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Manitoba Peregrines => Selkirk Peregrines => Topic started by: The Peregrine Chick on July 26, 2012, 17:36
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Another one of Trey's and Princess' kids just reappeared on a nest. This time it is in Selkirk in a crows' nest that is in very bad condition. Bad enough that I believe it was cause of the death of a chick at about banding age. That was about two weeks ago. There appears to have only been two chicks that survived to banding age at this site - the chick I mentionned and the chick that looks to have just fledged in the last few days. That's our best guess at least.
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The female is unbanded and I have named her "Paris".
(http://www.pbase.com/speciesatrisk/image/145004319/medium.jpg)
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The male is Ty, 2009 wild-hatched male from the Radisson Hotel, from the last nest of Trey and Princess.
His siblings are Tupper (we've had no reports on him) and Vesper (died Jan 2011 in Texas).
Don't have a photo of Ty from this year yet, but I do have this one from 2010 when he hung with Sandy at the Radisson in the Fall ...
(http://www.pbase.com/speciesatrisk/image/133225012/medium.jpg)
In appearance, I think perhaps he looks more like Trey than many of Trey's other kids, but I need to watch him a bit more before I would say that for sure.
Just an impression looking at him this year.
Check out the gallery at http://www.pbase.com/speciesatrisk/radisson_101009&page=all
(on the gallery photos, note the white/light feathers on the back of his head - he still has those!)
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Here is our first and maybe only photo of Ty's and Paris' chick ...
(http://www.pbase.com/speciesatrisk/image/145004320/medium.jpg)
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How exciting to have all grown up and handsome Ty back and in action!
I wonder if the non nestbox like choice of nest reflects Ty's early life influences of the Tupperware nest on the side ledge?
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That's great news about Ty returning to nest in Manitoba 8) and very sad news about the death of the one chick. :(
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Keeping secrets on us now TPC :-X Just kidding, I totally understand that a new nestsite would be fragile and you wouldn't want to attract any more attention to it than possible. How exciting to have another nesting pair in Manitoba. Great to see Ty back and even more wonderful to hear that one of their chicks made it to fledge.
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Another one of Trey's and Princess' kids just reappeared on a nest. This time it is in Selkirk in a crows' nest that is in very bad condition. Bad enough that I believe it was cause of the death of a chick at about banding age. That was about two weeks ago. There appears to have only been two chicks that survived to banding age at this site - the chick I mentionned and the chick that looks to have just fledged in the last few days. That's our best guess at least.
Awesome to know that a chick that we watched a couple years ago, had returned to the Manitoba area, nested and had 1 surviving chick. Goes to show you the efforts of the project are so worth it! ;D
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I should have said earlier that until July 24th, had no idea this nest existed - Lila P, a fan of the falcon cams back to Ty's day (what a conincidence!) emailed me about falcons near her home. I couldn't get out right away but a friend of mine who lives in Selkirk (Chris B) said he would take his camera and take a look. He called to say they were peregrines (they are his pictures I posted) so I scuttled out very early the next day to check them out - and lo and behold, three birds waiting out the rain. When the rain ended, I hung out for a bit longer, in part to dry out before driving home, in part in hope that the birds would preen and stretch after sitting for so long getting wet. And they did. First the bird lower down stretched but all I could see was the silver band I'd been watching. Then he moved his other foot back and I could read his band with the spotting scope. He stayed like that for a couple of minutes so I was able to read it a few times and write it on the back of my hand for safekeeping. The female was up higher and the angle and light weren't good but I thought, why not see if I could at least get a glimpse since I had one band. She just sat and preened and I thought, nope, not going to work. Seemed like forever, actually it was about 10, maybe 15 minutes when she decided to stand up and stretch a bit, not a full stretch, wings and tail and feet, which was good because I'd never had been able to see past the support structure she was sitting on - instead just a little foot stretch and I could see both feet clear as day - huge feet (so confirmed it was the female - she's not that big a bird) and not a band in sight on either foot.
As for their choice of nestsite - nope, don't suspect it has anything to do with Ty's nestledge upbringing in this case. The site is at one of the higher structures around town, none of which have anything the birds can nest on - sort of the same situation at the Brandon Tower, no place on the tower to nest normally, but with a crow's nest, suddenly there is at least a surface of sorts. Nothing about this site is reminiscent of the nestledge, so I think it was a case of best options. We are going to talk to the structure's owners about the potential for installing a nestbox so long as it won't be a hazard or interfere with their operations at the site. I think with a box, this site could be a safer site if birds want to use it in the future. Without the box, I'm not sure how safe this crows' nest (which is now at least 3 years old according to my information) will just become more unstable and unsafe and I would hate to take a chance with these birds if they came back next year. So I suspect the nest will come down whether or not a box goes up. Fortunately we are working on other boxes here in Winnipeg which might be an alternative for Ty and Paris if they return. Would love to have a pair in Selkirk though - near the river, near lots of wetlands (Netley-Libau and Oak Hammock), has busy streets but not terrifyingly so.
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That's great news about another nesting pair in Manitoba!
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How exciting, especially that it's one of our home grown boys! Wow... at this rate, we are going to need to clone you TPC. However are you going to keep up with so many sites?
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How exciting, especially that it's one of our home grown boys! Wow... at this rate, we are going to need to clone you TPC. However are you going to keep up with so many sites?
Clone, smone, I will love every second of next spring if everyone comes back. Even more so if we actually have new tenants at the new nestboxes we'd like to get in place this fall. No better way to spend a cold blowy March morning than trying to hunker down out of the wind at the back of Dennis' truck trying to read a band number on a bird that "just doesn't look like <insert name of a Manitoba peregrine>". I know that sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm not. Fledging is nerve-wracking but the rest is mostly just hoping you have one more hour in the day to get this last task done. :D
As for how to keep up? With the help of Dennis (and his truck), Eye-Spy (and his cameras), Dr Bob, the Brandon Gang, the CBC Falcon Cams, the Forum and Phanatics, the fledgewatchers and calls from the public - like Lila P who emailed me about Ty and Paris just in time for us to catch them at the nest!
Now all we have to do is hope that everyone stays safe over the winter and finds their way back up here!
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OMG! This is such exciting news! Another nesting pair of PF's in Manitoba! And Ty, one of our former Radisson chicks, to boot! Couldn't be better news! ;D So glad to hear that you got to observe both of the parents and their lone fledgling, TPC! 8)
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Very exciting news! ;D
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So exciting!! Ty's back and has a family! How amazing it'll be if he returns next year and nests in a safe place with Paris :) I hope his one remaining chick stays safe. :-*
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Update as of this morning, courtesy of Dennis ... Ty and Paris have two surviving chicks - looks like one male and one female!
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Update as of this morning, courtesy of Dennis ... Ty and Paris have two surviving chicks - looks like one male and one female!
That is even better news!
Did Dennis get some pictures?
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Wow in Selkirk, I work there, are you able to share the location, I could keep an eye out during my lunch hoir adn before and after work. Excitign.
:) :) :)
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Update as of this morning, courtesy of Dennis ... Ty and Paris have two surviving chicks - looks like one male and one female!
Wonderful news.
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Wow in Selkirk, I work there, are you able to share the location, I could keep an eye out during my lunch hoir adn before and after work. Excitign.
:) :) :)
If I was looking I would look for a place like a water tower or maybe even a communications tower, someplace up high, didn't TPC say there was a crows nest in poor condition that they nested in. You might see the fledglings and the parents in and around that area. :)
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Update as of this morning, courtesy of Dennis ... Ty and Paris have two surviving chicks - looks like one male and one female!
WOW! 2 surviving chicks! Even better news! :D
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I am so happy for Manitoba. You are getting more and more pairs.
Great news on two youngsters
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Well, well, well.....
This is absolutely wonderful & exciting news! Way to go Ty, what a trooper! It is definitely in the genes!!!
Good luck next year Ty, we hope, (and want) to see you next year!!! More peregrines, the better!!!
Time to be the phanatics we are meant to be.....funding is required!
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Do have some photos and will be working on a Selkirk Gallery soon.
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One of the Selkirk chicks is in rehab - not injured so either blown about in the storm yesterday or it was the second chick and first fledge was not ideal. Means we will be able to get a band on at least one of these chicks and yes, I already have a name or two prepped and waiting to be used, but you will have to wait until after the chick has been banded and returned to the nestsite. Not sure when that will be, we need to arrange schedules the rehabber and I and in the meantime the "kid" will be getting extra helpings of quail and its own private accomodations.
More news as I have it.
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So glad to hear that one of the Selkirk chicks was not injured. Also glad to hear that you will be able to band one of them! :D
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Time to be the phanatics we are meant to be.....funding is required!
You are so right Alli, and now particularly with one in rehab getting room service.
500 dollars for the nest box, 5 dollars a meal, I think we should get busy and help out here.
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One of the Selkirk chicks is in rehab - not injured so either blown about in the storm yesterday or it was the second chick and first fledge was not ideal. Means we will be able to get a band on at least one of these chicks and yes, I already have a name or two prepped and waiting to be used, but you will have to wait until after the chick has been banded and returned to the nestsite. Not sure when that will be, we need to arrange schedules the rehabber and I and in the meantime the "kid" will be getting extra helpings of quail and its own private accomodations.
More news as I have it.
The "kid" love it! Sounds like it just got shook up a bit during that nasty storm. Hope it mends soon.
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Wow TPC, this province wide gaggle of teenagers has sure kept you busy this year. Thank you for keeping us updated.
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Update on the Selkirk "kid" in rehab ... little terror doesn't want to eat as much as Lisa would like him/her to eat so they are going to make sure s/he eats today so we can get him/her back out to Mum and Dad asap.
The bird is fine, just being obstinate. Good sign that it doesn't like people messing around with him/her. :)
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Update on the Selkirk "kid" in rehab ... little terror doesn't want to eat as much as Lisa would like him/her to eat so they are going to make sure s/he eats today so we can get him/her back out to Mum and Dad asap.
The bird is fine, just being obstinate. Good sign that it doesn't like people messing around with him/her. :)
"They are going to make sure s/he eats today"
Well that should be an interesting activity!!! And how do you do that...will there be photos?..standby first aid people for Lisa...
Good grief!
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Update on the Selkirk "kid" in rehab ... little terror doesn't want to eat as much as Lisa would like him/her to eat so they are going to make sure s/he eats today so we can get him/her back out to Mum and Dad asap.
The bird is fine, just being obstinate. Good sign that it doesn't like people messing around with him/her. :)
"They are going to make sure s/he eats today"
Well that should be an interesting activity!!! And how do you do that...will there be photos?..standby first aid people for Lisa...
Good grief!
No photos ::) You guys and photos ;)
Nothing so traumatic for either Lisa or the chick. When chick yells, food goes in. In order to yell again, food must be swallowed. Yell again, more food. That's a common technique, there are others that are a bit more medical in technique but they are all tried, true, quick and effective. This chick is old enough to pull its own food apart and feed itself but it's being obstinate. Evenutally it would eat but it doesn't like being in care and is as a result burning through its stored reserves quickly and we don't want it to do that as we want to get it back with its parents asap.
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...When chick yells, food goes in...
LOL! Sounds a lot like my cat! ;) Seriously though, I was wondering, is the procedure much like feeding a hack box raised chick, TPC? How does one inhibit the bird from imprinting on humans while in rehab? Or does imprinting only occur if the chick has not yet fledged????
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Hey, I have complete faith in you guys - It was just interesting to imagine different scenarios... and best of all to then learn how it is done.
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...When chick yells, food goes in...
LOL! Sounds a lot like my cat! ;) Seriously though, I was wondering, is the procedure much like feeding a hack box raised chick, TPC? How does one inhibit the bird from imprinting on humans while in rehab? Or does imprinting only occur if the chick has not yet fledged????
Imprinting on humans or other species only occurs when the chick is young. The West Winnipeg chicks were imprinting on a location so they knew where to come back to for food and that occurs later in development. For the Selkirk chick, it won't imprint in a nice way on humans as a result of its time in rehab - it doesn't like being around humans so chances are it will never really be happy when humans are around it or it's nestsite. Not a bad thing since the chick is going back into the wild. If the bird were non-releaseable, then the handler/falconer would need to spend alot of time convincing the bird that at least some humans aren't scary.
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I am so appreciative of the effort TPC puts forth to keep us up to date on these details.
It seems this season has produced a lot of variety and some surprises in nesting, banding, fledging and hacking situations at the various Manitoba nestsites. It has been very interesting to learn about different situations involved with aiding the peregrine species to recover.
Thanks, Tracy!!
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I know I'm late to the party but congratulations, what wonderful news!! I'm thrilled to hear you have plans for more nest boxes TPC and are looking out for this pair especially!
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The year was 2009 when Ty was banded on the ledge with no close-up photos and it was exciting to confirm this for myself that he has returned, though he didn't want to perch a little lower down...perhaps another day.
Selkirk gallery has been started... http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/selkirk
Hopefully I can revisit the location in the day's to come.
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Great pictures Dennis!!
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Chick is back in Selkirk at the nestsite and we are keeping an eye on the site to make sure the adults accept him back without problems. Its purely preventative, we haven't ever had problems with parents accepting a rehabbed chick so no reason to think there might be one here, but we want to make sure since neither of the parents were at the site when we dropped the chick off. Chick had had a meal in the morning (quail of course) and we put him somewhere safe at the nestsite, so his immediate needs (food, water and safety) were fulfilled.
The chick is male (as you have guessed :)) and small for a male but given that Ty isn't big and nor does it look like Paris is either, not really surprising. Very aggressive, didn't like Lisa and most certainly didn't like me during the banding. Was happy enough to sit freely on my hand during his release so he's an interesting little terror. We've named him Daer. Lord Daer is the title given to the heirs of the Lords of Selkirk, so as a son of Selkirk it seemed appropriate to give him this name - particularly in the year of the 200th anniversary of the Selkirk Settlement and (hopefully) the first year of peregrine settlement in Selkirk.
A friend of mine took some photos at the banding (I had my hands full) and I'll post them in the next couple of days.
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Thank you so much TPC, for this update on the Selkirk chick, Daer. I look forward to the photos of this little "Dear"???? ;D ;D ;D
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TPC, besides your knowledge of this birds ... :)...history lessons too.
Good luck to the watchers..
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The chick is male (as you have guessed :)) and small for a male but given that Ty isn't big and nor does it look like Paris is either, not really surprising. Very aggressive, didn't like Lisa and most certainly didn't like me during the banding. Was happy enough to sit freely on my hand during his release so he's an interesting little terror. We've named him Daer. Lord Daer is the title given to the heirs of the Lords of Selkirk, so as a son of Selkirk it seemed appropriate to give him this name - particularly in the year of the 200th anniversary of the Selkirk Settlement and (hopefully) the first year of peregrine settlement in Selkirk.
Tracy I love that you give the chicks such interesting names.
I always look forward to reading the history behind their names.
So why did you give Paris her name?
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Tracy I love that you give the chicks such interesting names.
I always look forward to reading the history behind their names.
So why did you give Paris her name?
Its a bit of a play on information related to the person who first reported the pair. And no, the person's name isn't "Paris", I'm a bit superstitious about naming birds after living people, we haven't had good luck with birds named that way. And since they chose a communications tower which none of our others have, Paris also brought to mind the Eiffel Tower which is not only a tower, but is the tallest structure in France because of the communications antennae on the top (the Millau Viaduct is taller than just the tower).
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I see from Dennis' latest pictures of Selkirk chick, Daer or the other(?) that the cute little mohawk is still in vogue.
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I see from Dennis' latest pictures of Selkirk chick, Daer or the other(?) that the cure little mohawk is still in vogue.
The "other" I think ... but maybe not ... I think Dennis' photos are from the same day that Daer when down ... I'll have to take a closer look ...
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How exciting, especially that it's one of our home grown boys! Wow... at this rate, we are going to need to clone you TPC. However are you going to keep up with so many sites?
Clone, smone, I will love every second of next spring if everyone comes back. Even more so if we actually have new tenants at the new nestboxes we'd like to get in place this fall. No better way to spend a cold blowy March morning than trying to hunker down out of the wind at the back of Dennis' truck trying to read a band number on a bird that "just doesn't look like <insert name of a Manitoba peregrine>". I know that sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm not. Fledging is nerve-wracking but the rest is mostly just hoping you have one more hour in the day to get this last task done. :D
As for how to keep up? With the help of Dennis (and his truck), Eye-Spy (and his cameras), Dr Bob, the Brandon Gang, the CBC Falcon Cams, the Forum and Phanatics, the fledgewatchers and calls from the public - like Lila P who emailed me about Ty and Paris just in time for us to catch them at the nest!
Now all we have to do is hope that everyone stays safe over the winter and finds their way back up here!
We all know that you love it, but still, your dedication has inspired us all to follow these amazing birds.
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Lord "Daer" - I love the name and I also enjoyed reading the thinking behind the name, with all of it's details! 8)
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Convinced Dennis to take a detour between the West Winnipeg and HSC nestsites so we could check on Daer. Even though I knew there was no reason for Paris or Ty to leave the Selkirk nestsite, I still wanted to check that Daer had been reunited with his parents and sibling - they weren't around when I released Daer.
It was pouring when we arrived but we could still see a bird sitting at the nestsite and we were pretty sure it was Paris so we checked out the tower and then started looking around for Ty and the kids. Because it was raining we had to keep cameras and field glasses from getting wet even if it meant we got soaked but we did find Ty a couple of blocks away having a meal and as wet as we were. He took off so we had another look at the nestsite then decided to go a little further afield so we started driving around looking for perching spots on trees, rooftops, signs and poles. And we were rewarded!! Dennis spotted both the boys (and yes, Daer's sibling looks to be a brother by his size) sitting about 100 feet away from each other in the rain. Daer was lower so we were able to see his band but his brother was higher and with the flat light not a great day to get a good look at him, but Dennis has some nice photos of him from an earlier visit so it will be interesting to see how the two boys differ in appearance.
It was still raining on cameras, field glasses and us, we took a break for a quick lunch and by the time we were done, Dennis had determined that we were down to 13 drops of rain in the puddle by the car per minute which meant the rain was pretty much over. Ever optimistic is our Dennis, but in this case, he was correct and the rain was pretty much done. The wind was still blowing more than a little bit but since the rain had stopped, the kids had decided that they wanted food so they came bombing back to the nestsite demanding food. The boys ended up following Ty as he was flying about - brother more than Daer though, not surprising since brother has been flying for almost a week longer.
Ty is moulting at the moment, so he's easier to identify on the wing, Paris is easier to identify in sunlight because she's brown and the boys are easy because they aren't very big. Brother might be about Ty's size but Daer is smaller. And it may take a few more of Dennis' photos to confrim but I think Ty may be the best looking of Trey's kids ...
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And to answer the question most of you have ... we are currently in the talks to install a nestbox at this location, so if y'all can wait until we have the details worked out and everyone is comfortable with the idea of having peregrines nesting close by, that would be great.
Now, for all you you saying "awww", the Selkirk chicks are all up and flying here and at two weeks post fledging (Brother went out we know by July 23rd, Daer went on July 28th) they aren't hanging out most of the time at the nestsite anymore. Remember by this point the Radisson chicks weren't coming back to the box/ledge regularly and we turned the cams off because the Brandon chicks were rarely on-camera at this age. At least half of all visits to the Selkirk nestsite have not resulted in any sightings. We got lucky today because the birds were tucked up waiting out the rain and we were able to track them down over a period of a couple of hours. Even then, we only found them for short periods before they were off and moving again, so maybe we were more than lucky today and with better weather for the next week (sunny, mid-20s C and lighter winds) we may very well not get another chance like today's this year ...
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Thanks so much for all the updates - great to open the forum site and see so much. And thanks to all who do so much helping with and reporting to us about the peregrines...and with photos, too.
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It will be great to see Dennis' pictures of Daer contrasted with his brother. Wow... handsomest of Trey's kids, and mated to a glamorous Paris... their youngsters could turn out to be stunners!
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Perhaps a good day for chasing birds...I wouldn't be doing much flying in a monsoon if I was a bird !
Not a great day for photographing, between trying to keep the equipment dry, dull grey sky and finding a location that was out of the wind that would work for shooting...it worked out.
A number of new photos have been added.
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/selkirk
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Made a stop in Selkirk today and checked the prime location then on to other locations that I thought might attract them...no luck.
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I think perhaps that Selkirk, and probably the Brandon Tower site, are going to be nestsites that you can see the birds when they are nesting but they will be harder to find once the chicks start flying. For those not sure what I mean, we saw the Radisson chicks for weeks after they fledged, still see the Brandon chicks semi-regularly, but the Selkirk chicks/birds have been not visible at the nestsite since about the second week after fledging. With the spread out nature of the perches in Selkirk/at the Brandon Tower site, this may mean once the kids have a handle on flying the parents take them off to spots closer to food or keep moving them about since they aren't dependent on the nest anymore.
Just my impression ...