there again next year.

Hope all is well with these guys in their new home.  Please keep us updated on their status.  

p.s. will they get names?


Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: RCF on July 04, 2012, 12:13
I'm glad you were able to finally get access, it's all about the birds and it's good to do what is best for their survival.  I hope they do well in their new home.  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 04, 2012, 12:17
Just so sad for Jules and Beau tho to have there chicks taken away.  I know I am looking at this as a human with emotions but will they adjust okay.  Will it just be as tho a chick has died while fledging the way Polo did last year.
I know it is best for the chicks because of where they are.
It is too bad you can't get the undesirable location fixed so they won't return there.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pense on July 04, 2012, 12:25
While it's sad that the chicks had to be removed from Jules and Beau, it's obvious that it was
done in the best interests of the chicks and with a lot of thought.  Thanks TPC for explaining
the reasoning behind the move.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 04, 2012, 12:30
The chicks that fledge around the Radisson have lots of safe places to go. Even though Portage Ave with all it's traffic is right there, most of the places that the chicks will end up is on roof tops. Nice SAFE rooftops.

Unfortuneatly, where the West Winnipeg birds decided to nest there is not the density of buildings which you find downtown. Here the rooftops are far between, there is a lot of traffic and parking lots. This is all fine for an adult bird, but not so good for a fledgling that is losing altitude (since they mostly glide to start with) and trying to find somewhere to land.

Even at the 2nd building that TPC is refering to, there are plenty of things to go wrong. When the solo chick last year fledged, the first flight was to a neighboring building, but on the second flight he attempted to land on a street light and couldn't get his footing. He ended up fluttering straight down into morning traffic.

I wish these chicks the best in their new home. I will miss seeing them, but what's best for them is what is important.

P.S. to Beau and Jules - next year please nest on the good building, like you did in 2010...please.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: birdcamfan on July 04, 2012, 12:46
Thank goodness Winnipeg has someone like you Tracy, with the knowledge, background and experience to know what is the right thing to do. You have been thrown a number of challenging situations over the past few years (especially with this site), and you have come up with some very inventive ways of dealing with each challenge. Thank you for sharing this information with us. We all learn a bit more with each of your posts, and I for one am very grateful.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 04, 2012, 12:55
Ditto to birdcamfan's post!  ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: noellat on July 04, 2012, 13:11
I am new to this forum this year.   I can see there is much more to protecting the peregrines than meets the eye.  This has been almost a full time drama for me since I discovered the site in May.  TPC and all the others who take care of these birds are wonderful ambassadors for the peregrines.  I am very grateful to all the people who post their sightings and pictures. I am so much more informed than I was in May.  I love all the sites and I am totally peregrine crazy. I wanted to insert the happy face but I don't know how to do it.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: susha on July 04, 2012, 13:28
I am new to this forum this year.   I can see there is much more to protecting the peregrines than meets the eye.  This has been almost a full time drama for me since I discovered the site in May.  TPC and all the others who take care of these birds are wonderful ambassadors for the peregrines.  I am very grateful to all the people who post their sightings and pictures. I am so much more informed than I was in May.  I love all the sites and I am totally peregrine crazy. I wanted to insert the happy face but I don't know how to do it. ;D :)

There, I did it for you, noellat!  You just have to click on the faces above the screen to select which one you want and it'll appear wherever your cursor is ;)

There is so much to learn on this site, I agree.  And the learning never stops.  Being "totally peregrine crazy" can describe everyone on this forum, so Welcome to the forum!

There have been so many challenges with this nestsite and I join everyone in hoping that Jules and Beau will make a better choice next year.  It seems that people have a big influence, ie. will the "good" location still be full of construction chaos when the birds return in the spring ???  I'm sure that TPC will continue to think of solutions to this dilemma.  For the time being, our three little WW chicks will be off to a safe location where they can continue to thrive and learn to be independent. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: GCG on July 04, 2012, 13:39
 :-* Tracy, all of here at the forum know that you have made the right decision for the WW Winnipeg chicks. You have our total support. Will they be banded or is it too late? Their survival is most important.  :-*
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: noellat on July 04, 2012, 13:53
Thanks Susha ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Rose on July 04, 2012, 14:14
Are you the one that has to feed these chicks (don't need that added to your work load) or will someone from Conservation be responsible because these chicks have to be fed until the food that is put in the box does not get eaten.  Which means they are hunting for themselves and are independant when they don't return to the box for food.It seems you said this can take quite a while. Is the food Quail and I understand that it is fed in such a way that the chicks never see a human. When the first chicks were hacked at Mckenzies the staff at that time said it was put in down a shoot (don't know if thats how it was done) but you would maybe know. You said you have to get the food from Ontario.  I'm assuming that they were banded and that Conservation put transmitters on them before they went into the Hack Box. Wish them all the luck for a safe Fledge and may they return in some future year to raise their own chicks..
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: jollykins on July 04, 2012, 14:18
Hello everyone.  I am a new member to the forum, but have been reading here for two years now.  I just couldn't resist commenting on how supportive everyone has been for the safety and well being not only for the peregrines, but to each other.  Crazy as we all may be for the peregrines, you are all a wonderful group of people!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 04, 2012, 14:57
I'll answer in segments as it seems easiest ...

New Home:  Chicks are safe and will be hacked from outside of Winnipeg.  There is a hacksite attendent who will be watching over and feeding the chicks until they teach themselves to hunt sometime in the next 5-6 weeks.  And no, I'm not the attendent, there was one already in place for this site which is what made it a viable option for the WW chicks.  And we are keeping the chicks together so it will still be them against the world which is a good thing.

Banding & Transmitters:  Chicks haven't been banded yet, but they will be.  We will be banding them when they get their transmitters.  We have an opportunity to safely fit them with transmitters so we will only disturb them once and do both at the same time.  Sometime after that when we are sure they have imprinted on the location, we will open up the hack box (a hack box looks a bit like a birdie jail with all the amenities) and the birds will be able to fledge but will know to return for food.  After they fledge, they will do all the usual peregrine things including starting to hunt as their hardwiring to chase and catch kicks in, just like the Radisson bird do and Brandon birds will when they chase their parents.

Food:  Yes it is quail that is fed to the peregrines as it is more wild than chicken which makes a difference to peregrines that hunt.  We tried to source the quail locally but it was all spoken for for the captive-bred chicks being released this year.  And in fact we had to be sure we had food on the way before we could scoop the WW chicks yesterday.  The chicks basically eat one quail a day, so 3 chicks x 6 weeks (42 days) plus a few more to cover our bases and replace 5 days worth "borrowed" from Lisa at Prairie Wildlife Rehab and we are ordering 200 frozen quail to be flown in by the end of the week.  The quail are a reasonable price but the shipping is a bit expensive - so about $5 per quail all told.

Jules & Beau:  Interestingly, only Jules came to protest when I was retrieving her chicks and not until I was scooping up the last chick.  Beau never left the Diner.  Afterwards Jules had a close inspection of the nestsite and of course couldn't find any chicks then she and Beau had a flight together north of the nestsite before she when back to the Diner, then back to the nestsite.  The chicks are within days of fledging and about the same age as Polo when he fledged and died last year, so the adults are shifting to a new phase in their relationship with the chicks - the chicks chase them for food and they protect them when they get into trouble.  This is very different from have chicks confined to a nestsite and wholly dependent on their parents.  Beau & Jules reacted well to the loss of Polo last year and I'm thinking they will do the same again this year since by the time we could get to the chicks, they were most the way to being fully independent.

Plans for Next Year:  Same as this year, try to prevent Jules from nesting here again and encourage her to nest elsewhere.  We've made headway on the excluding her next year and made even more headway on providing Beau and Jules with alternates that they will like - particularly Beau who seems to prefer nestboxes.  Last year's and this year's events have contributed greatly to making headway, so that's a bonus.

Names:  Yes, these chicks will be getting names.  Will let everyone know when they are named.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 04, 2012, 15:05
Thank you for all the detailed information Tracy.  It's greatly appreciated.  Tough times but hopefully things will turn out well.  :-*
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: RaptorGal on July 04, 2012, 15:17
 :) Bless you and your co-workers on this difficult project.  Wishing good things for all peregrine falcons. Thanks for taking time to explain things to us.  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pam on July 04, 2012, 15:27
Thanks for the update & info, Tracy.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: newchick on July 04, 2012, 19:28
Interesting saga, Tracey.  I'm not certain could you not try and get Jules and Beau to imprint on the hack site where the chicks have been re-located to.  I'm not familiar if it is possible, but, if it is would in not be worth a try?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 04, 2012, 21:03
Interesting saga, Tracey.  I'm not certain could you not try and get Jules and Beau to imprint on the hack site where the chicks have been re-located to.  I'm not familiar if it is possible, but, if it is would in not be worth a try?

'Fraid not Newchick, the time span for imprinting is only a few weeks when they are chicks.  Beau and Jules are wild birds despite their origins, they migrate to Central/South America each year and come back to nest where they want (as we know!!), we have no control over what they do though we do/will try to reduce her nestsite options by one next year.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 04, 2012, 22:56
Wow! Lots to mull over here. Thanks for all the updates, TPC. :-* You sure have been busy and I know that you did what was best for the chicks. Hopefully, next year, Beau & Jules will nest in a much safer place, with easier access for banding, etc.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 05, 2012, 06:31
Thanks for the update Tracy.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: newchick on July 05, 2012, 10:28
Quote from: newchick link=topic=3275.msg88585#msg88585 d!ate=1341448123
Interesting saga, Tracey.  I'm not certain could you not try and get Jules and Beau to imprint on the hack site where the chicks have been re-located to.  I'm not familiar if it is possible, but, if it is would in not be worth a try?

'Fraid not Newchick, the time span for imprinting is only a few weeks when they are chicks.  Beau and Jules are wild birds despite their origins, they migrate to Central/South America each year and come back to nest where they want (as we know!!), we have no control over what they do though we do/will try to reduce her nestsite options by one next year.
 

Oh, ok, was worth an interesting thought though
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pam on July 05, 2012, 15:10
Saw Jules today, looking possibly perplexed?  She was just sitting there, I guess wondering where the kids went to!  Maybe she will learn to choose a better spot next year!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Jo on July 05, 2012, 20:38
Thank you for all the information about the Winnipeg West chicks. That's quite the process getting all the ducks in a row (or should I say Quails in a row? ) and you present in such a manner that it's easy to follow and understand.


Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 05, 2012, 21:00
Went for a drive....
No birdie at the Diner...
No birdie at the Bleachers...

Found the birdies at the Tower...they were occasionally calling out, maybe still looking for some other little birdies...

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0832.jpg) This is Jules
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0830-2.jpg) Beau and Jules
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0829-2.jpg) Beau and Jules
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0819-2.jpg) Jules and Beau
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0810-2Beau.jpg) This is Beau
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 05, 2012, 22:07
 :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: allikat on July 05, 2012, 22:50
I'm sure the parents are wondering why their chicks aren't there anymore...however, if this new hack site is better for Beau and Jules young ones, then, we have to embrace that.  It's sad to know that they realize their chicks are gone and they are calling out to them, but, this site is just not safe for fledging, at all!  All will work out for the best, we have to believe that.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 06, 2012, 09:10
I understand and agree with you allikat, it's just hard as humans (and a parent) to not feel sad for Jules and Beau.  I'm know they don't have the same feelings as we do, but they must process the loss somehow and it makes me sad that they have to go through that.  Even if it's for the good of the chicks.  We can only hope they learn a lesson from this... (ie: pick a better nest site next year!).
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 06, 2012, 09:24
Beau and Jules will be over their initial upset by the end of the weekend and they will be doing adult peregrine things together again - roosting together, flying together, hunting together - all pair bonding activiites which will help to keep them together for another year.  Last year they settled back down to "normal" life after we lost Polo and given the age of this year's chicks is the same as Polo's, we should hope for the same this year.

And when you see Jules at all her usual spots, remember, those where her usual spots before she started nesting, so now that she doesn't have her chicks, she's just visiting her spots like she did before she was a mom.  And though I know its difficult at times, try not to assume that she's pining for the kids during those visits.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: transplanted maple on July 06, 2012, 11:21
The more I read and see what this group does...I can't beleive that in a world of ME and itls all for ME.
That there is a great many people still out there that really care.Thanks TPC for all the sending me, to sites to read and learn with every question I asked. Just proves that you are a natural born teacher...I am overwelmed by all of the writers
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 06, 2012, 11:59
Thanks for the reassurance Tracy.  It's good to hear that they move past the loss so quickly and go on to do much more fun stuff!  My heart still goes out to them though...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pam on July 07, 2012, 17:10
She looks pretty calm, I think.  Getting used to the new reality!

(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss261/Farlanex/Squirrel1of1.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: newchick on July 07, 2012, 20:56
She looks pretty calm, I think.  Getting used to the new reality!

[img width=361 height=300]http://
Her Breast looks whiter than Hurricane's or Princess'es.  Hoping her babies are faring well, and will do well in the area they have them in now.  8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: allikat on July 07, 2012, 23:52
I understand and agree with you allikat, it's just hard as humans (and a parent) to not feel sad for Jules and Beau.  I'm know they don't have the same feelings as we do, but they must process the loss somehow and it makes me sad that they have to go through that.  Even if it's for the good of the chicks.  We can only hope they learn a lesson from this... (ie: pick a better nest site next year!).
Of course Leana, human feelings are very reactive/subjective to emotions, but we must separate our human emotions as they do not apply to the raptor world.  However, we, as humans, have absolutely no clue to what raptors think or feel.  Therefore, to associate human emotions with a raptors instinct, is outside our understanding of the hard wired/instinctive minds of the raptor world.  We, as humans, must believe, and it is encumbant on us humans, to back any effort that will ensure the survival of the endangered species.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 08, 2012, 10:49
Was out and about yesterday and no sign of either of the WW birds in their territory.  That's pretty normal at this point with no chicks to feed/watch over.  They have probably gone a bit further than usual for a serious spot of hunting.

When they are around, they will still go to the nestsite - it was a favourite spot for roosting for the night, in the shade, in the sun, and that won't change.  And if they are there, they won't keep looking for the chicks each time.  By this point, they aren't looking for the chicks, they are just checking out their nestsite.  We watched the same thing in 2008 with Trey and Princess and again in 2009 with Jules & Ivy and in 2011 with Jules & Beau after Polo died.  The anthropomorphic comparison I can make to humans is the "stages of grief".  Just as we are hardwired to go through a specific sequence, so are they, its not the same stages and it is much faster as befits a species that needs to be practical in order to survive.  Humans have a luxury for these kinds of things that no other species can match (or perhaps should match?)

The WW chicks are doing great.  The person watching over them says they are eating very well and they are responding appropriately for young peregrines of their age and stage.  Their current accommodations are much more spacious and more protected and by the time they are ready to fledge they will be in great shape for it.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 08, 2012, 12:53
...The WW chicks are doing great.  The person watching over them says they are eating very well and they are responding appropriately for young peregrines of their age and stage.  Their current accommodations are much more spacious and more protected and by the time they are ready to fledge they will be in great shape for it.
This is such good news, TPC! I have been wondering how the WW chicks are doing, as I'm sure many others have been also. Thanks for the update. :-*
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: MayShowers on July 08, 2012, 21:47
Thank goodness Winnipeg has someone like you Tracy, with the knowledge, background and experience to know what is the right thing to do. You have been thrown a number of challenging situations over the past few years (especially with this site), and you have come up with some very inventive ways of dealing with each challenge. Thank you for sharing this information with us. We all learn a bit more with each of your posts, and I for one am very grateful.
I am behind on reading forum, but I also agree with birdcam's message :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 09, 2012, 19:29
Beau doing some preening on June 9th.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0543.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0544.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 09, 2012, 19:37
Jules on June 13, she was quite alert at the time as she was unhappy with some of the goings on in the area at the time.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0584-2.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0582-2.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Stormy on July 09, 2012, 19:38
Hi TPC - I have a question . . . how will the chicks know how to hunt without being taught by the parents?

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 09, 2012, 19:43
Jules on June 23 and 29, showing off her long talons, her lack of jewelry on her left leg, and her coloured belly.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0685.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0746-2.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: RCF on July 09, 2012, 21:08
Thanks for all the great pictures dupre!!  8) ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: burdi on July 09, 2012, 21:21
Usually when driving near this area I like to pull over and watch for a bit, though havenít been by since the chicks were removed.

Enjoyed your great pictures Dupre501!   :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 10, 2012, 21:14
Thanks for the appreciation of the pictures. Would have posted some of these sooner, but I needed to know the rules for posting pictures for this location. It's a sensative location.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 10, 2012, 21:17
Today, my husband and I checked out the area.

Found both birds on the east side of the Diner. They are staying close together as a pair and were on the shady side of the building. I guess they are trying to beat the heat the best way they can. 8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 12, 2012, 05:58
Any word on how the WW chicks are doing? 

Did you take any photos of the chicks before they went off to their new home?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: allikat on July 12, 2012, 12:30
Was wonderin' the same thing Moonstar... 
Just curious about our babes of West Winnipeg... any word, updates, photos of these kids?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 12, 2012, 13:06
The photos I have that glimpse the chicks are unpostable. No way TPC would allow those.

Photos of the chicks will have to come from Dennis. I hope he has some great ones. Can't wait to see them.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 12, 2012, 20:32
Today, found Beau and Jules at the Tower. The sky is very overcast and it is getting darker out.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0864-2.jpg)
(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0884.jpg)(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0892.jpg)(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN0913.jpg) This is pigeon central
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 12, 2012, 21:16
We think at this point that the WW chicks will be hacked (released) next week.  They are huge birds, eating very well and getting strong.  Hope to have some photos before they try out their wings.  Will let you know when I hear more.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: birdcamfan on July 12, 2012, 21:33
Gee I hope those chunky monkeys can get off the ground!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 12, 2012, 21:42
Gee I hope those chunky monkeys can get off the ground!!

I almost couldn't stuff one of the females in the buckets I normally use to move chicks and if it hadn't been "new" to her, I'm pretty sure she would have figured out all she needed to do was skooch (sp?) her wings up a bit and she'd have had her wings free and clear and she'd have been gone!!  :o

As for chunky, not quite and given the size of their wings, methinks they could carry off a small car!  Actually, they are more the size of chicks we had for most of our years - it has really only been since Princess arrived that we have had consistently small chicks ... though it could well have been T-Rex's genes that got it rolling, he was from the first nest and he was smaller than all is siblings - he then potentially passed it along to Trey (who was smaller but not as small as his Dad) and then with Princesses all the genes fell into place and we have had small successful birds. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 12, 2012, 22:15
Hi TPC - I have a question . . . how will the chicks know how to hunt without being taught by the parents?

Sorry Stormy, buzzed right by your question!
How do the chicks learn how to hunt?  Like flying, it is hardwired into their little brains.  The chicks just one day step off wherever their nest is and they fly, poorly at first usually and they get better.  Then they start chasing things - usually its their siblings (a continuation of chasing and nibbling at each other in the nestbox or nestledge at the Radisson) and their parents.  Then the parents will encourage the chicks to chase them with food and they will start to transfer the food in mid-air, forcing the chicks to develop skills for catching/grabbing things in mid-air, then they start to chase/grab/catch other things from grasshoppers to whatever hapless bird crosses their path when they are "in the mood".  Then the catch is recognized as food and the chicks start to do it on purpose for the purpose of food on tap (so to speak). 

Without their parents, the chicks will start to chase things on their own.  They are provided food daily for weeks, so like the chicks-with-parents, the hardwiring will kick in and they will start chasing things on their own and the rest is the same as the chicks-with-parents.  They are provided with food for longer than the wild parents will provide their chicks, so they won't be left in the lurch, they will have more time to practice and work on their skills than their wild-chicks-with-parents neighbours.  In fact, the hacked chicks will let the attendants know when they have had enough food-deliveries.  The amount of food (Japanese quail) starts to drop off as the chicks start hunting and then when they don't come back for food, that's that and the food isn't provided at the site any longer and the chicks are on their own.

Now is having a parent around better for hunting skills?  Hard to say.  Remember, all the wild peregrines in Canada and the US are descended from hack-released, captive-bred birds - no parents taught any of them how to hunt.  And Beau, he's a captive-bred bird that was hack-released into the wild at the same age as his kids.  He turned out well.  And even though we don't know anything about Jules, given the type of band she has on her leg, it is entirely likely that her background is much the same as Beau's. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pense on July 12, 2012, 22:30
That was a good question Stormy.

TPC, thanks for the great detailed explanation of the process of how the juveniles progress
to hunting on their own.

What is the usual length of time that this whole process takes?  I realize that each bird is
different so you can't really generalize but just wondering. Has there ever been an occasion
when it has taken an exceptionally long time for this instinct to "kick in" for a juvenile?
Enough that it has caused concern? 

Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 12, 2012, 22:48
That was a good question Stormy.

TPC, thanks for the great detailed explanation of the process of how the juveniles progress
to hunting on their own.

What is the usual length of time that this whole process takes?  I realize that each bird is
different so you can't really generalize but just wondering. Has there ever been an occasion
when it has taken an exceptionally long time for this instinct to "kick in" for a juvenile?
Enough that it has caused concern? 

Not so far - the hardwiring kicks in about the same time for them all, though one may be a bit lazy and keep coming back for a free meal.  But that too is no different from chicks-with-parents, there is often one chick that begs for food long after their siblings are off causing mayhem and chaos of their own.  Sometimes adults will beg food from their mates in a manner that is reminiscent of chick behaviour - Chase in Edmonton is a good example, Madame begged food from T-Rex the first summer she spent with him (non breeding) and there are others.  They get over it.  They have too or they are not mate material and get ditched.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 13, 2012, 21:59
9:15 pm - Beau & Jules at the Tower.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: susha on July 13, 2012, 22:18
Are we able to know where the Tower is? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Saoirse on July 14, 2012, 09:24
Great, detailed information, TPC -- as always, thanks a million! There's always something to learn about these peregrine falcons.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Jo on July 14, 2012, 20:17
Those are lovely pictures Dupre.

Thanks for the details about the hacking process TPC. Very interesting.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: allikat on July 15, 2012, 00:45
With, all great explanations aside,...would still like to know the happenings of the chicks and see photos of them to find out how they are doing/developing.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 15, 2012, 07:52
With, all great explanations aside,...would still like to know the happenings of the chicks and see photos of them to find out how they are doing/developing.

I also would love to see some photos of the WW chicks. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: photosbydennis on July 15, 2012, 09:36
Do to the number of people involved, the timing and my work schedule I wasn't able to make it for the removal of the West Wpg. chicks....grrrr !
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: photosbydennis on July 15, 2012, 09:37
A visit to the West Winnipeg bleachers the other day found both Beau and Jules on the rail...three hours of watching paint dry, produced a few new photos that have been added to the gallery.

http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_2012
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 15, 2012, 10:40
Do to the number of people involved, the timing and my work schedule I wasn't able to make it for the removal of the West Wpg. chicks....grrrr !

I just assumed you would have been there.  Sorry to hear you missed it.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 15, 2012, 11:55
The chicks are huge right now - haven't seen chicks this large in more than a decade, sure shows that Beau and Jules are not related to the rest of Manitoba's peregrines.  Not a bad thing, on the contrary, perhaps good for the population if one of the kids returns somewhere.  New genes and all that.

We think that they will be released mid-week but it depends on the weather somewhat.  They are in a more climate-controlled location so they are in better shape than all our other chicks were at this stage.  They are older than the Brandon chicks which have started to fledge, but they are bigger, so in terms of readiness to fledge, they are probably pretty close in their developmental cycle.  That and there are two females here, which means they would be fledging later anyway.  They've had lots of space to exercise their wings and their release location is mostly building free and there are no major roads, so getting grounded means they have lots of open areas to get back up in the air and get going again. 

I plan to have my camera with me if I get out to the release so there should be photos of WW kids in the next few days.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Stormy on July 15, 2012, 12:49
Hi TPC - I have a question . . . how will the chicks know how to hunt without being taught by the parents?

Sorry Stormy, buzzed right by your question!
How do the chicks learn how to hunt?  Like flying, it is hardwired into their little brains.  The chicks just one day step off wherever their nest is and they fly, poorly at first usually and they get better.  Then they start chasing things - usually its their siblings (a continuation of chasing and nibbling at each other in the nestbox or nestledge at the Radisson) and their parents.  Then the parents will encourage the chicks to chase them with food and they will start to transfer the food in mid-air, forcing the chicks to develop skills for catching/grabbing things in mid-air, then they start to chase/grab/catch other things from grasshoppers to whatever hapless bird crosses their path when they are "in the mood".  Then the catch is recognized as food and the chicks start to do it on purpose for the purpose of food on tap (so to speak). 

Without their parents, the chicks will start to chase things on their own.  They are provided food daily for weeks, so like the chicks-with-parents, the hardwiring will kick in and they will start chasing things on their own and the rest is the same as the chicks-with-parents.  They are provided with food for longer than the wild parents will provide their chicks, so they won't be left in the lurch, they will have more time to practice and work on their skills than their wild-chicks-with-parents neighbours.  In fact, the hacked chicks will let the attendants know when they have had enough food-deliveries.  The amount of food (Japanese quail) starts to drop off as the chicks start hunting and then when they don't come back for food, that's that and the food isn't provided at the site any longer and the chicks are on their own.

Now is having a parent around better for hunting skills?  Hard to say.  Remember, all the wild peregrines in Canada and the US are descended from hack-released, captive-bred birds - no parents taught any of them how to hunt.  And Beau, he's a captive-bred bird that was hack-released into the wild at the same age as his kids.  He turned out well.  And even though we don't know anything about Jules, given the type of band she has on her leg, it is entirely likely that her background is much the same as Beau's. 

Thanks TPC!  I can't wait to see photos of these guys/gals . . . this will Beau and Jules' first chicks to grow up, right?  I think so.  They lost Polo last year and I think that was their first try at it.  Hope they get better at this . . .  :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: photosbydennis on July 15, 2012, 12:56
Sorry they( Beau & Jules ) raised 3 chicks that all fledged in 2010
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: susha on July 15, 2012, 13:32
Sorry they( Beau & Jules ) raised 3 chicks that all fledged in 2010

And that happy, healthy family was hatched and raised at the "good" nest site, so hopefully, we can have a repeat of that success next year! 8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 15, 2012, 14:07
Sorry they( Beau & Jules ) raised 3 chicks that all fledged in 2010

Yup, Annie, Aggie & Nero - they do like two girls and a boy in their nests  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Moonstar on July 15, 2012, 14:18
Looking forward to photos.  Thanks TPC.  Will you be naming them? 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 15, 2012, 15:43
Looking forward to photos.  Thanks TPC.  Will you be naming them?  

Oh yes.  Don't know all the names yet but they will have names and I'll post them here :)
Hopefully I'll have them all by the time I have photos to post
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Stormy on July 15, 2012, 16:27
Sorry they( Beau & Jules ) raised 3 chicks that all fledged in 2010

Now it's coming back to me . . . not really . . .  :-\   ::)  But, good to know they had a good "batch" at least.  Yes, need to get them back at the safe site!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: des on July 15, 2012, 22:21
I wonder if other southern Manitoba raptors had plumper and faster-developing young this year?  Not really expecting an answer, just thinking about it.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 15, 2012, 22:33
I wonder if other southern Manitoba raptors had plumper and faster-developing young this year?  Not really expecting an answer, just thinking about it.

Couldn't say, though there are a ton of merlins and American Kestrel's fledging at the moment.  Seems later to me than usual, but don't quote me on it, I just don't know for sure ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 16, 2012, 12:47
Yesterday evening we went for a drive between 7:30 and 8:00. We only spotted one bird at the Bleachers, I suspect it was Jules as it was one of her "spots".
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 17, 2012, 20:06
6:00 p.m. - Jules at the Tower
6:20 p.m. - Beau and Jules at the Tower
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: GCG on July 18, 2012, 08:56
 ??? Have been wondering if there is any news to report on the chicks. Hope all is well.  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 18, 2012, 10:20
??? Have been wondering if there is any news to report on the chicks. Hope all is well.  :)

Hoping to get them banded and ready for release later today.  Will post information when I have it later.  :)
And photos too!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 18, 2012, 10:40
Thanks for the update, TPC. Hope all goes well with the banding later today. Looking forward to seeing a few photos, if you or Dennis are able to snap any. :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 18, 2012, 18:59
The West Winnipeg chicks are huge!  Well, the females are and the male is Trey-size which is nice.  Attitudinal however - male chick tried to eat through the glove I was wearing to catch him up.  Didn't make it through the leather but darn near and I fear I shall have a couple of bruises on the back of my hand tomorrow.  The females psyched us out - one minute one was calm (for a peregrine) and the other one was trying do physical damage to me.  Then it would switch.  Good thing peregrines don't live in packs, this pack would be seriously dangerous.  They haven't fledged yet but they will go when they want to - nothing in their way and they will have food waiting for them whenever they want it at this location. 

We do have some photos though we needed Dennis' hands frequently so not as many as he could have got.  No flight shots, but some nice shots nonetheless.  And no, they won't be ready tonight but I suspect by the end of the weekend, Dennis will have had an opportunity to go through his photo collection.

Still missing one name so will hold off until I have it.  We have put coloured tape on these chicks as well but on their right legs so if they turn up in town, we can ID them quickly as not Radisson birds. 

They are wonderful looking birds though and they have had space to exercise their wings and fly short distances so we are optimistic that they will fledge (knock on wood) without incident - so long as they don't forget where dinner is served!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 18, 2012, 20:41
TPC, thank you so much for the colourful update on the chicks. Sound like they were even more aggressive than the rescued female Radisson chick (2 years ago?) Aurora/Cali.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 18, 2012, 20:51
...We have put coloured tape on these chicks as well but on their right legs so if they turn up in town, we can ID them quickly as not Radisson birds...
So glad to hear that all of the WW chicks are doing well, TPC! :D But sorry to hear of your injuries. :( Was just wondering, though, do you think that any of them might attempt to fly back into the city and relocate themselves at their original nesting sight? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: noellat on July 18, 2012, 22:30
I was wondering the same thing Kinderchick.  Also can anyone tell me if Jules and Beau would recognize the chicks if they saw them.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: sami on July 18, 2012, 22:34

They are wonderful looking birds though and they have had space to exercise their wings and fly short distances so we are optimistic that they will fledge (knock on wood) without incident - so long as they don't forget where dinner is served!

Do peregrines ever forget where dinner is served?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Saoirse on July 18, 2012, 23:08
TPC, it sounds as though you had an eventful time with the West Winnipeg chicks! Maybe some hazard pay would be in line???  ::)  Seriously, though, obviously these are healthy, thriving birds and it'll be great to see some photos of them when Dennis has time.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: des on July 18, 2012, 23:15
I'm still picturing a pack of peregrines...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: GCG on July 19, 2012, 05:43
The West Winnipeg chicks are huge!  Well, the females are and the male is Trey-size which is nice.  Attitudinal however - male chick tried to eat through the glove I was wearing to catch him up. 

They are wonderful looking birds though and they have had space to exercise their wings and fly short distances so we are optimistic that they will fledge (knock on wood) without incident - so long as they don't forget where dinner is served!

  :)  :-* Thank you so much for the WW update. Glad to hear they have fared well. Your vast knowledge has helped them to safely reach this stage of development without incident. As far as them remembering where their dinner is served, it sounds like they were trying to make you their appetizer!  :o
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 19, 2012, 07:59
though, do you think that any of them might attempt to fly back into the city and relocate themselves at their original nesting sight? ??? 

If they were to find their way there it wouldn't be "returning" it would just be luck and that the buildings in the area are appealing to all peregrines, young and old.

Do peregrines ever forget where dinner is served? 

Yes, chicks that "bolt" often forget where dinner is served.  Some will remember in time, some won't like one of the released chicks last year.  We haven't had any "bolt" chicks in the last few years at the wild site so I can't give you an example there you all would remember, but there have been wild "bolt" chicks at other sites - Mr White at Edmonton a couple of years ago?? I might have the name or location wrong but I think that was one ...

I'm still picturing a pack of peregrines... 

Think piranha with wings ... or at least that's what comes to my mind as WW he was trying to eat me ...  ::)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 19, 2012, 09:13
I'm still picturing a pack of peregrines... 

Think piranha with wings ... or at least that's what comes to my mind as WW he was trying to eat me ...  ::)

Piranha with wings... hahaha... ;D

Curiousity makes me ask... did these guys get transmitters?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 19, 2012, 10:19
I'm still picturing a pack of peregrines...  

Think piranha with wings ... or at least that's what comes to my mind as WW he was trying to eat me ...  ::)

Piranha with wings... hahaha... ;D

Curiousity makes me ask... did these guys get transmitters?

They did (that's when the male tried to eat me).  Much easier to access safely at this location than say McKenzie Seeds and we didn't have to wait for one to go get softly grounded (no injuries) like at the Radisson.  Because they have been hack-released, we'll be able to keep an eye on them as they get their "wings" and if one or another "bolts" we have the ability to retrieve them before they get into real trouble.  Basically, we'll play "mom" and "dad" if they need us.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Banane on July 19, 2012, 10:54
Although I live in Ottawa, I love to read all the updates and watch the Manitoba falcons web cams. I'm so glad they are, so far, all doing so well!
I am thrilled we have a second pair of Peregrines in Ottawa, but the updates are not as forthcoming. I offered to build a nest box for our new pair but I haven't heard a thing. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Jo on July 19, 2012, 17:00
The females psyched us out - one minute one was calm (for a peregrine) and the other one was trying do physical damage to me.  Then it would switch. 

Sounds like they were playing "good peregrine / bad peregrine"  ;)

Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 23, 2012, 00:31
Report on the kids .... they are all fine.  They all took their first flights shortly after we left them last Wednesday.  Didn't think they would go the same day but they did and they all managed to to stay off the ground.  And they all made it back to the hack site for their first post-fledging, post-hack meal which they finished off pretty darn quick.  Hungry work this flying stuff  ;)

Since then, via their transmitters, we have been able to see that none of them are straying far from the hacksite which means they know where food is which is good.  Often a chick will "bolt" away and get too far away from the hack site to know how to get back for food.  Not the case with these three, they are making short hops improving their flight skills but their base of operations is still the hack site which is great.  And they have learned how to perch on poles already!  That's a bit like being able to land on the Radisson sign for a fledgling - takes a good eye and a bit of nerve the first time.  All good signs that the West Winnipeg chicks are progressing nicely!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Cooper on July 23, 2012, 08:44
Mom and dad doing fine too. Saw them both on the diner, south side letters, this morning at 8:00 a.m. Both were preening in the morning sun.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 23, 2012, 09:59
Report on the kids .... they are all fine... 
Thanks for this wonderful update, TPC! :-* So glad to hear that these 3 appear to be doing so well.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Saoirse on July 24, 2012, 07:57
So good to hear about the WW fledglings -- well fed and acing the flying, can't ask for much more than that!  8)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: birdcamfan on July 24, 2012, 07:58
Great news, the whole family sounds well.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: bcbird on July 24, 2012, 11:30
Parents are still together, maybe learning something from another unsuccessful year at this lousy site, and the young ones now elsewhere are successfully and safely flying.

Lots to be happy about here. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 24, 2012, 12:01
Tracy do we have names for these 3 chicks?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 24, 2012, 13:06
Tracy do we have names for these 3 chicks?

We do actually - as of last night in fact.  If y'all can wait a day more, we're just finishing going through photos and I can give you names and photos at the same time ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 24, 2012, 20:01
Thank you Tracy.

Can't wait for the chicks names and pictures.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 25, 2012, 09:54
Dennis and I went to have a visit with the West Winnipeg birds last night to see how they were flying after their first few days and our timing was perfect, but not for good reasons.  The West Winnipeg male was found dead yesterday morning - likely the victim of a Great Horned Owl, the species' only confirmed predator. 

He was found not far from the hacksite so it was just bad luck likely rather than anything he did.  His flight patterns (according to his transmitter) is pretty much the same as his sisters' so he was where he was suppose to be doing what he was suppose to be doing. 

The upside of fledging in a rural area is no concrete skyscrapers and fewer cars, downside is more things that will eat you.  So six of one, half dozen of another when it comes to the rural vs urban nesting debate.  Mortality rates are about the same for both geographies.  This will make this male our third probable predated peregrine in two years from the most rural nest/release sites  we have had/used.  Not that our urban peregrine chicks are really that much safer, once they leave Winnipeg and Brandon to hunt or disperse prior to migrating, they are all at risk of predation by other raptors - either because they are seen as a threat/competition or because they have food someone else wants - sometimes they are the food someone else wants.

The two females - Lilith and Juliet - are both fine, flying very very well and hanging out as a unit which could/should make it harder for anything wanting to take a chance at taking one "on".  We watched the pair of them flying over fields and through some nearby trees with much more dexterity then you can see watching the Radisson or Brandon chicks at this same stage of fledging and that is just because of the topography they have to use.  And they are very wary of humans which is great.  That and the cloud cover yesterday evening made it tough for Dennis to get the kind of photos he could have had if the sun had just stayed out.  He still managed to get some wonderful shots (from what I could see on the camera screen) but they would have been astounding if the clouds had held off for just a little longer!!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Saoirse on July 25, 2012, 10:26
That's such sad news about the WW male, especially when things seemed to be going so well for the fledglings. It's good to hear that Lilith and Juliet are thriving and I hope that "safety in numbers" proves to be the case for them.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: MayShowers on July 25, 2012, 13:02
For just a split second when I read about the WW male, I thought of Beau.  I must admit I was relieved that it wasn't him, but at the same time I am so sorry about the juvie male :'( We never even had the chance to learn his name.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 25, 2012, 14:24
Aw! So sorry to hear of the death of the WW male, TPC. :'( Had you registered a name for him yet?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Pense on July 25, 2012, 16:12
So sad to hear about the news about the WW male.  :(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 25, 2012, 17:49
For just a split second when I read about the WW male, I thought of Beau.  I must admit I was relieved that it wasn't him, but at the same time I am so sorry about the juvie male :'( We never even had the chance to learn his name.

I also thought it was Beau!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 25, 2012, 17:58
Tracy,

If a Great Horned Owl killed the male chick
did he just kill it to kill it, or did the owl eat the chick?
I know now a great subject, I was just wondering.
 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 25, 2012, 18:03
Lilith and Juliet are wonderful names Tracy!
What is the meaning behind the names.

Had you named the male? If so what was his name?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: RCF on July 25, 2012, 18:18
Tracy,

If a Great Horned Owl killed the male chick
did he just kill it to kill it, or did the owl eat the chick?
I know now a great subject, I was just wondering.


Yes, I would like to know also, not to sound morbid. The Great horned owl nests early so it wouldn't be feeding young at this time of year, so could it be just territorial. Very sad about the unnamed male juvenile peregrine.  :(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: susha on July 25, 2012, 19:37
Such sad news :'(   So sad for you and Dennis to see, TPC, as it always is, I'm sure.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Jan on July 25, 2012, 19:50
Very sad news
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 25, 2012, 20:19
Great Horned Owls are the only confirmed predator of peregrines - and no, its not necessarily for food, it can just be to kill.  Yes they are territorial while the chicks are around but they don't migrate so their territories change in shape/size through the seasons but there is always a presence on territory.

Was the West Winnipeg male killed for food?  Don't think so.  My understanding is that we have a decent small mammal population this year and a peregrine can outfly an owl on speed alone.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 25, 2012, 20:27
Names ....

female 1 - Lilith - name just jumped out at me when I was driving the three of them off to Prairie Wildlife prior to heading out to the hack site.  Bird is protesting her confinement, sorry, start again, big bird is protesting her confinement on the passenger seat of a very very small sub-compact car.  And the name just jumped into my head.

female 2 - Juliet - again, just a name that seemed to suit given that they hatched on a ledge and she's always calling out to her siblings.  Made me think of Shakespeare's Juliet.  Maybe with such a romantic name she will survive to find her Romeo!

male - did I have a name for him - yes.  Am I going to use it, no.  Just doesn't seem appropriate anymore.  It would have been a great name so long as he survived to migrate out and (hopefully many times) back again.  As he hasn't, I decided to give him a name that honours what we did know about him (not much granted), something that will immortalize him even though we knew him for such a short time.  There were two distinctive things about him, both behavioural that we discovered when we put his bands on.  One I just can't name him after, too embarassing for him, sort of like calling a rottweiler "kitty".  The other was that he liked to bite, and bite hard.  And of course as the person who was holding him I was the bitee, even through the gloves I was wearing.  So, because of the three birds he was the smallest (being the only male) and the one who gave me bruises in the back of my hands right through the thick leather gloves I was wearing, he's been re-christened "Nipper".  Our little Nipper was a nice little bird and it was just dumb luck I suspect that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and became our, so far (knock on wood) first mortality of 2012.  If we are very very lucky (knock on wood) he will be our only fatalilty in 2012.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: birdcamfan on July 25, 2012, 21:36
Too bad. I was just thinking the other day that things had gone well with the fledges and we hadn't had any disasters yet. Should have nipped that thought in the bud I guess. We have been lucky this year. Very blessed.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: bcbird on July 25, 2012, 22:34
Not good news about little Nipper, but very relieved it wasn't Beau.

I like the names.

It is quite something to picture three big birds protesting confinemen tin a very, very small sub-compact car!
 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Doreen on July 26, 2012, 06:24
Thank you Tracy
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Kinderchick on July 26, 2012, 09:28
For just a split second when I read about the WW male, I thought of Beau.  I must admit I was relieved that it wasn't him...
Yes, MayShowers, I also have to admit, on 1st reading the headlines on the Home page, I thought it was Beau too. Still very sad to read about the male fledgling, though. :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: newchick on July 26, 2012, 13:07
Tracy,

If a Great Horned Owl killed the male chick
did he just kill it to kill it, or did the owl eat the chick?
I know now a great subject, I was just wondering.
 

Wow!  Sad news.  A Predator, killing a smaller predator.  Most likely defending territory.  Hoping this will be our one and only mortality this year for the chicks.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Leana on July 26, 2012, 14:01
For just a split second when I read about the WW male, I thought of Beau.  

Me too!  That's the first thing I thought.   :-[  So glad it wasn't Beau and yet so sad it was one of their chicks.  Poor little Nipper... but that is the reality of life in the wild, isn't it?  :'(

Love the girl's names Tracy, especially Juliet.  Hope to see photos of them soon.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: bev. on July 26, 2012, 16:07
So sorry to hear about your young male.  :'( :'(

I am going to see our hacked birds on the weekend. Hopefully all will be well. I think I can handle mortality better when it is due to nature. I have trouble with buildings and cars being the cause.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Elaine L on July 27, 2012, 00:24
I am catching up on the news since my return from holidays, and I am so sorry to read about the death of the young male in West Winnipeg.  I agree with Bev that I can handle death better when it is due to nature, not people or buildings.  I hope all continues to go well for the other fledgings.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: dupre501 on July 27, 2012, 19:52
Both Beau and Jules at the Diner just before 6 p.m.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: noellat on July 28, 2012, 14:47
  I've seen it referred to many times and I don't know what or where it is.  It's "the Diner".  Can anyone tell me. ???

So sad about the little nibbler  :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 28, 2012, 17:20
I've seen it referred to many times and I don't know what or where it is.  It's "the Diner".  Can anyone tell me. ???

The West Winnipeg nestsites have security concerns for the birds so we don't specifically name the locations.  However, in order to keep folks informed on what is going on with this pair, we have given some of the birds' favourite buildings/perches nicknames.  The Diner is a location where they like to eat.  The Bleachers is a place where they like to watch the world go by.  With the nicknames at least folks can follow along with the stories we tell.

Hope that helps a bit.  
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: noellat on July 28, 2012, 22:33
Thanks TPC.  I guess I  won't be going to "the
Diner" to have a bite to eat and watch the Peregrines.  LOL
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: photosbydennis on July 29, 2012, 21:45
New gallery has been started for the West Winnipeg Chicks.
 
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_chicks
 
More photos will be added in the day's to come.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on July 30, 2012, 09:53
Haven't heard how Lilith and Juliet fared the storm, but I do have a call in ... more news as I get it.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: Jo on July 31, 2012, 21:22
I'm so sorry to hear about Nipper.

Juliet and Lilith are such beautiful names.

Dennis - thank you for the photos - as always, they are wonderful
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: photosbydennis on July 31, 2012, 22:01
Hey Juliet, you watch to the right side and I'll watch the left...I think that guy with the camera is trying to sneak up on us ?

More photos have been added   http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_chicks
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / July
Post by: RaptorGal on July 31, 2012, 23:00
Hey Juliet, you watch to the right side and I'll watch the left...I think that guy with the camera is trying to sneak up on us ?

More photos have been added   http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_chicks

LOL  Dennis, you are so busted!!!  They caught you in the act!  Do you want their autographs too?  I am sure something could be arranged, haha. 
In all seriousness, I have so loved all your photos.  You have a gift for getting and sharing the best shots of these peregrines with us!!  You are a great shutterbug, or should I say, phantashutterbug!!!  Thank you.
Title: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on August 01, 2012, 19:33
Spotted one falcon at the Diner at 6:00.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: transplanted maple on August 02, 2012, 17:18
Just love the photo Dennis ;D
And the names for the girls, such a romantic names for the 2.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 02, 2012, 17:22
Just love the photo Dennis ;D
And the names for the girls, such a romantic names for the 2.

She didn't love me any when we banded her ...  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 02, 2012, 17:24
Sorry, meant to let you all know that Lilith and Juliet are both hanging out together (like in Dennis' photos) still and still hanging out close to the hack site which means they are getting still getting fed well and don't seem to be attracting any attention from owls or whatever.  Good news.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on August 03, 2012, 23:14
I'm curious, TPC, would an owl or another raptor be attracted to the quail that is being left at the hack site for "the girls" and could another raptor even access the food? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: photosbydennis on August 04, 2012, 08:26
Few more photos have been added   http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_chicks
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on August 04, 2012, 13:36
Drove by the Diner yesterday about 7:30 pm, the worst of the storm had passed, and saw one falcon.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 04, 2012, 21:07
Dennis and I did a little tripping today and we found only one bird on the Diner this morning in the rain and thought by the very black head that it was Beau.  When we went past later both Jules and Beau were sitting on the Dinner together, well about 10 feet apart which is side-by-side for a peregrine.

At last report, Lilith and Juliet were still sticking close to each other and close to the hack site.  Doesn't look like they are being bothered by other raptors which is great news.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Cooper on August 16, 2012, 11:15
Birdy sitting pretty on the diner this morning, tucked in on the R, south side. Looked so golden, I thought it might be a juvenile bird. No time to ogle though as I was in rush hour traffic. Then I realized that it might just be the angle of the sun that gave her/him such a warm colour.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: GCG on August 16, 2012, 16:19
Birdy sitting pretty on the diner this morning, tucked in on the R, south side. Looked so golden, I thought it might be a juvenile bird. No time to ogle though as I was in rush hour traffic. Then I realized that it might just be the angle of the sun that gave her/him such a warm colour.

 ;D ;D  Hi Cooper! Thanks for posting your sighting of our WW juvie. I left Polo Park S.C around 10:30 this morning. Perhaps the falcon was there observing the same thing I saw on Ness. I must have passed through before they closed Ness. Must admit, I was trying to spot a falcon. The following ruined that. ::) >:(

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/ness-ave-re-opened-after-suspicious-package-turns-out-to-be-tube-for-carrying-keys-1.916880 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 17, 2012, 10:59
Lilith and Juliet have been doing some travelling recently, up to 140 kms away from the hacksite but they are still returning for meals and to hangout regularly.

If you haven't checked out Dennis' photos of the girls, here's the link ...
www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/west_wpg_chicks

Can't say if it was actually one of the girls that Cooper saw at the Diner, but travelling 140 kms, could get them within reach.  Chances are however that it was one of the Radisson chicks which I know from McDermot's transmitter have been out that way too ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Cooper on August 17, 2012, 11:31
Oh my goodness, today was the first time I looked at Dennis's photos of the West Winnipeg girls. They are gorgeous! Both the girls and the photos. And that is the exact warm golden look I saw at the diner. Of course, any of the juvies would have that colouring which I realized when I also had a peek at the "My day with Fleet" gallery.

I hadn't looked at those photos until today either, largely because I too had spent that same day with Fleet and watched Dennis take the photos. But what wonderful memories were brought back seeing those now.

Thanks Dennis for all of those photos. How fortunate we all are!  :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Banane on August 17, 2012, 13:25
I agree Cooper, those photos are beautiful. The girls are quite photogenic, but I say that about all the falcons. I am always awed by the beauty of these creatures.  :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Jan on August 17, 2012, 21:40
Oh what wonderful photos, Dennis!  I really like the ones of the two together.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on August 18, 2012, 14:00
At sundown yesterday, one falcon at the Bleachers.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on August 21, 2012, 21:33
The Merlin shot is just too cool.
Spotted a PF on the East facing u this morning at 0617h..watching the sun start to come up. It has been a while since I saw one there.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on August 22, 2012, 11:21
One falcon had dinner on the Diner at about 6 p.m. yesterday.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on August 27, 2012, 02:15
Sunday went for a drive, no falcons at the Diner or the Bleachers. As we headed for the tower one falcon flew overhead and landed at the Tower (4:10 p.m.). Because we can see a silver band rather than a breeders ring I'm going to say this is Beau.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN1307v2.jpg)

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/dupre501/DSCN1309v2.jpg)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: allikat on August 27, 2012, 21:25
Any new news on Lilith and Juliet?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on August 29, 2012, 19:08
Any new news on Lilith and Juliet?

Nothing has changed, still using the hack site as their base of operations but they have been going further afield.   Usually I get updates when a) something unusual has happened or every two/three weeks.  We should get another update shortly.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on September 01, 2012, 12:47
Nothing has changed, still using the hack site as their base of operations but they have been going further afield...

Are they still being fed the quail or are they doing their own hunting now, TPC? :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 02, 2012, 22:38
Juliet and Lilith have taken off from the hack site.  They've head north and west in fact, about 100km north and west in fact.  And yes, they are still together, and I would suspect they will stay together for at least a while longer.  Will be interesting to see how long they stay together - neat if they migrated with each other but we'll just have to wait and see.

Alot of peregrine movement at the US migration sites which could mean everyone is going to bolt sooner than last year.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on September 03, 2012, 10:31
...Alot of peregrine movement at the US migration sites which could mean everyone is going to bolt sooner than last year.
Why would they be migrating sooner than last year, TPC, when the weather is still so warm? ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 03, 2012, 11:29
...Alot of peregrine movement at the US migration sites which could mean everyone is going to bolt sooner than last year.
Why would they be migrating sooner than last year, TPC, when the weather is still so warm? ???

The weather is warm but check out the light and the air today, its very much a fall day even though we here in Winnipeg are forecasting temps in the high 20Cs.  And the trees are dropping their leaves and the acorns have been falling in huge numbers and very very fast.  Nature knows what we do not.  The peregrines leave not because of the temperatures, we know they can/do survive Winnipeg winters if they want to - Madame was here from 1990 to 2004 year round.  They are moving because prey species are moving and because their hardwiring has picked up on some trigger - jet stream maybe, change in prevailing winds, angle of the light, ozone levels in the air, something. 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on September 05, 2012, 09:31
Ah... lots of things to consider, more than just the temperature. :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: allikat on September 08, 2012, 23:26
Yep, pretty much just watch nature to find out what's really goin' on out there!!! 
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 09, 2012, 07:16
Birdie sitting on the South facing "S" last evening, facing West into the sunset.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Cooper on September 09, 2012, 13:54
Birdie sitting on the South facing "S" last evening, facing West into the sunset.

Interesting. I saw the same scenario earlier in the day, although no sunset. This was at 10:40 in the morning.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 09, 2012, 14:34
Good to know, I am either running past there in the very early morning or at dusk. I guess there's a good breeze up there in the summer and a last little bit of warmth in the autumn..or maybe they just enjoy a good sunset. I've been on the top floor of that building and the view is breathtaking. You really get a sense of how green Winnipeg really is.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: bev. on September 12, 2012, 16:50
Glad to hear your hacked birds are doing well.

they all seem to leave at different times but I think the hacked birds leave earlier. I have seen that here in the last 2 years, with our hacked birds.

some of our young ones in other years have left in mid august and some have stayed till 3rd week in sept. They go when their inner time clock tells them.  We were corrie when one of ours left so earlier a few years ago but he was spotted along the migration path by a bird watcher and band number was verified by Gord.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: photosbydennis on September 15, 2012, 06:49
It was confirmed that Beau was perched at the Diner Thursday ( Sept 13th. ) afternoon...no sign of Jules
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 17, 2012, 22:24
One of the West Winnipeg girls just made a trip into the US but was only there for the day before returning north of the border and I believe back to her sister near Lake Winnipeg ...
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: bcbird on September 17, 2012, 22:53
One of the West Winnipeg girls just made a trip into the US but was only there for the day before returning north of the border and I believe back to her sister near Lake Winnipeg ...

Tsk, another example of same day cross border shopping?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 17, 2012, 23:05
One of the West Winnipeg girls just made a trip into the US but was only there for the day before returning north of the border and I believe back to her sister near Lake Winnipeg ...

Tsk, another example of same day cross border shopping?
Are you serious, like she just went down to the states for the day??
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on September 18, 2012, 08:48
One of the West Winnipeg girls just made a trip into the US but was only there for the day before returning north of the border and I believe back to her sister near Lake Winnipeg ...
That IS very interesting. She must be be really bonded to her sister. LOL! ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 18, 2012, 12:05
One of the West Winnipeg girls just made a trip into the US but was only there for the day before returning north of the border and I believe back to her sister near Lake Winnipeg ...

Tsk, another example of same day cross border shopping?
Are you serious, like she just went down to the states for the day??

Yup, down and back.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: sami on September 18, 2012, 16:02
Don't suppose she stopped to declare anything at the border. ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 18, 2012, 16:07
Just got a report that one of the WW females turned up back at the hack site looking for free food ... and yes, she got it!  :D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: transplanted maple on September 19, 2012, 13:00
What was she think, that she lives in lower B.C... LOL
See life was better at home..
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on September 19, 2012, 18:44
Just got a report that one of the WW females turned up back at the hack site looking for free food ... and yes, she got it!  :D
Hmmm... interesting. So, as long as any of the WW fledglings continue to show up at the hack site, they'll continue to be fed, even if they have learned to hunt for themselves? :-\
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 19, 2012, 22:53
Just got a report that one of the WW females turned up back at the hack site looking for free food ... and yes, she got it!  :D
Hmmm... interesting. So, as long as any of the WW fledglings continue to show up at the hack site, they'll continue to be fed, even if they have learned to hunt for themselves? :-\

No, just luck in this case, the bird was there long enough for the attendant to chase up a treat for her.  She'll be gone shortly from what I have seen of the migration patterns in the US.  A couple of captive-bred birds released this year are spending more time south of the border now and we are seeing this year's birds (adults and kids) much less often and for shorter periods of time, so 'tis that time of the year.  The treat was so they could get her to hang around a bit longer so they could get a look at her to try to see how she'd been faring.  And she looked good!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Cooper on September 20, 2012, 09:07
Somebirdy at the diner this morning at about 8:30 on the "v" facing west.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 20, 2012, 09:31
Somebirdy at the diner this morning at about 8:30 on the "v" facing west.

hey Cooper - the bird was facing west?  there isn't a "v" on the west side of the building ...  ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 20, 2012, 16:43
I just came home and saw the birdie is sitting on the "v" facing south. I don't think I've seen them on the v before.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: RCF on September 20, 2012, 17:43
Somebirdy at the diner this morning at about 8:30 on the "v" facing west.

hey Cooper - the bird was facing west?  there isn't a "v" on the west side of the building ...  ???

Couldn't the birdie be facing west and still be sitting on the "v"?  :-\  ???
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 20, 2012, 18:14
Yes if they sat sideways. I saw one like that last week on another letter.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Cooper on September 21, 2012, 09:09
Somebirdy at the diner this morning at about 8:30 on the "v" facing west.

hey Cooper - the bird was facing west?  there isn't a "v" on the west side of the building ...  ???

You are right, technically, the v is on the south side of the building. However, I see all the letters as I approach from the west (heading east) in the same way as I see all the letters on the east side as I'm heading west. So I tend to think of the lettered sides as east and west. Often the birds are sitting on the east side as the sun comes up in the morning and on the other side soaking up the sun as it sinks in the west.

So my mistake. Although on this particular occasion the bird WAS sitting sideways and facing west. :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 23, 2012, 11:48
Somebirdy at the diner this morning at about 8:30 on the "v" facing west.

hey Cooper - the bird was facing west?  there isn't a "v" on the west side of the building ...  ???

You are right, technically, the v is on the south side of the building. However, I see all the letters as I approach from the west (heading east) in the same way as I see all the letters on the east side as I'm heading west. So I tend to think of the lettered sides as east and west. Often the birds are sitting on the east side as the sun comes up in the morning and on the other side soaking up the sun as it sinks in the west.

So my mistake. Although on this particular occasion the bird WAS sitting sideways and facing west. :)

Not a mistake Cooper, just required a clarification ... it also helps to inform how folks view the location.  Good sighting!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 23, 2012, 20:16
When you look at the building on Google earth, The "south" vs "west" wall is aimed slightly south west. Maybe this is why it seems to look in both directions?!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 27, 2012, 10:37
Jules turned up at the Bleachers yesterday in the late afternoon.  Couldn't see Beau so he may be on his way south ...

Also, McDermot from the Radisson has been hanging out with Juliet and Lilith - his transmitter burped up some information last week and obviously our boy is enough of a ladies man at this young age that he has succumbed to siren lure of the WW "chicks".  Ivy had a fling with Jules in his pre-Princess days, who knows we might see McDermot with Juliet or Lilith together in a couple of years if the son is a feather off the old block  ;)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: bcbird on September 27, 2012, 21:54
What if they show him the hack site.  Would he get fed?
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on September 28, 2012, 15:04
What if they show him the hack site.  Would he get fed?

They aren't getting fed anymore at the hack site rather I think they are just hanging out there and near there, not unlike when the resident adults take off for a couple of weeks after the kids are grown and then suddenly reappear at the nestsite for a a week or two before heading off for points south.  
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: birdcamfan on September 29, 2012, 08:06
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: susha on September 29, 2012, 12:08
I love the drama!  McDermot and the twins ;D  Which one will he choose...or will one of them choose him? :-*

Nice to dream of our birds returning to the province of their hatching to settle in and raise their own families :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on October 13, 2012, 17:28
Haven't seen Beaur or Jules out in West Winnipeg for awhile, so assume that they have flown the nestsite so to speak.  Their girls are on their way as well according to their transmitters.  At last report, one was in Iowa, the other just north of Iowa in southern Minnesota.
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: dupre501 on October 15, 2012, 00:18
Thanks for the update on the chicks!
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on October 30, 2012, 00:43
One of the West Winnipeg girls is in Arkansas, the other is in Illinois.  See the Radisson thread for more info on our Arkansas tourist :)
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: The Peregrine Chick on December 28, 2012, 15:17
Update on the West Winnipeg girls & McDermot ... as of December 19th.

The West Winnipeg girls decided not to migrate far (relatively speaking) this year.  Lilith and Juliet were in Arkansas and Iowa/Illinois back at the end of  October and that is as far as they got.  McDermot had made it to Little Rock, Arkansas before both the girls and was still in the area in October.  I've included some distances here - they are all very very approximate since I don't know exactly where the birds are, I am just using a general area, I could be out by a couple of hundred kms in any direction.  The distances are just to give you a general idea of how far, or not far in this year's case, our birds have gone this winter! 

Lilith however died on November 19th near the wetland where she had been overwintering.  Looks like natural causes according to the local wildlife officials who went to track her down.  The wetland is isolated and behind a bunch of locked gates so a collision with another bird perhaps or with a tree near the wetland (she was found near the base of a cottonwood).  Unlikely it was due to starvation, she was parked at a wetland with prey available, so like the rest of our 2012 deaths, a natural (non-human-related) death.  Too bad, she was a neat bird, lots 'o spunk! 

Juliet is fine however, still near Iowa/Ilinois border and it will be interested to watch her northward progression - I don't know her exact location but she's approximately 1000km away from Winnipeg (Lilith was about 700km further south when she died).  It will be interesting to see when she starts north (if she goes north of course) and where she ends up - a 2011 peregrine with a transmitter spend the summer in the Minot area with a couple of day trips around and about.  Who knows where Juliet may decide to hang out ...

McDermot's transmitter has been providing data, not sure how regularly but we do know that after making it to Little Rock in October, he decided to backtrack and he is currently hanging out in the Memphis, Tennessee area.  That puts him about 600km south of Juliet and about 300km from where Lilith died.  He looks to be doing well though.

The other hacked birds with transmitters are all further south - Texas, Louisiana and Mexico.  Looks like the wild-hatched chicks were rebels this year, which may be a good thing or not, we will just have to wait and see!


Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: Kinderchick on December 29, 2012, 22:07
Good to hear news of the WW girls & McDermot, of course. But very sad to hear of Lilith's death. :'(
Title: Re: West Winnipeg - 2012 / August - December
Post by: allikat on December 31, 2012, 18:43
All the best to these birds!  We wish them well and safe travel!!!  March will be here before we know it!!!