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Manitoba Peregrines => U of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta => : bev. March 25, 2009, 08:48

: U of Alberta - 2009 / Damon & Radisson
: bev. March 25, 2009, 08:48
I am so sorry I never got the slide shows done. I was just done in. :( :(

I won't make promises but maybe for the start of the season.
I have not checked yet but I will be down there on Thursday to see if they are back yet. I have contacted the cams to see when they will be up. I got a reply  Monday night saying they will check on it.

so I am starting to get butterflies and we have had so much drama the past few years.
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: carly March 25, 2009, 09:24
Welcome back Bev, we have missed you  :D!  I was thinking about your peregrines when we learned the Winnepeg pair might be back.  I hope there is no drama at your site this year either and everyone makes it back safe and sound.
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: bcbird March 25, 2009, 10:29
Hi Bev!
Please don't stress about that slide show.  It was a very special gift you gave to us of your time as you shared your observations of the UofA site.  Your story with photos of Cassie and Hope as they fledged and continued to thrive was incredible.  Some day you may make more of it, but please don't put time pressure on yourself.
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: Liz March 25, 2009, 18:39
I agree.  You put SO much work into it last year, so we all felt like we were there too.  AS nice as they would be to see, I'd rather you saved your energy for this year!  lol  Seriously, just do it a your leisure. 
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: Alison March 28, 2009, 13:19
Hi Bev!
Please don't stress about that slide show.  It was a very special gift you gave to us of your time as you shared your observations of the UofA site.  Your story with photos of Cassie and Hope as they fledged and continued to thrive was incredible.  Some day you may make more of it, but please don't put time pressure on yourself.

Very well said, bcbird! I too really enjoyed watching the progress of Cassie and Hope last year, thanks to Bev's dedicated coverage. It was almost like being there.
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: Alison March 28, 2009, 13:21
I don't know if Bev is aware of this, but today two of the Edmonton cams are back online. No peregrines yet, but a couple of crows visited. It's a start . . .

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonmar283a.jpg)
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: maggieblue March 28, 2009, 14:07
Those look like huge crows.  And the nestbox looks almost pristine.  I wonder if the crows cleaned it out or if they had a little help from humans. ::)  Either way it looks ready to go for 2009  ;D
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: carly March 28, 2009, 14:45
Oh my god, those are huge???  What the heck do you all feed those birds out there!!!
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: eagle63_1999 March 28, 2009, 18:45
They might be ravens who knows lol
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: carly March 28, 2009, 18:58
They give me the willies....the first thing that popped into my head was Alfred Hitcock's 'The Birds'! 
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: Alison March 28, 2009, 18:59
Oh my god, those are huge???  What the heck do you all feed those birds out there!!!

Well, there were all those leftovers in the nest! These birds are huge - maybe they are ravens. I thought crows because I've seen crows here before.

They came back again, and they had food from somewhere.

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonmar284a.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonmar287a.jpg)
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: carly March 28, 2009, 19:04
Please tell me that the falcons can kick their butts??!!  I assume they can but the size of them is scary  >:(
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: allikat March 28, 2009, 19:09
I think that as long as there are only two of them...the falcons can defend their nest if they decide to nest here again.  However, if there are more, they will attack as a group and then it becomes dangerous for the falcon who is fighting for the territory!!!  Let's all hope the Ravens leave before the falcons come back as they may have decided this is their nest now  >:(
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: carly March 28, 2009, 19:11
I was afraid of that, I vote we send Bev a hard hat and a really, big broom just in case they need a hand  ;)
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: allikat March 28, 2009, 19:36
Maybe Bev and someone there will have something up their sleeves to drive the Ravens out of there so the falcons can nest ther  :-\

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: eagle63_1999 March 28, 2009, 20:25
They are either crows or ravens, that's all I can say lol  Omg Carly you have such a wonderful sense of humor. Yes Bev, get your hard hat out and big broom!
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: The Peregrine Chick March 29, 2009, 00:10
They are ravens ... the beak is the give-away in the photos ...

Check out Cornell to see the differences - Crows (http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/American_Crow.html) / Ravens (http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Common_Raven.html) - particularly if they decide to say and play on-camera for awhile
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: maggieblue March 29, 2009, 08:11
Uuh oh  ???  There are more large twigs in the box this morning.  Looks like the Ravens may be nest building.  I was hoping that they were just cleaning up the left overs.  Carly, you had better send off that hardhat and broom  :D
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: carly March 29, 2009, 10:54
The inside cam is not working for me, all I see is a brown screen.  Only the outside view is clear.

I've sent an S.O.S. email to Bev...hehe!
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: allikat March 29, 2009, 10:58
I don't like that these Ravens are still "visiting" this nest  >:( 
I hope they are gone before these falcons come back  :-[
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: carly March 29, 2009, 11:33
Ick..just saw one of them enter the nest box again, they really have taken over  :'(
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: allikat March 29, 2009, 11:45
I was afraid of that...
Ravens....yuck!!!
I wonder if there is anyone there that can kick them out of that nestbox?  I don't know if they are going to make a nest inside the box or use it as is...they always make enormous nests at the top of tall mature trees....which sometimes, falcons use after the Ravens and/or crows have left it. 
All I know is that they do get very discouraged if the nest they build is dismantled (help of humans here)...but I don't know the access to this falcon nestbox as it may be very difficult to get to.  So if they do build a nest in a nest, not sure if anyone can interveen and discourage them so they leave... ???
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: carly March 29, 2009, 13:43
Well they're building a nest for sure, they keep coming in with sticks and branches  :(  . 

And a raven pair can fend off a peregrine falcon, I've been googling:

" Ravens can hold their own (oftentimes through strength in numbers) against eagles, hawks, falcons and vultures.

Nesting territories are guarded year round. Ravens will even drive off other ravens if local foraging opportunities are slim. Only Peregrine Falcons are tolerated/respected enough to be allowed to nest nearby. This is not to say ravens fear Peregrines. The raven's ability to fly upside-down and defend itself with both claws and beak is enough to thwart even the fearsome dive-bombing attack of a Peregrine."
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: birdcamfan March 29, 2009, 14:13
There is a lot of building going on here. They come every 5 to 10 minutes with sticks and material. They certainly look like they have the parental urge going on!
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: allikat March 29, 2009, 16:33
Ravens are ugly....meaning they are aggressive  >:(

The only thing that can be done now is for someone from the project to go and destroy their nest to drive them out of there. 
They will however keep trying in the same spot so unfortunately, if the project doesn't want to tackle this nest everytime they have almost completed it, then, it looks like these Ravens have found themselves a new home  >:(
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: Alison March 29, 2009, 16:59
This is not a good sign:

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonmar295a.jpg)
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: allikat March 29, 2009, 17:06
NOPE!!!  This isn't a good sign at all  >:(

I hope Bev knows someone or the project can interfere several several times to get rid of them so they nest somewhere else!!!
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: Loriann March 29, 2009, 17:14
The symbolic meaning of the Raven in Native Indian lore describes the raven as a creature of metamorphosis, and symbolizes change/transformation.

 Perhaps it is time for a change at this nest, and as everything happens for a reason, maybe the Ravens know something we do not.

It is a great honor to be visited by Raven, and Raven usually brings a message.  As the message here is unclear, we should not wish ill will on the Ravens.

 :)

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: carly March 29, 2009, 17:17
Bev might be away with her hubbie but I did email her.  TPC also knows the project people though so maybe she can give them a heads up as to what is going on there.

I don't wish ill on them Loriann but you know if Transmitter Girl, Radisson or dad come back - they won't take this well and it could get ugly.  I don't want anyone to get hurt.  My worry is one falcon comes home alone this week and tries to take these 2 on alone  :'(
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: allikat March 29, 2009, 17:43
Yes Loriann, what you wrote is absolutely true and the Raven does symbolize change/transition. 
I never wish or want any harm to any living creature, however, what I meant by destroying their nests (not if any eggs are in there), before the peregrines come back, maybe even one at a time, is to simply avoid a territorial dispute.  Maybe you're right Loriann, they may no something we do not and I have no problem if they want to honor us with a visit but, would prefer for them to nest elsewhere. 
On one hand, we get to witness how the Ravens court, live and raise their young....on the other, we don't get to watch Peregrines, an endangered species, raise their chicks so we can band them for further information and to raise their numbers for the future. 
Peregrines are still in trouble and I'm just concerned that there will be a battle for this nest....which some can be to the death. 

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: The Peregrine Chick March 29, 2009, 18:58
Ask Raven to leave at this stage won't do anyone, except perhaps the "asker" any harm.  There isn't a nest yet, the pair are probably still in courtship mode.  Will see if I can't talk in-person on Monday with the Edmonton gang to find out what they have planned.  Will let you all know what I find out ....
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: Loriann March 30, 2009, 05:45
Well if 'George and Weezie" insist on 'moving on up- to a deee-lux apartment in the sky'..  then it should be interesting when the original tenants decide to revoke their lease.
 :o
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: carly March 30, 2009, 09:57
George and Weezie are back and more branches incoming..
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: Elaine L March 30, 2009, 13:16
We never used to have ravens here in Edmonton - I guess they are now expanding their range, after coming close to being wiped out of areas here in North America.  I hope TPC can tell us soon what the result is of her conversation with the Edmonton crew.  I don't want to see the ravens suffer or lose their eggs, but I want to see our peregrines return and breed safely.  This is a bad situation, with no winners.
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: irenekl March 30, 2009, 15:06
I live in the north east part of Winnipeg and as of last spring/summer we have alot of ravens/crows.  Not sure which they are.  They are very annoying and behave with alot of dominance.  Since they've moved in we have about half the number of songbirds.  I've been so angry with them until I watched a video on utube.  Check it out, it's called kitten and crow are friends (or something like that).  Hilarious and sweet!
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 17:18
We have crows primarily in this city (Edmonton too I suspect) because our urban forest is old enough (and tall enough) to provide nesting habitat for them.  Not to mention that we have lots of food here - human-derived (garbage, road kill, planted gardens) and naturally-derived (berries, bugs, eggs, chicks, small mammals).  They like to nest primarily in tall (over 50') spruce trees here, though I've seen them in large elms as well.  Not a bad thing since merlins need crows to make nests for them.  So if you have crows, you can have merlins.  Both are noisy but if you have merlins, you won't have crows.  As for the songbirds, the number of songbirds hasn't decreased (and yes, folks have actually done research on this) but rather they are being more secretive.  They aren't as vocal, they will sit in more dense cover (juniper, cedar) and they won't stick to a regular schedule at feeders or the like.  Crows (and squirrels, blue jays, grackles, raccoons) will predate nests (pretty much all nests) for eggs and chicks.  Merlins on the other hand, do wait until they are on the wing but they are much more enthusiastic and exhibitionistic diners - they like to eat on telephone poles or garage roofs.

So enjoy your adult, mature trees and if you would prefer merlins to crows, be glad the crows are there now.  Since the merlins don't repair the nests they use, they need to find new nests fairly frequently.  So if you have crows again this year, maybe next year for merlins ....

Help any?
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: bev. March 30, 2009, 17:23
Hi, guys

I am extremly  upset right now. I left all my e-mail adresses  at home so I cannot e-mails my biologist friends.  
Carly e-mailed me andI hope she  got my e-mail that said I would be out of town until Tuesday evening.
this does not look good and if I was at home I would be doing all I could to get rid of this nest. Not good at all

I am not sure if  the falcons would even try for the nest with this one in but if Tracy hears nothing I will get to the bottom of it on my return.   that is what  happens when cam is not up soon enough for us to see what is going on.

I do not know if the biologists are allowed to do anything by law????

Boy, Oh boy. Never  easy at this site.

I will be down  there on Wednesday to check  things out in person.  I will see if there are any falcons about and what not :o :o >:( >:(
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: bev. March 30, 2009, 17:30
Hi Tracy,
I chase all crows and merlins out of my area.  I love my song birds and my feeders and I do not tolerate them. just before I left  I heard my bluejays cacking and I looked out and there was a crow. the bluejays and the magpies shoed it out of the area. If they had not I would have.

I love my birds but I do not like them in residential areas.
at the end of las season there were  crows around the nest site, but not ravens . Now the university will not like the Ravens there be cause they like the peregrines chasing the pigeons.

I am shocked here. ::) ::)
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: carly March 30, 2009, 17:34
Bev!!  No I didn't get your email  :'(  I'm so sorry but relieved you will be home soon!  I was hoping you would have a more peaceful season this year.

U
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: Loriann March 30, 2009, 17:55
As I mentioned on a thread last year, we have resident Merlin's nesting in an old nest high up in the neighbours pine tree.  I too noticed a difference in the amount of song birds, but as tracy says, they are still there, just a bit more cautious.. ( throw down some bird seed and see how many come creeping out).

To me, a bird is a bird is a bird.. Each one has a place in the grand scheme of things, and while some may be more enjoyable to watch than others, each one is just as valuable in the food chain as the next.
Crows, and the much maligned Raven serve a great purpose in eating crap that other birds would not ... carrion, and rotting vegetation.
Like them or not, ravens are highly intelligent ( for a bird) and very interesting to watch.  I know you all want the falcons back in the nest, but if the Ravens are to be there, then so be it.  In nature, they have every right to 'squat' in that box . They have no idea that they are interferring with what 'we' as humans would prefer to have happen.

The same goes on in my yard every year.. the bird houses high up in the maple trees were meant for BIRDs, but our resident squirrels take over every time.  At first it annoyed me, but now, many years later, we get a great laugh watching them raise thier family.

we should have all learned a lesson that we cannot interfere in the ways of Nature.  The Ravens are not doing anything but trying to procreate .  something they are born and raised to do.

 
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 18:17
Hi Tracy,
I chase all crows and merlins out of my area.  I love my song birds and my feeders and I do not tolerate them. just before I left  I heard my bluejays cacking and I looked out and there was a crow. the bluejays and the magpies shoed it out of the area. If they had not I would have.

I love my birds but I do not like them in residential areas.
at the end of las season there were  crows around the nest site, but not ravens . Now the university will not like the Ravens there be cause they like the peregrines chasing the pigeons.

I am shocked here. ::) ::)

Question for you Bev - do you feed your birds all spring/summer?  If you do, you are contributing to the presence of the Merlins or crows because you are creating a ready food source for them.  Additionally, there is a debate concerning spring/summer feeding with commercial bird seed as it is not as nutritious as natural sources (bugs, berries, seeds) in the spring/summer when they are trying to feed themselves and young.  During the winter, the high fat content is a great way to help out birds during our long (long) cold winters.  All our bushes, trees, gardens and bird feeders are why residential areas have so many birds.  On the upside, having birds in your yard (and it sounds like you have good habitat there) you are improving survival rates and doubling/tripling the reproductive success of all your birds - passerines and raptors alike.  And the mammals too - squirrels, raccoons, skunk and deer will all eat your seed and eat your passerines. (It also apparently adds $10K to the value of your home!)

Its all a case of balance - for the merlins, its two months with a raptor in your area, then they move further afield when the chicks have fledged and all your songbirds come out of the woodwork and its pretty much back to normal.  With the crows it lasts a bit longer since they don't seem to want to move out of the neighbourhood so quickly.  There are techniques to have both though - Check out the Cornell Attracting Birds (http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/attracting/feeding/pests_birds) page for some of the easiest.  

Scaring off bird species we don't "like" is a tough argument.  We have damaged/destroyed existing habitat and some species suffer (raptors).  We create new habitat and some species prosper (songbirds, including introduced species like House Sparrows) but when the species we damaged are able to take advantage of the new habitat conditions, we protest.  I have feeders all winter and into the spring to get them started and I love having all the songbird, House Sparrows and all.  Come spring when the rest of our bird species return, I'm glad to see them all because I can't assign a greater value to one over the other, particularly since I'm the one manipulating their habitat for good and ill.
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 18:23
Haven't heard back from the folks in Edmonton yet, but they may decide to post a message on their website.  I will post any information I hear here of course, but I would suggest that you all check the webcam website occasionally in case they post there instead.

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: carly March 30, 2009, 18:28
I have been scouring the web to see if I could find anything about this situation.  I found an old report from 1998 from the University of Tennesee and it was cached, was the only way I could read it as it's not online anymore.

It was about Raven's vs Peregrines in the wild; the report says they often shared nest cliffs but not at the same time. In cases where their 'timing' overlapped, it said they fought to the death for the nest site...as both had established it as theirs.  Most of the time they said the peregrines won but in 3 recorded cases the ravens did...gah...! 

That's why I'm concerned, I can't see the tiercel whose been there for years giving up his site.  I know it's nature, I will keep telling myself that.
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 18:49
Can someone send me the link to this webcam??  For some reason, that seems to be the only cam I don't have in my favorites... ::)
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 19:00
Can someone send me the link to this webcam??  For some reason, that seems to be the only cam I don't have in my favorites... ::)

http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/topic,216.0.html (http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/topic,216.0.html)

When you are looking for links, I always try to set them up separately - usually with something like "Project Webcams" for a title.
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 19:03
As have mentioned in an earlier post....I wish no harm to any creature.  However, if humans can interfere in this matter to avoid a territorial battle between Ravens and Falcon(s), then I think we should.  I don't want to see a Falcon and/or a Raven injured because of this nest.
All we are trying to do is protect an endangered species...if we can.  And since we can, then we should!
We all can't predict, but if the falcons that have been nesting here for years do comeback to this nest....it will get ugly, and why can't we try to avoid that?  If the falcons don't come back to this nest site, then, we get to see Ravens raise their young and see how they live.  
We all understand that every bird has a right to be somewhere as they got to this nest first....because it wasn't occupied (yet), however instinct is powerful!  I hate to keep repeated myself here but, if humans can interveen to avoid an unnecessary battle which could lead to death(s).  I understand that it is nature and this happens all the time but it's a little different when this is a nestbox that humans built for the purpose of helping in the recovery of the peregrine falcon!
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 19:05
Can someone send me the link to this webcam??  For some reason, that seems to be the only cam I don't have in my favorites... ::)

http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/topic,216.0.html (http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/topic,216.0.html)

When you are looking for links, I always try to set them up separately - usually with something like "Project Webcams" for a title.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
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: carly March 30, 2009, 19:09
Good god, I think they've brought a tree in there..look at those branches! :-X
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 19:12
Slow down Allikat, there isn't a territorial dispute yet.  Don't look for trouble where there isn't any yet.

If the project staff can keep emptying out the nesting material the ravens will probably give up out of frustration and move to a new site before the peregrines turn up.  They have the same nesting imperative as everything else and if it looks like this site isn't going to work, then they will move.  Its a quick, simple, easy fix with no danger to anyone, except maybe from climbing all the stairs to the roof with the nestbox.

I've contacted the U of A folks as they seem to be the ones watching over the box.  I've also sent an email to the provincial wildlife agency in charge as a back-up.

Think happy thoughts Allikat  ;)
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: carly March 30, 2009, 19:16
We are a little passionate about our birds aren't we TPC?  And here you thought we had abandonned them for the little pandas  ;D 

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: irenekl March 30, 2009, 19:28
Well this is almost funny.  I read one post that says the ravens are good, appreciate them.  So I say to myself alright - come on in ravens and crows, ruin my life in the backyard where I used to watch all the little birds at my feeders.  Then I read another post from Bev telling how she chases them all away so she can enjoy the songbirds so I say Yes, me too!  Away with the ravens & crows!  Then Tracy pipes up again for all things natural - oh man what to do!?  I'm going to have a much closer look at this whole thing and see what the suggested site at Cornell tells me.  Thanks Tracy.
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 19:32
I know, I know, I got way to carried away there...I'm sorry about that.  
I read what I wrote after I posted it and thought, OH MY :o!!  
Didn't mean for that to come out so aggressive... my apologies   :-[
As TPC wrote, "Nothing has happened, so slow down!!!"   :-X

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: carly March 30, 2009, 19:38
It's my fault, I posted about the ravens vs falcons...so I'm sorry too.  Poor TPC..she's probably wishing she had a bigger shovel ;)
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 19:42
No No No Carly, it's not your fault...
And YES...TPC is probably wishing she had a bigger shovel   ;)
I wonder where Allikat would go??????
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: irenekl March 30, 2009, 19:59
I feel everyones pain.  It's very upsetting when there are intruders at a nest - no matter how healthy in the head we are!  It's always been said that nature is cruel so why wouldn't we react - a little ;)
Anyway, I get very upset watching what appears to be a kestrel nest at the Netherlands cam site.  I go there too everyday to watch the falcon nest.  There are terrible wars going on for some kind of bird who is incubating an egg and gyrfalcons and ravens are all intruding and making life very difficult for this poor mama.  I just want to stick my hand through the monitor, remove all the branches they bring in and shew them all away! If you go there click on the tape recordings to the right of the cam and watch the latest fight of today. (not too gruesome and they all appear okay later).
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: allikat March 30, 2009, 20:07
Thanks irenekl....I know what you mean though!  I wish that I could stick my hand through the monitor and help them all...but I can't  :(
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: irenekl March 30, 2009, 20:12
I could see in the netherland live cam a jogger go by and I wanted to yell at him to come over and sort out the troubles in the nest.  My daughter says I'm nuts but I figure with technology these days I should be able to do it!  It will be interesting what, if anything, the Edmonton folks will do.  I'm still not entirely convinced I can welcome the ravens and crows to my yard.
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: The Peregrine Chick March 30, 2009, 20:30
No need to welcome them, just need to recognize their place in the hierarchy and our contribution.  One thing you can do is wait until the fall and then break up their nest.  The birds and any of their chicks will be gone so no harm to them.  If they have to rebuild next year, they may move along, or they might rebuild and supplanted the year after by merlins who won't do any work on the nest and after a year or two the nest disintegrates and in the meantime the crows/ravens have re-established themselves elsewhere and it will take them a few years to work themselves back into your neighbourhood in the meantime, you will enjoy all your songbirds and whatever refugees turn up.

Look for the silver linings ... actually, having birds at all is a silver lining, so enjoy them.  Oh, and baby crows and ravens are so brutally ugly they are adorable and like most younglings, their first flights are usually a comedy of errors.  Silver linings folks  ;)
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: Liz March 30, 2009, 21:01
Can someone send me the link to this webcam??  For some reason, that seems to be the only cam I don't have in my favorites... ::)
That happened to me, too, and I definitely had it last year! 
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: birdcamfan March 30, 2009, 22:11
http://www.falconcam.med.ualberta.ca/cam1.html
Enjoy!
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: Liz March 30, 2009, 23:08
Thanks muchly, birdcamfan!   :) :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: maggieblue March 31, 2009, 09:16
Look for the silver linings ... actually, having birds at all is a silver lining, so enjoy them.  Oh, and baby crows and ravens are so brutally ugly they are adorable and like most younglings, their first flights are usually a comedy of errors.  Silver linings folks  ;)

I am lucky enough to live in part of the urban forest where there are many mature trees, elms, oaks, spruce, maples, pines, etc.  There are crows nesting in a nearby spruce tree.  I have to admit that most years I haven't been to happy to see them, especially when they are flying by with baby bunnies in the spring or ripping open garbage bags.  My attitude changed last summer when I saw what must have been a fledge and it was a comedy of errors on junior's part.  S/he was in a large tree flapping away, only about 6 feet off the ground and barely able to make it from branch to branch.  It looked like junior was being accompanied and encouraged by mom and dad.  One behind (riding shotgun perhaps?) and one in front encouraging, flying to the next tree, circling back and making encouraging noises, like, see you can do it, it's easy, come on.   ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: Alison March 31, 2009, 10:13
I don't know what is going to happen at this nest. The ravens seem to be really serious about building their nest in the box. Personally, I like ravens and crows - they are such intelligent birds. I just don't want to see any battles for territory between the ravens and the peregrines. This has always been such a hotly contested nest site, with at least two fatal territorial battles in the past. I had hoped this year would be somewhat more peaceful. I think the peregrines should be back any time now; last year I first saw a peregrine at this nest on April 7, but they could well have returned before then.

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: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: Elaine L March 31, 2009, 10:20
I agree with Alison about how intelligent ravens and crows are - you can add magpies, too, I think.  Magpies, from what I have observed, are very family-oriented, alert, and I dare say, funny birds.  Unfortunately, in my part of town, they are always having gang wars with the crows, and both are fierce defenders of their territory.  Meanwhile, at the nest-site here with the ravens, how soon before an egg is laid?  If it is really soon, then I hate to see the Edmonton group destroy the nest with eggs in it; on the other hand, if they can remove the nesting material before egg-laying, and the ravens give up the nest before the peregrines return, then all is well.  But there are alot of "ifs' here.
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: The Peregrine Chick March 31, 2009, 18:06
Just heard back from U of A and they are talking with the biologists about the best way to deal effectively with the ravens in the nestbox. 

The only thing to do now is just wait and watch.  I know you all have the watching part down pat, now you will just have to work on those waiting skills.  It will be good practice for when the falcons get down to the business of nesting  ;D

: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: carly March 31, 2009, 18:13
I know you all have the watching part down pat, now you will just have to work on those waiting skills. 

Thanks TPC!  But you want to rethink this comment ... you're talking to a girl who was running across 4 lanes of traffic today because she couldnt' see her falcon on the nestbox.  I actually went into 2 people's front yards once I lived through that so I could get a better view of the ledge... ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: birdcamfan March 31, 2009, 18:49
The Dutch site also has an interesting crow/raven situation going on. The Torenvalk cam showed the falcons losing their nest to a dove early this month. (go figure). The dove has been incubating for a few weeks now but for the last few days, some crows (I think) have decided to build a nest in the nest box. They are dragging in sticks just like in Edmonton. There have been a few interesting standoffs but for the most part, they stay away from each other. The falcons have also been on the scene at the nest box entrance chasing the crows away.
The peregrine tab on this site states that Froona will not be blogging for a while because of health reasons. Someone else is taking up that task. I don't know what the problem is as I am just using my computer to translate the blog from Dutch. If someone else out there speaks Dutch maybe they could glean a little more information from blog.
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: maggieblue March 31, 2009, 19:17
The peregrine tab on this site states that Froona will not be blogging for a while because of health reasons. Someone else is taking up that task. I don't know what the problem is as I am just using my computer to translate the blog from Dutch. If someone else out there speaks Dutch maybe they could glean a little more information from blog.

I think that some of us are very familiar with Froona both from the S2 site and from her own blog which is normally updated on a daily basis.  Neither has been updated since March 23rd and there is news that Froona was admitted to hospital in the Netherlands on March 24th with a serious respiratory condition.  She has been in intensive care and on a respirator for the past week.  :(  Please get better Froona. 
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: birdcamfan March 31, 2009, 19:54
I thought something strange was going on. What bad news. I don't know her but follow her blog as much as my translator will allow. She's in my prayers.
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: allikat March 31, 2009, 19:59
Oh no...Our thoughts and prayers are with you Froona!!
I log on to her blog daily...I thought that maybe she was on a vacation or something as the last blog is from March 23...
Get well Froona !!
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: carly March 31, 2009, 20:09
The Dutch site also has an interesting crow/raven situation going on. The Torenvalk cam showed the falcons losing their nest to a dove early this month. (go figure). The dove has been incubating for a few weeks now but for the last few days, some crows (I think) have decided to build a nest in the nest box. They are dragging in sticks just like in Edmonton. There have been a few interesting standoffs but for the most part, they stay away from each other. The falcons have also been on the scene at the nest box entrance chasing the crows away.

What if we put another nestbox right next door?  Like a 'duplex'?  Kind of feel bad now that I see all those branches they've brought in and seeing how hard they are working - *sigh* so hard for all birds, so much of their natural habitat being destroyed and they are all just trying to survive.  Maybe they will surprise us all and work it out.
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: allikat March 31, 2009, 20:19
Dido...Carly!!!

Especially after what I wrote yesterday  :-[

Wow...birds do work extremely hard to make a nest!!! 

I'm not writing anymore about you know what....just want to think happy thoughts and hope all will work out!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - March 2009
: bev. March 31, 2009, 20:40
Hello from the the den of the raven :) :)

I am home and I went to the nest site before I came home. I did not see any peregrines or trace of.  the way the pigeons were all lined up in the peregrines favorite places , I would say that they have not arrived yet. I also saw no Ravens but did see the nest form the roof top
I am very upset and am presently e-mailing my friends, the biologists.   the U Of A is not a good place to ask . Many found that out last year. 

 I usually hear back quite soon . so hopefully tomorrow.
 and by the way, I hope this is done soon.  there are areas in the states where ravens have chased the peregrines out and I do not want another nasty fight here. I have been a party to too many already in the last few years , just between peregrines. I do not need ravens also.
 

A  reply to a few things here.

Tracy, I feed my birds in the winter , right up  until nesting time and then I stop except for a few suet.  I was told to leave the suet's   so the females could get their strength back quicker after they have the young.

About the crows and ravens.  We also have magpies here so if everything nested in my neighborhood it would not be pretty. I prefer the magpies to the crows and ravens. 

the crows here migrate and so they are just back.  they are nasty. I know they are intelligent but I do not want hem in my backyard. I would never physically hurt anything, I just spray water or clap my hands.

But if a young one somehow comes to my area , I do not chase them. I f you have ever been around the young of crows or magpies you know they are very docile. You could pick them up if the parents did not get you first :) :)
One July long weekend it was so hot that an adult magpie brought 2 young to my backyard becasue I have a  pond.  Because they do not bother anything for a bit I let them stay . they just wanted to laze in the shade and drink from the pond.

I have blue jays and robins and wrens that nest in my area so I do not want the crows.
the magpies I can control.
some of you are lucky and just have crows , so to just try and control one species is fine but 2 is a different matter.
I know all about the balance of nature etc, but it took a long time for the robins and songbirds to reappear in this area and i would like to keep it that way.  they have enough predators in the area. 

we also have rabbits and partridges(they spent the winter around our neighborhood.)

by the way on our way home , we saw 2 beautiful eagles, which we never see where they were and some hawks and lots of crows and ravens. Their numbers have increased drastically.



: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 01, 2009, 10:58
I am home and I went to the nest site before I came home. I did not see any peregrines or trace of.  the way the pigeons were all lined up in the peregrines favorite places , I would say that they have not arrived yet. I also saw no Ravens but did see the nest form the roof top
I am very upset and am presently e-mailing my friends, the biologists.   the U Of A is not a good place to ask . Many found that out last year. 

When I spoke with the folks at the U of A, they were very helpful and they too were going to contact the biologists about evicting the ravens prior to the peregrines returning. 

I wouldn't be too hard on the U of A folks, keep in mind all you have learned from me over the last year.  Running this kind of project, even more so when there is a webcam involved, is a 24/7 kind of thing, that if you have a day job means you work 48/14.  You all here on the Forum are very well behaved, and that is not the case in most projects.  Before the Forum and the blog, it was very easy to be overwhelmed by phone calls, emails etc to/from everyone.  There was a reason I was very specific about folks not calling the Hotel, Conservation, the police etc on June 6th, I wasn't being dramatic, its happened before and the mess and fall-out is horrendous.  And none of it helps anyone.  The Forum and Blog etc may all be extra work, but it does help in the long-run.  Also keep in mind that just because the peregrines are nesting on campus, that many people may not really care either way and that can make the job of the peregrine folks on campus that much more difficult, they still have to work there after the peregrines have left. 

My suggestion (and this applies to everyone wanting to help anywhere) would be to contact the campus and ask what, if anything, you could do to help them - not the peregrines.  If they know that they have a person on the ground who will contact them if there are real safety concerns (get work-hours & after work-hours  contacts & phone numbers), it may be a great relief for them.  If they suggest you talk to the biologists, offer the same services. 

In lots of cases, volunteers can only help so much in urban settings and its a question of safety and security.  It's one of the reasons we have spotters rather than a corps of volunteers.  The birds are a protected species everywhere, which means that all activities near/with them are restricted by law and are covered by a permit.  It's also a security issue for the building owner/management, particularly in these days.  It's also a safety issue for the birds, the buildings, the projects and the volunteers - these birds do not nest in safe locations.  So the majority of volunteers are on the ground and every project has to assess what it needs and what it can offer its volunteers - volunteers want to help, not be doorstops, that's why they volunteer!

Okay, getting off my soapbox now  :-X 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: dodobird April 01, 2009, 11:07
Thanks Tracy - love your soapbox - it is always so firmly on the ground.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 01, 2009, 11:11
I know that there are people who don't care about wildlife or birds, or the peregrines, despite the presence of a camera and nest box, but in the defence of those who do, they are desperate to do something to help in a bad situation - like last June - and what they do is not done out of malice, but concern.  I guess politicians know more about this than I do, but where there is great concern, there is going to be a reaction.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 01, 2009, 11:31
First off,
One of the biologists gave me this reply last night. The others Iam hoping are getting over there :)

there’s a good chance that they do remove the stick nest. There’s also a pretty good chance that the peregrines safely take care of the problem themselves…don’t worry, I’m very sure things will work out just fine.



Tracy:

I am sorry if you think I  should not have said what I said but it was warranted. last year people did contact the University and they were not helpful..

Also they do know that they have  some people that are willing to be their eyes in the sky and they keep turning everyone away. It is frustrating for me and for the biologists. A few of the people that I met last year have like me , tried to be of service to them.  but to no avail. so they just gave up.

the cam is run by the med. faculty and the students group that are to to post observations etc.  very rarely know what is up. They say they do not have the time and trust me a few of us have stopped by and given them notes and I have e-mailed them pictures and specifics.
I made of point a few years ago , of stopping by and introducing myself and offering money donations and my help. all turned down. Puzzles me.

I still try and maintain a good relationship with them and still e-mail what I see as they know I am not a kook and am on good terms with the biologists.

I e-mailed them this year  about the cams getting up and running and then they contacted the Med faculty. I will e-mail about the one cam that is down.
I could go on and on , and each situation is different but believe me I have tried.
 So what I do is introduce myself to the  security.and then I do my thing.  I have phone numbers of 2 biologists to contact and I have security numbers and I work very hard at not being a nuisance. i have met many interested people and have educated a lot of others.
I am not perfect but because of my love for these raptors I want what is best. No one is there to watch them fledge and see that it is done safely.  I took it upon myslef last year to do it. It was hard for my husband and I but  we did it anyway. I cannot do it to that extent this year but I will try my best.

So I do know that running a cam etc. is a lot of work but there are some sites that just do not do it justice. sorry Tracy but this is true.

I have learned from a  lot of other sites and the biologists.  and from observation.
Unfortunately I have to go out for a bit today so I am hoping the twigs will be removed
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 01, 2009, 11:43
I forgot to mention that I first spotted the female peregrine on  April 3 at the nest box. Of course she later lost her nest to  Radissson at the end of April.

I believe I saw Radissson one day before everything happened on April 17 and then she took off.  Probably just browsing around looking for a site.

i reported this to the biologists, last year.
Just saw Raven and now gone
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 01, 2009, 11:53
And no one is discounting your concerns or your desire to help!  Well, certainly not me!  And don't discount your help on June 6th.  While Larry, Dennis and I were busy doing what we needed to be doing, you all were keeping the flow of information going which probably prevented 1000s (no exaggeration) of phone calls and emails to the police, fire department, RCMP, Radisson, CBC, Shaw, Manitoba Conservation, Canadian Wildlife Service and to the Project.  You have no idea how helpful that was for me as I was waiting for important return calls to get/keep things moving.  You were all able to pool what information you had from me and from the media on the ground and you frequently had more information than I did at any particular moment.  And you were certainly passing it along faster than I could!  That day started at about 4 am for me and it didn't end until about 11pm and then I was back out the next day early.  As it was, I was still responding to emails two weeks later, I would still be responding to emails now if y'all hadn't stepped in to keep everyone updated.  We had 208 registered members online and 10,000 hits that day.  That's alot of traffic.  Its also the kind of traffic that makes projects limit their communications out of sheer survival instinct.  

* pulls out soapbox again *

I will admit that my decision to start a Forum was for the most part because I knew that lots of people wanted to help but that I/we couldn't accommodate most of the requests.  Other than keeping an eye on our birds from the ground (which many of you are already doing) and helping out as extra hands during fledging (that will hopefully happen this year), the rest is not volunteer-friendly.  With the Forum, you are all providing a service for me, the peregrines, the Project and for others who visit (or lurk) on the Forum.  Education and information dissemination are the most important tasks involved in species-at-risk project management - if we can't explain what is going on and why, how can we expect people to becomes stewards on behalf of a particular species or for nature as a whole.  And without stewards, none of these species has a chance ...

* packs up soapbox again * ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 01, 2009, 12:11
Tracy:

I am sorry if you think I  should not have said what I said but it was warranted. last year people did contact the University and they were not helpful..

Not at all Bev, I know you had a hard time of it last year.  And I don't have a problem with you saying what you need to say.  None of it was/is contrary to the Sandbox Rules  ;) since you aren't using the Forum to air greivances with the Edmonton Project!   I just need to play devil's advocate from time to time to encourage people to keep trying and to go through channels.  And I think its important for the public to understand the realities on both sides of the webcam - its the same as anything else, human obstacles, regulations, time-constraints, technological constraints on one side and perfect moments of altruism, optimism, excitement, elation and heart-break along with lots of hardwork on the other.  Everyone should get to experience the latter but the reality is that everyone has to deal with the former as well.

So, no worries, your experiences are good to hear.  It will also be good to hear how you manage to get what sounds like a less than optimal situation working for everyone involved.

Keep up the great work!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 01, 2009, 12:40
Ok.. my turn.. I don't need a soap box because I'M ALREADY TALLER THAN ALL OF YOU   .. LOL.  :P

in my experience, although people mean well, having a bunch of inexperienced wanna-be experts can be more of a pain than anything else. I've worked at ( paid ) and volunteered at the local humane socitety for years, and can tell you that although most people mean well when volunteering their time,, some of them wayyyy over step the definition of 'helping'.

As Tracy has stated, emotions tend to run very high where animals of any kind are concerned, and sometimes those emotions can cloud the very best judgements and intentions of 'helpers'.

A prime example is last june, when we were ALL strung out in panic mode.. and would have been no good to anyone.  Best to just step back and let the experts do what they have to do.  I don't think they needed me or anyone else rappelling down the side of the hotel in my spiderman suit, and trust me, there are 'volunteers' who would attempt  things things like this,  without thinking it thru.

I am an experienced reptile/snake handler.  I've worked with exotics for a long time, and belong to the reptile society here in Ontario.  I don't NEED any wanna-be Steve Irwins stepping in and getting hurt.
  People tend to have an over-inflated sense of knowledge ( thanks to the national geographic society tv show.. lol)  of things.. and that can be dangerous.. both to the critters, and the person.

 Best advice :  offer your help. Don't take it personally if you are refused.  If you are asked to contribute in some way, LISTEN !  LISTEN to the person who you are dealing with.  THEY KNOW WAYYY MORE THAN YOU DO.  don't offer your opinions, advice or 'knowledge' unless you are asked for it.  

and now i'll sit down.. lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 01, 2009, 12:53
Now I have a question for everyone, if anyone/everyone would like to continue this discussion, I will set it up as a separate thread.  If we more posts, I'll do it anyway ...  8)

Back on the roof of the Clinical Sciences Building on the U of A Campus, one of the ravens is enjoying the sun while sitting amid the sticks in the nestbox.   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 01, 2009, 18:26
The crows that invaded the (dove) nest in Netherlands took advantage of the dove leaving the nest and destroyed her eggs. Very sad to watch. They even took the shells out of the nestbox. The note below the cam notes that the falcons (torenvalk) that normally use the nest are also still hanging around chasing the crows away. The nestbox is now empty.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 01, 2009, 19:52
I sure hope that the biologists have a plan and are mobilizing pretty quick.  Both ravens have been visiting the nest tonight and at about 17:35 Edmonton time there appeared to be some non-PG-13 activity going on.  ???  That nest is huge and appears pretty much done.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 01, 2009, 20:13
No one is home right now.  Perfect time to remove the nest!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 01, 2009, 20:23
Ooops, spoke too soon.  They are both back inside.  That is one packed nestbox!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 01, 2009, 21:30
I am really Pi---- off right now and I am just going to shut down the cam.
I know everyone else knows best but this is for the peregrines who are supposed to be a protected species and I am hopping mad right now.
sorry guys but I put a lot into this cam and i am just plain disappointed. >:( >:(

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Alison April 02, 2009, 05:40
Very interesting information and different perspectives in today's posts. I thought perhaps the ravens had lost interest in the nest, since I didn't see much of them earlier in the day, but later in the afternoon they were back. Bev, I can understand why you are really upset about this. I don't know what will happen here, especially when the falcons return, and I don't want any of the birds to be injured in a battle for territory.

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 02, 2009, 14:02
Angle of the camera just changed, someone must be checking out the nest.  It's zooming in too.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 02, 2009, 14:03
Angle of the camera just changed, someone must be checking out the nest.  It's zooming in too.

I just noticed that too.  Let's hope it is a good sign. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 02, 2009, 14:06
O.K. back to the old view.  That previous camera view looked like what used to be on camera 3.  Perhaps they are fixing it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 02, 2009, 14:18
O.K. back to the old view.  That previous camera view looked like what used to be on camera 3.  Perhaps they are fixing it.

Good point, forgot about that.  YOu stop using something and then you just forget about it!

I was so looking forward to seeing Radisson again this year, I really grew fond of her last year...I still remember her and little Cassie snuggled up together in the corner of the box..so precious.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 02, 2009, 14:29
I did let them know that 3 was not working. I do have the cam up but if the twigs are not removed , I will not watch RAvens.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 02, 2009, 14:32
Raven was just in for a split 4 seconds Stay away.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 02, 2009, 20:42
I want these stupid ravens gone!  Sorry but I have no love for them, no matter if they are God's creatures.  So are mosquitoes, and I kill them (and flies) with great glee.  (Spiders, bees, etc get scooted outside.) 

What the heck are TPTB ("the powers that be") waiting for?!  Get the damned nest out of there before eggs are laid, and let them start again somewhere else.  No, I don't want them dead, but if the choice is one or the other, I'll pick the PFs. 

That's my answer and I'm sticking to it!   :) ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 02, 2009, 21:28
well, I guess, we will will have to wait this out and see what happens. I have been put in my place by one biologist and I guess they are right

 The ravens found the box and so who are we to say who has a right to nest there.

No one could have foreseen this to happen but since it has, it will be documented. they are sure the peregrines will oust them but they are hoping the ravens will not be hurt.

I guess I came across as only a lover of peregrines.

I actually consider my self an environmentalist,  but I hate to see these guys lay eggs and then have them destroyed.  I do not want to see altercations, and will go down tomorrow to see what I can see.
 
I will go in the daytime.
so with egg on my face  :-[ :-[ I guess we will just wait and  see what happens.

 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: irenekl April 03, 2009, 07:17
Goodmorning folks!  8) Putting my sunglasses on in good faith that "WE WILL HAVE SUNSHINE!"   We'll have to go somewhere to follow the Netherlands nest together as that has become fascinating if not worrisome.  I'm not happy about the prospect of a battle at the Edmonton nest and hope that if there is one I miss it.  I'm at the point where I hope the peregrines have found a place to nest that they prefer over this site.  Where are they anyway, were they expected back by now?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 08:09
The Edmonton Falcons are expected home in the next few days.  From what I read on the website and from what Bev has said, they usually arrive home between April 3rd to April 10th - not exact dates but in that range.  So possibly today or this weekend, one or two may show up.  Really depends on the weather patterns and whether or not other species they rely on have started the migration northwards I think.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 08:12
It is not until this time that the peregrines here return.  the female was sighted last year around April3.  So any day now. We are expecting snow tonight so....

by the way the note I had on the crows was not from the biologists I deal with, it was from another biologist . In any event, the raven made a quick appearance just now, but we will wait and see.

I do not wish these ravens any harm or the peregrines.  I guess that is one reason why i am concerned.  I may come across as a non lover of Ravens. that is not so, I just do not like them in my small area .  they are very intelligent and if you ever see their eyes, they are so bright and they have the shiniest black coat.

So today is another day at the soaps of Edmonton.  the Manitoba falcons came a bit later last year , so she may appear later this year.

I do not know if I mentioned that the transmitter female was still in Columbia as of End of March. she does not make her move home until about now.  ??????

Have a great day everyone :) :)


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 10:49
Did a little housekeeping on the Dutch "raven invasion" as they were causing some confusion re: sightings, species, etc.  They are now in a separate thread in the Netherlands board ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 10:58
Peregrine return times are variable but usually within a range.  Its all weather and prey based.  In cities the birds can eat pigeons and other overwintering birds but cliff-nesting birds need to be sure that there are prey species available for them. 

The Radisson birds are back earlier than usual, I'm of the believe that these two were in a position to surf the leading edge of the snow storms we have had (and had and had and its still snowing now) recently.  Had they been on the other side of the storm, they would be cooling their jets south of here.  We have seen this with Alberta peregrines with transmitters on them. One year a bird sat for 10-12 days in Denver waiting for the weather to shift ...  And besides, our birds appear to have not done much since they returned so we may still get eggs at the usual time even though they are back early.  We will have to see.

As for Radisson and the rest of the Alberta cohort, they will probably kite in in the next few days and then the fun will begin.  Keep in mind, its really only the beginning of April and the start of peregrine returns to Canada (excluding the overwintering birds).  And I haven't seen more than a few peregrines at a time on the HawkWatch migration stats so I have to hope that more will show soon ....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 03, 2009, 14:43
Alert - the biologists are at the nest box.  I expect they are taking out the raven nest.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 03, 2009, 14:47
Well someone keeping posting the camera doesn't refresh for me darn it :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 03, 2009, 14:50
I don't know if this could be right - it looks like they set fire to the nest!  Perhaps it is just a foggy camera.  I can't imagine doing such a thing, but I don't know...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 03, 2009, 14:52
No I think that is spots on  the webcam. They wouldn't set fire to something like that. Not in an area around a building.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 15:04
If we are talking about the same thing, that's the finer nesting material that will buffer the eggs and help with incubation.  Its grasses etc.  The ravens are in earnest about nesting in this location that's for sure ....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 03, 2009, 15:07
Sounds like George and Weezie ( yes i named them, sorry Raven-haters)  are enjoying their 'deee-lux' apartment in the sky.. moving on up never looked so good.
Hope this all works out for them, and everyone else at the site.   :(

 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 15:12
All I can say is keep your eyes peeled ;) and cam #3 works now :) :)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril35.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 15:17
Just had a look at the cams, and it looks like they have taken them offline (there looks to be just a static image there now from earlier) while the biologists are at the nestbox ....

... or maybe its just me ...  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 15:18
Woah, a human head...that's from today...!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 03, 2009, 15:18
Looks like the landlord has come to evict George and Weezie..   ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 03, 2009, 15:20
Time will tell!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 15:28
Maybe evict.  Guess it depends on whether or not they want to evict if there is an egg in the nest or not.  Don't know what their ethical criteria are ... and Eagle is right, time will tell ....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 15:49
Human head again and all the branches are gone...on the Cam 1 view.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 03, 2009, 15:51
The cam is working, all 3 and the nest has been cleared. For those of you who aren't fans of raven, lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 15:55
Hopefully the peregrines will return soon otherwise they are probably going to have to evict them a couple more times ...  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 16:10
I know there will be many who do not approve of this move.  There will probably be an explanation. If there had been eggs they would not have removed the nest.  These biologists have high standards. This site has always been one where they did many things such as bringing in the fledgling last year.

And I am sure if they thought this could end in a good way , nothing would have been done. By this I mean a good way for the ravens.  Do the studies and read all the information.

I almost feel guilty even though I wanted them gone.   What a sap I am. but think about if ravens started to nest in your nest box. ?????
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 16:15
Hopefully the peregrines will return soon otherwise they are probably going to have to evict them a couple more times ...  :-\

You got that right, Raven on nestbox with nesting materials!  Poor guy looked confused and left.  I know how you feel Bev, no need to explain, we all care about the birds regardless of the type.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 16:37
First I should say that there didn't appear to be any eggs in the nest when I last saw it and the finer nest material hadn't been in there for very long, so I don't think y'all need to worry about that.

If the ravens can't find something close by to fix up, they will start again.  The question is just where for them.

Keep in mind also folks that nests get blown out of trees and off buildings and cliffs all the time, so its not as though these birds haven't/won't face this in their lives.  And they do get evicted by other birds, so this will be a good learning (character-building  ::)) experience for them.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 03, 2009, 17:11
Whew, what an afternoon to catch up on!
Just looked at cam 3 and had a flash of nostalgia remembering shots of Cassie peeking up barely above the ledge. 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 17:22
I just want to add Tracy, that they do tolerate each other nesting very close and there are a lot of spots for the ravens. I have walked in the last year every square inch of that place ;D ;D. there are a lot of crows and magpies and ravens around.  I can think of a few spots already if they have time.

I do feel bad, but may I say again that this nest would not have been taken if there had been eggs.  but she is ready soon,  . I will be going down to the site today or tomorrow.
I will have a good look around.

Now come on home peregrines.



 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 17:30
Whew, what an afternoon to catch up on!
Just looked at cam 3 and had a flash of nostalgia remembering shots of Cassie peeking up barely above the ledge. 


Awww..she was a cutie!

(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/peregrinegirl/Radisson2.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 18:11
then her first time on the roof. I ran down there to make sure she was O.K.

her first flight and she cat walked on the adjacent roof and her first catch that we saw.
1. her first catch
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/DSC_0848-1.jpg)
2. remember the panic as she went up on the roof
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonaug9-8.jpg)
3, her first flight
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/DSC_0005-1.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 03, 2009, 18:15
Just so newer readers know what is going on, Bev is reposting some images from 2008.  None of the Edmonton birds (past or present) have returned yet this year so far as we know ....

Just so folks don't become confused ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 03, 2009, 19:12
She sure had us worried didn't she  ::).  Let's hope for a successful season this year, I'd like to see a nestbox full of them  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 03, 2009, 19:58
Me too!!!! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 03, 2009, 20:20
I'm also happy that the removal of the Ravens nest went smoothly! 
They are resilient and will find another nesting site if of course they don't try this site again   :o
I guess we will all just have to sit and wait to see if/when the falcons come back!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 03, 2009, 21:04
Sorry I confused some. I was jsut following the pattern of walking down memory lane.

My  eyes will be peeled. i will let you know what I see tomorrow , if anything.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 03, 2009, 21:18
Sorry I confused some. I was jsut following the pattern of walking down memory lane.
No worries, bev.  99.9999...% of us knew what we were looking at.  I think TPC did that for new viewers to the site.  So we don't have that whole ravens/magpies/starlings/doves/PFs.... /owls? thing again.  LOL   ;D ;D  I was SO happy to see those photos again!  thanks.   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 03, 2009, 23:04
Back to this afternoon...that one posted picture of the human head amazed me.  I couldn't tell if he was carrying a broom, but he definitely wasn't wearing a helmut.  Wouldn't it be wise to wear one if there was the possibility of angry evicted ravens close by? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 04, 2009, 01:06
If it was a biologist I doubt he worries about getting hit by a bird, peregrine or raven.  They don't actually hit all that hard, more of a surprise since they are both large birds - a three foot wingspan rocketing at you at warp speed is kind of unnerving.  But you get used to it.  And all you really get are scratches which you really don't realize you have until after the event.  Since one automatically protects their eyes no real harm done.  Some birds come closer than others, some come close enough to actually come into contact, most don't.  That applies to all species.  Been hit by robins more often than raptors, crows, ravens and other large birds.

And no, I don't wear a helmut anymore - did in my first couple of years but gave it up when I whacked myself more than the birds hit me!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 04, 2009, 06:43
I have been hit in the back of the head by blackbirds while cycling along the highway and while walking along the highway. I guess I was too closse to their nest. It had the desired effect, I got out of there very quickly.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 04, 2009, 08:34
I guess the ravens haven't given up on this nest site as they are starting a new nest today  :( 
Fingers crossed that the peregrines get back soon and encourage them to move along to another location without any injuries to any of the birds.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 04, 2009, 08:58
Magpies will find a new site, so I am hoping they get here soon.

that took a week for that nest right. they should be here before then.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 04, 2009, 11:30
If the ravens rebuild over the next few days and the humans re-dismantle, chances are decent that the ravens will at that point decide to go somewhere else since they will be getting awfully close to wanting to lay eggs and they could very well run out of time if they were to try and rebuild a third time.

Going to be interesting to see what happens ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 04, 2009, 12:21
Wow..I go out for a few hours and look at all they've accomplished.  I have to say that Ravens are quite industrious and you know yesterday when he came back with that soft brush for her..that just choked me up. 
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: allikat April 04, 2009, 13:00
Hmmmm...they've been busy again today!?!?!?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 04, 2009, 17:12
I can't decide whether to feel sorry for the Ravens,  :(....or to want them the heck outta there asap......so I'm just going to do BOTH!!!! :P - I just wish they'd stop working so hard on a lost cause and start afresh somewhere else, poor things. Hope Radisson comes back quick!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 04, 2009, 17:19
I can't decide whether to feel sorry for the Ravens,  :(....or to want them the heck outta there asap......so I'm just going to do BOTH!!!! :P - I just wish they'd stop working so hard on a lost cause and start afresh somewhere else, poor things. Hope Radisson comes back quick!!
It's okay ballywing...I can't decide either!!  All they are trying to do is make a nest to lay eggs and raise their young!  I'm with you...I just wish they could do all of this somewhere else and all can be happy!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 04, 2009, 17:24
I want these stupid ravens gone!  <snip> That's my answer and I'm sticking to it!   :) ;D

I gotta give 'em credit for their perseverance, tho. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 04, 2009, 17:53
Oh they are perserverant alright, man oh man.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 04, 2009, 18:06
So, I guess it's going to be another waiting game to see what happens to this nest???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 04, 2009, 18:12
Oh they are perserverant alright, man oh man.

I wonder if she is 'with egg' already because they are working twice as fast as last time.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 04, 2009, 18:17
I wonder if she is 'with egg' already...
That's cute, carly!   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 04, 2009, 18:21
I thought that the same thing...working double time I mean!
I don't like this scenario at all now!!! 
I don't want any harm done...seems to me that they are in a hurry!!!
This is a tough situation to be in...I don't know if I can watch now!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 04, 2009, 18:32
I have just come back form the site. was there for a few hours this afternoon.
No sign of falcons but these guys are huge.

I watched them and took some pictures.  the female is getting all the sticks and the male stands guard across at the hospital building and the roof behind.

the big white thing the workers used yesterday is still beside the nest on the right side , which would make it easy to access the nest.

My concerns now are:  I love my falcons but if the female comes back and goes to the nest box gung ho , she could be attacked from behind by the male raven. I watched for quite awhile today so she will not see him
Same goes if our male comes back first. Now most years one comes back before the other so it will be 2 against one and these guys are Huge

Now having said all that you do have to feel for these guys also, but  there are so many spots  for them to renest.

So as I take a deep breath , I hope my guys get here soon.

I did check out 2 other sites where our peregrines roost in Edmonton and they are not back either .

I am going to go into my archives now and see when they arrived 2007 and before. I know last year..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 04, 2009, 18:41
Thanks for the great update bev, as always.   :D

I really hope they go in tomorrow and dismantle it again.  No point in waiting - it might make it too late for them to re-nest somewhere else. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 04, 2009, 18:49
thanks for that update Bev.

I feel for you right now...I'm and I'm sure everyone else is thinkin' the same thing if one falcon returns before the other and just flies in to check out the nest...two against one.  I know nothing has happened yet and slow down but it's just getting closer to the E.T.A. of the falcon (s).
I just hope that the Ravens will find another great location to make a nest without any worry so they can build freely and raise their family.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 04, 2009, 18:56
thanks for that update Bev.

I feel for you right now...I'm and I'm sure everyone else is thinkin' the same thing if one falcon returns before the other and just flies in to check out the nest...two against one.  I know nothing has happened yet and slow down but it's just getting closer to the E.T.A. of the falcon (s).
I just hope that the Ravens will find another great location to make a nest without any worry so they can build freely and raise their family.

Ditto.  After reading about what is going on at the NL site, I'm thinking the exact same thing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 04, 2009, 19:02
thanks for that update Bev.

I feel for you right now...I'm and I'm sure everyone else is thinkin' the same thing if one falcon returns before the other and just flies in to check out the nest...two against one.  I know nothing has happened yet and slow down but it's just getting closer to the E.T.A. of the falcon (s).
I just hope that the Ravens will find another great location to make a nest without any worry so they can build freely and raise their family.

Ditto.  After reading about what is going on at the NL site, I'm thinking the exact same thing. 
It's surreal in a way!!  Most of the time, actually the majority of the time, I want to put my hand through the computer screen, reach out and grab whatever is there to help them...but I can't!!! :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 04, 2009, 19:58
Yup, I am at a loss what to do or feel anymore :( :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 04, 2009, 20:05
I really hope they go in tomorrow and dismantle it again.  No point in waiting - it might make it too late for them to re-nest somewhere else. 
btw -- I'm not uncaring about this, just trying to be practical.  I want no harm to come to the ravens.  I'd like them to find somewhere else to nest.  That's why I hope it gets taken apart again tomorrow, instead of the biologists waiting until she's in labour.  I think we have to again assume that they know what they're doing, even if it's not going at a speed we'd like.   :)   Come on home, PFs! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 04, 2009, 20:19
2 ravens on Cam 2
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 05, 2009, 10:02
Nice to see some of the "raven-hate" has changed into something more agreeable and what I would expect from bird/animal lovers here. 
Honestly i was kind of shocked at the 'anger' towards these birds, who do not know they are on someone elses turf.  Thats how it works some times.

Still hoping for a favorable outcome for all the birds...... 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 12:22
Hi Loriann.

 I t was never a raven hate, even though it sounded that way. I just know what is going to happen and I felt the biologists could prevent it becasue the Falcon is still a protected species.  I have done a lot of research as of late , and even though in the wild if there are enough nests they tolerate each other, becasue they sort of warn off the enemies , if there are not enough nests, it is a very nasty fight.  look in the Netherlands.
There has been so much drama just between the falcons in the last 2 years here that I was hoping they would not have to contend with Ravens also.

Ravens are not my favorite bird in a urban setting but I admire their brains. I do no like them in my backyard as I have crows and bluejays and magpies also.  so I do not encourage them.  but I would never physically harm one.

As i stated earlier, think how you would be feeling right now if they were in your peregrine boxes.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 14:45
These camera feeds are kinda bugging me.  They keep going back to two hours ago, according to the time stamp.  I seem to be stuck at 12:36 on all three cams, even tho I just saw Camera 2 say it was 14:40. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 05, 2009, 14:50
It's working fine for me.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 14:56
When I switch to the page, the time is right.  But as soon as I change cameras, all three go back to 12:36. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 14:58
Liz, I have the same problem at home.  Only one camera will refresh for me.  I literally have to open a new window if I want to see what is current on another cam view, otherwise say I'm watching Cam 1 - then Cam 2 & 3 stay on the image they were at when I first opened them.  At work it is fine but for some reason at home I've always had that problem.

I'm not sure if it's because my virtual memory is low as at work I have 4 times the memory so I thought that might be the problem.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 14:59
I had problems on one of the camera views as well...I had to exit as the cam was locked up.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 15:11
Holy cow, nothing for hours then suddenly black wings fill the screen...

Well that was so quick, I wonder if I imagined it!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 15:38
I'm not sure if it's because my virtual memory is low as at work I have 4 times the memory so I thought that might be the problem.
That could be it carly, because I know I'm almost out of memory on my laptop, and I didn't have this problem last year.  Guess it's time to do some housecleaning! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 15:42
With these cameras, you will go in and have to wait for a bit for the right time to appear, with each camera and then it will be O.K.

they have not changed the time yet, so they are and hour ahead. I will e-mail them  tomorrow.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 15:46
The first cam is also a few seconds behind the other 2, on purpose.

I am going to ask for a 15 second feed again.9 if I have falcons)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 16:20
With these cameras, you will go in and have to wait for a bit for the right time to appear, with each camera and then it will be O.K.
I have the opposite problem -- they're right when I first go in, then they change back to 12:36.  Whatever -- I've just stopped switching cams.  lol 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 16:25
Actually, I see what you mean.  If I wait 10 secs, then it goes to the current time.  Thanks, bev! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 16:28
Doesn't work for me, but my PC is ancient..need to upgrade if I want to keep up with all the nests and new nests!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 16:33
Seems that Ravens taking over Falcons nests is a big hit this year, just found this on the Rochester forum...in Scotland some Ravens took over a falcon nest (although years earlier it had been a ravens nest) and the falcons failed to evict them ...but good news, no one was hurt and the falcons moved to a new area and both have eggs so it all ended happily  :D

Here's the link if you want to read it:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/kfalconcam/message/96165
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 17:20
I also read  a report of falcons in their nest box and ravens not far away on a ledge in their nest.  I do know they tolerate each other . It is just getting a nest.

I know of a few places the falcons could go here if they are not successful.  but whether they will or not is another story.

I just can't put my heart into this right now as we have had the falcons here for over 30 years.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 17:25
Don't lose hope/faith on the nest box Bev.
The falcons have not returned yet, and with my fingers/toes crossed and I'm sure everyone else's as well, it is still safe to dismantle the Raven's nest, all will work out  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 05, 2009, 17:27
Brief visit by a falcon inside the nest box.
That nest looks very finished, wonder when the next dismantling will occur?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 17:29
What?!  You saw a falcon just now??! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 17:31
What?!  You saw a falcon just now??! 

Really???  Darn, I stepped away for a few minutes!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 17:31
OH NO!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 17:35
I missed it, too.  Been watching Ms Elk River.  Sticking on cam 3 now, tho!  I'm sure I could have both open, half-screen each, if I was a techie -- rats! Maybe it's time to split my window...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 05, 2009, 17:35
Again, now!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 17:36
That was a raven..big black feathers was all I saw.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 17:37
I guess now, all anyone can do is hope and pray.
Maybe someone is down there watching right now as we type . .
Just trying to remain positive :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 17:39
I've switched to Cam 3, cause honestly all I saw were tail feathers..need to see a better view...gees.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 17:41
I haven't seen anything coming or going..where's the nest dismantler (sp?), dismantle person?
I don't know what to think now  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 17:41
I only saw the raven as well, on cam 2.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 17:43
Either way, any day now one or two or three of em will be back.  And yes that second nest sure went up fast! 

Yup...there we go, Raven in the nestbox on Cam 3!  And gone in a flash, must be bringing sticks back and forth.  Oh wait, mom is inside the box it looks like..gees they move fast!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 17:44
17:43 -- that's the raven.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 05, 2009, 17:44
OOOOOPS!  Now who is completely embarrassed?  It was a raven!
I didn't realize I'd typed falcon instead of raven until I saw all these posts,
I'm very sorry to have caused so much panic and false hope.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 05, 2009, 17:46
No worries bcbird..the falcons are due back literally any day now - we're all on edge  :o.  In fact when I got up this morning I had a gut feeling one would be back today so who knows. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 17:48
WHEW!!
Don't worry bcbird.  It just shows that all of us are very concerned and we're going crazy thinking about it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 17:54
No worries!  We've all been there.   ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 05, 2009, 18:26
I went down to the Clinical Sciences Building this afternoon to see for myself what was happening.  I must say, those ravens are tireless, and industrious like crazy.  The male rides shotgun for the female every step of the way - she is never left alone.  They come and go all the time, and as we all know, they rebuilt the nest very quickly, and are still at it.  I watched and watched for falcons, but none were to be seen.  There are so many birds in the area it is hard to keep track of everything - there are also a fair number of bird body parts throughout the area.  I just don't know what to think anymore, because the ravens work so hard to get everything in order for eggs, and yet the peregrines, as Bev mentioned, are an endangered species.  This is a nerve-racking situation.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 19:22
Thanks for the update, Eli.  It's good to have another view of what's going on -- more eyes are better than less! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 19:27
I agree with that statement!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 20:05
WOW!  That nest has gotten a lot more serious looking in the last two hours -- lots of twigs.  Pretty crappy nest buillding tho -- lucky they've got built-in walls. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 20:33
thanks ELI.  Where were you .last year when I needed you???? ;D ;D ;D

You saw what I saw. sometimes the  male stays at the heart building and waits. yes, he was her shadow and that is what worries me. Because they usually do not come back together. and if the female goes to that box she is going to be trapped in there.  :o :odid you see the white structure beside the box ELI?

Now please do not laugh here.  I was up on the parkade roof with my husband yesterday, watching and the female raven went over my head to a tree behind the parkade. well the magpies were making a fuss and there I was clapping my hands, saying SHOO.SHOO. and then I started clapping my hands at the one on the clinical science roof adjacent to nest box. My husband was laughing , saying they are too high up.

But if this works out for the peregrines give me a ring ELI and I will show you all the spots.

this is quite the dilemma
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 20:37
That a girl Bev.  You keep clapping those hands together to get them to move!
Hey....ever thought of a water gun?  Some of those can shoot water pretty far.
Since there has not been a falcon sighting yet, is someone going to tackle this nest again and dismantle it, with of course hopes that the Ravens can built a nest somewhere else??
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 05, 2009, 20:40
I use a water gun at the lake when the crows take up their noisy discourse at 6AM. They fly over a few streets and bother the neighbors for a while.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 20:40
The weather has warmed up a bit here and should be nice for the next week which should mean a falcon or 2.  

Now our male is small , if you remember.  Radisson did not show up till later last year, so I guess it depends on  where they are coming from.

I am not giving up ,I am just so heart sick.  I saw too many fights in the last 2 years,

And I am hoping our male made it through the winter.

when I read someone saw a falcon , I thought what did I miss. I have been watching in silence .  
Raven back in with fluff in her mouth.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 20:45
Uh oh.....fluff, for the bed of the nest!
I hope someone can make it over to this nest in the wee hours of the morning to dismantle it, if of course it is safe to do so (ie:  no eggs).
We all hear and feel your pain Bev.  All of us don't want any fighting either so hopefully someone can get rid of this new nest so the ravens can build somewhere else with time to spare and this nestbox is ready for the return of our precious falcons.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 20:46
I have a bazooka water gun and a big hose for my area here ;D ;D

do ya think the security will set me up with a water source ;D ;D

I am puzzled why the nest has not been dismantled again, but as I said it is the weekend.  the white thing was there yesterday.

And , get this, I do feel for the Raven. :o :o

but I love my falcons.  GEEEZ!!!!!

I just wanted a nice calm year.

I do have a note into my biologist friend to see if the dismantling was a one time deal or what???

the biologist who was not happy with me for my attitude toward the Raven, e-mailed me back and now everything is O.K.
 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 20:48
There is a site for the Ravens that i have handpicked if they want me to show them ;D ;D

the magpies and other birds are not too happy they are there either. Well they do not bother the pigeons, so I guess the pigeons are cheering them on.  but the magpies and songbirds are not.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 20:52
Let's all just hope that all will work out and that someone will dismantle this nest, yet again!
I'm glad that this biologist isn't upset with you anymore.....kinda can't be.  You're simply trying to help protect an endangered raptor.  I think this person or person (s) needs to research the peregrine falcon.
I'm praying over here with hope it helps!
Just wait a little bit longer there falcons!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 20:58
thanks Allikat.

I just went back to last year and like I said the first female(from2007) came back April2-3
The male came back a week later. I spotted  Radisson first the middle of April so.....

Husband is waiting for a movie so I best go for now.

boy, oh boy!!!!!!!!!

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 21:00
thanks Allikat.

I just went back to last year and like I said the first female(from2007) came back April2-3
The male came back a week later. I spotted  Radisson first the middle of April so.....

Husband is waiting for a movie so I best go for now.

boy, oh boy!!!!!!!!!


Enjoy the movie.....
It's another week coming up so we'll see what happens!  Again, let's all hope for good things!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 21:11
well, I am back. I guess I was too long and my husband started watching one I do not like.

I am going now to post a poem I wrote on my way back from my trip last weekend before I realized how serious this drama was.

I am not sure where to post it here but It will be somewhere in bit and Bites i think
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 21:13
I just went to the Alberta Cam and realized that this nest is almost complete.  They worked on this one double time. 
I really hope someone is keeping an eye on this so they don't wait too long to dismantle it?? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 21:35
... and there I was clapping my hands, saying SHOO.SHOO. and then I started clapping my hands at the one on the clinical science roof adjacent to nest box.
  Right on, bev -- you go, girl!   :D  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 21:36
i have been watching and taking pictures.  Yes, this one went up in half the time.  I do  not think they really thought they would come back but I hope someone is watching. I made one aware but I do not want to be a pest.

It is out of my hands, and in their hands now.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 21:38
bev, we're not putting the Peregrine success of this nest on your shoulders.  Please stop stressing so much.  All will work out as it should.  Just sit back and breathe.... :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 05, 2009, 21:48
At least there isn't any raven there for the night.  Probably means no egg in the nest?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 05, 2009, 21:52
Not in the half-hour before it got too dark to see. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 21:54
That is exactly what I am going to do  Liz.  I am going to relax and  clean house :)

I know you are not putting the success of the nest on my shoulders.  I was putting in myself and I am not anymore.  

what will be , will be.  QUE SERA SERA

I am really going to have an Irish coffee ;) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 05, 2009, 21:58
I'm not sure how else to write this but:
What's meant to happen, will happen!
Bev...you've done what you can because you care so much about these falcons!
Have a big glass of red wine or as you wrote, an irish coffee ;)

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 05, 2009, 22:03
Horrrrraaaayyyyy for Bev, that's a girl, just go with the flow. What will happen will happen.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 05, 2009, 22:08
I am learning. It takes me awhile. I get so passionate about things. ;) ;)  But I am learning to accept what will be. thank you all for being so understanding.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 05, 2009, 22:22
Time and patience in the world of birds are the two things you need to keep in going lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 05, 2009, 22:25
There is a silver lining here folks, just think if the peregrines don't return to this site this  year, you might get to watch the ravens raise their young online ... their chicks really are just as ugly/cute as the peregrines  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 06, 2009, 05:42
echos of what i've been saying all along. welcome aboard everyone... if its meant to be Ravens, it will be Ravens.  ' all creatures great and small'.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 06, 2009, 10:04
Bev, the white structure next to the nestbox that you mentioned, I saw a white structure that looked like a platform with rails for the biologists to stand on - I don't recall anything else.  Also, I found it easy to look at the ravens and the nestbox from the ground as there are a number of barricades around, which reduce traffic and people.  This was good, as it prevented me from running into people and cars.  Certainly your viewpoint from the parkade would be better, though, and I must remember that for next time.  I would be happy to find out from you the best spots for watching the falcons.

 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 06, 2009, 10:16
That is the white structure I am talking about.  It has never been there before. Friday was the first day. I think they  left it here to make things easier becasue they usually use a ladder.( i believe it was maintenance workers on it on Friday. I recognized one as such.

I am out for a good part of the day but I will , if the falcons are there, let you know all their spots.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 06, 2009, 10:58
RAVEN in the nest.  When is that nest removal going to happen?  I didn't see any egg this morning.  The raven in the Nest box looks to be nonstop vocalizing, maybe sounding a warning to those who would disturb?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 06, 2009, 12:16
I just saw a man's head at the nest.   ;D  So, stay tuned.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 12:19
I see the ravens there now.  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 06, 2009, 12:20
Both ravens at the box!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 06, 2009, 12:36
Honest folks, I did see someone (and I don't think that I am hallucinating).  Perhaps Bev would be able to recognize him from this inadequate description, longish brown hair, possible mustache, black sunglasses, blue shirt.  Maybe he was just checking to see if there is an egg.  And yes, both ravens arrived shortly after that.  May he went to find a hardhat.  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 12:38
May he went to find a hardhat.  ???

That'd be my first move.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 06, 2009, 12:42
Pretty nice looking raven-cam there ...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 06, 2009, 12:44
Watch out Tracy.. some non-Raven fans here...   :o 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 12:47
Watch out Tracy.. some non-Raven fans here...   :o 


No, no...we love all creatures...well except racoons today! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 06, 2009, 12:59
I have been saying nothing because what ever the outcome it is a no win situation. 


There were 2 men there this morning and then went down. I am not sure what is happening. I do have pictures, Maggie so no one will think you are hallucinating. they are not biologists. At least not the 6 I know form this site. One I knew as the head maintenance man, I believe.

the ravens have been vocal most of the morning so far, so  I have a suspicion that maybe someone flew home.   I have not seen anyone at the box but...

they could just be upset becasue of the men there also, but... If I have time I will take a scoot down there.  On Cam one you can see a bit of the white structure that I was talking about on the right.

but I just got word that my transmitter girl started her journey home on April 4-5.  Now that is drama enough,.  what will await her. ::) ::) :o :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 06, 2009, 13:03
I have to head out to do some Easter stuff. 
so will check back in later.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 06, 2009, 13:06
Now that there is some indication that the Alberta birds are starting to make their way back (and if one is, its reasonable to assume that all that are, are too) that makes it easier for the project to implement a course of action.

As for the ravens, this kind of thing happens in the wild too.  Birds lose their nests all the time.  Sometimes its a the nest stage like these birds, sometimes its actual eggs and/or chicks that are lost.  If they should abandon nesting this year, it just means they will be in even better form for next year.  I suspect, based on their tenacity to date, that they will nest somewhere.  I'll be interested in how long they will stick with this site before moving along.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 06, 2009, 14:32
....sigh.....I was hoping we wouldn't be having this kind of anxiety & fretting, especially so soon in the season -but I guess that's nature for you!  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 06, 2009, 14:52
Male head (human) appeared briefly, protected only with sunglasses!  Something might be going on, at last.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 06, 2009, 15:05
Raven in the nest box, briefly, and left.
The man I saw may be different from the one this morning.  Definitely graying hair, not long, and no mustache, sunglasses and light blue shirt.
He hasn't been back since the raven left.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 06, 2009, 15:24
they were 2 separate men. Same as on Friday.  Very confused here. the cam times are right now.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 15:28
Just saw a man's head also.

And a big raven.  Honestly the Raven is bigger than that man's head.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 15:33
Maybe they are maintenance guys, I expect this is probably the only chance they'd get to do any work nearby on windows and such without the faloncs dive bombing them.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 15:36
Uh-oh....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 16:23
Heh..I guess they were just maintenance dudes.  George just brought Weezie more soft stuff for her nest.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 06, 2009, 16:48
George & Weezie??? LOL !!!! ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 06, 2009, 16:50
George & Weezie??? LOL !!!! ;D ;D

I take no credit; Loriann named them  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 06, 2009, 18:04
cause they are 'moving on up to a dee-lux apartment in the sky'  ( theme from the jeffersons tv show)

seemed appropriate at the time.. lol


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 06, 2009, 18:08
cause they are 'moving on up to a dee-lux apartment in the sky'  ( theme from the jeffersons tv show)

seemed appropriate at the time.. lol




Those are great names ... suits them!  Quite the nest they got there.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 06, 2009, 19:54
So....I'm guessing that no one is going to dismantle George and Weezie's (great names by the way  ;) ) nest??
If anyone is going to do it again, they better get their, you know what's, up there, as this nest is looking pretty comfy for Mrs. Raven.
I can honestly say, I don't know if I can watch this cam anymore until I know the dust cloud has cleared!  I've seen too many disputes this year and I do not want to see one more! 
I'm not saying it's going to happen  :-X, but with news that one is on her way home, just can't think about it.
I'm still hoping for a happy ending for all birds  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 06, 2009, 20:23
I read the homepage of the Alberta webcam site today.  I had to read it again and then again.
All of you who have been on this site, should know what that page is all about.

The one phrase that really got to me (taken from the homepage) is:  "The Peregrine Webcam Project is a valuable project preserving and appreciating urban wildlife species. It is an important component to campus sustainability because it creates awareness of endangered species that exist within our immediate environments, as well as bringing diverse network of community stakeholders together to talk about issues of sustainability."

I don't want the ravens or the peregines to be harmed or injured in any way!  I just don't know what else to say!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 06:44
It's a tough situation either way around allikat.  Even without the Ravens, we would still potentially have 2 females coming home, both of whom think it's their nest box so there will be angst either way.  And who knows, some other young peregrine may just decide it's a nice place with a good view and give it a go as well - as last year there were 3 females vying for the box.

Only time will tell now as the Ravens have pretty much moved in and as far as they're concerned it was vacant and they've paid their rent and fixed the place up.



: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 08:37
Just browsing through this morning. 

I have no comment that is acceptable here.  I did not make it to see if anyone returned yesterday but I am thinking not. 
will try to go down today but I will not be on the cam today.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 09:57
Red alert, human at the site.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 07, 2009, 09:59
Hmmm so there is a Human in site, I wonder...........


OMG the website is refreshing for me yahoooooo
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 07, 2009, 10:02
the picture never refreshs for me.  i have to close out internet exployer and restart it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 10:03
the picture never refreshs for me.  i have to close out internet exployer and restart it.


That's what I have to do at home too, only works at office but my PC here is way faster and has tons more memory.

Mr Handyman has vanished again.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 07, 2009, 10:06
He's in the very right hand side, he's still there... there was a Raven sitting on the camera too...it's gone
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 10:07
He's in the very right hand side, he's still there

Same guy as yesterday I think, they may actually be doing maintenance.  George was just on the top of the box showing us his rental agreement  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 07, 2009, 10:11
LOL @ Carly.. lol.. rental agreement.  thats too funny
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 07, 2009, 10:11
lol yup George was showing the rental agreement !
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 07, 2009, 10:28
As stressful as this is for all of us, I think it must be much worse for the ravens - all this activity around not just their first nest, but their second - after all the work they put into this, I do feel for them.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 07, 2009, 10:53
lol yup George was showing the rental agreement !
How do you know it was George?  Is there also a way to tell male and female ravens from one another?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 10:55
lol yup George was showing the rental agreement !
How do you know it was George?  Is there also a way to tell male and female ravens from one another?

Apparently the male raven is larger than the female (unlike in the falcon world) and he's a big dude!  I can't watch the cam anymore, got my hand slapped for using too much bandwith keeping my cams open.

Keep me posted if anything happens!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 07, 2009, 12:22
It's a tough situation either way around allikat.  Even without the Ravens, we would still potentially have 2 females coming home, both of whom think it's their nest box so there will be angst either way.  And who knows, some other young peregrine may just decide it's a nice place with a good view and give it a go as well - as last year there were 3 females vying for the box.

Only time will tell now as the Ravens have pretty much moved in and as far as they're concerned it was vacant and they've paid their rent and fixed the place up.




You're totally right and I agree...the nestbox was basically open for business and they took the opportunity.  As I have written before, we will at least be able to witness the behavior of Ravens and how they raise their young.  It will be a new adventure!
Let's all keep our fingers, toes and anything else we can cross, that no battles will happen. 
HAPPY ENDINGS FOR ALL!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 07, 2009, 12:40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Raven

 an interesting read for those of you not familiar with Raven.    Seeing as we might be watching 'Raven-Cam', we should know what we are seeing. Ravens can have up to 7 eggs, and only mom incubates, so it will be different from the falcons for sure.  Make sure you read the part about Raven dropping large stones on predators who threaten the nest.  Mr. Maintenance Man might consider increasing his protective gear to something more than shades.. or we'll really have something to watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 07, 2009, 12:57
Much as I was hoping Radisson would get her nest back, I'm starting to think it would be less disruptive for her to find another site than for these poor Ravens to get their hard work trashed again and have nowhere to lay their eggs. There's no perfect scenario to this!!!!  :( - Just hope there's no scuffles when George shows Radisson (or any other falcon)  his rental agreement... :-\ ....Then again I kinda feel like a traitor for feeling bad for the Ravens...they're not endangered, they're not what the nest was built for , they're not peregrines!!......ARGH!!!! :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 07, 2009, 13:24
Chickens and eggs  ;D  Might be a problem if the peregrines come back to this site this year.  Remember Radisson and Homeless fought over this site last year and the third female in their little territorial disputes died of her injuries.  They both decide to try their luck elsewhere if they make it back at all of course.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: dodobird April 07, 2009, 14:18
The nest appears to be cleaned out again. Hope this encourages the ravens to nest elsewhere. Poor things.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 07, 2009, 14:19
What a shock - the nest contents have been removed!  I have been watching the site, and I did not see the biologists at all.  The poor ravens - I hope they have the energy to continue their work elsewhere!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 07, 2009, 14:49
This would seem to guarantee some strife lies ahead, and definitely without a foregone conclusion to the outcome.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 07, 2009, 14:56
.....sigh....I don't know whether to be  ;D - or to be  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 07, 2009, 15:04
Personally I feel sorry for the Ravens, who thru no fault of their own have been villified, evicted ( repeatedly) and  are now homeless again for the second time in a week, unable to raise their family in peace in their chosen spot.   I know the falcons are what you all want to see, but Ravens are highly intelligent birds, facinating in their own right. I don't think they should remove this nest again. And we all KNOW the ravens will be back trying again before the day is out.

As Tracy stated, birds evict each other in the 'wild' all the time.  I don't think we ( humans) should interfere in the 'natural' way of things any further at this nest site.

Just my opinion.. I'm sure you all have yours to contribute too.   ;)


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 15:17
Personally I feel sorry for the Ravens, who thru no fault of their own have been villified, evicted ( repeatedly) and  are now homeless again for the second time in a week, unable to raise their family in peace in their chosen spot.   I know the falcons are what you all want to see, but Ravens are highly intelligent birds, facinating in their own right. I don't think they should remove this nest again. And we all KNOW the ravens will be back trying again before the day is out.

As Tracy stated, birds evict each other in the 'wild' all the time.  I don't think we ( humans) should interfere in the 'natural' way of things any further at this nest site.

Just my opinion.. I'm sure you all have yours to contribute too.   ;)


your point is well taken Loriann and quite valid.  In the beginning I was quite emotional about it all because I got so attached to Radisson last year, probably more so because she is Trey and Princess's daughter so to see them live on through her was quite exciting.  After reading all about the NL raven/falcon wars, I was so afraid they would be hurt and I was quite detached about the ravens.

But now after watching these 2 for the past few days, I have to admit I was touched by the way they worked so hard together to build such a complicated nest so they can raise a family.  Honestly after I saw this second nest I thought to myself, ok it's meant to be this way and hopefully the falcons will see the nest and try to find an alternate home for this year.  And I had come to the same conclusion as your above comment which is that perhaps we just need to let nature take it's course whether it suits us or not.

I think the problem is we all care too much..too human I guess  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 07, 2009, 15:32
But now after watching these 2 for the past few days, I have to admit I was touched by the way they worked so hard together to build such a complicated nest so they can raise a family.  Honestly after I saw this second nest I thought to myself, ok it's meant to be this way and hopefully the falcons will see the nest and try to find an alternate home for this year.  And I had come to the same conclusion as your above comment which is that perhaps we just need to let nature take it's course whether it suits us or not.
I think the problem is we all care too much..too human I guess  :-\
Ditto - And Double Ditto to all of that!!!  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 15:33
Have they been back yet since they did this?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 07, 2009, 15:34
I agree with Loriann and Carly.

The latest comment (dated April 3) posted on the web site says that “the ravens pose little to no threat to the peregrines, as the nest will almost certainly be reclaimed by peregrines upon their return. So please, do not be worried!"  I don’t know if they mean worried about the peregrines, or the ravens.  

Certainly, and I know I am looking at this from the human perspective which is wrong, but I know if my house was demolished twice, after working so hard to put everything in order, I would be devastated.  I think the ravens can pretty well handle any feathered foe, but a human foe is really hard to deal with.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 07, 2009, 15:36
When I saw how much fluff was in the nest this morning, I wondered if there would be an egg coming up soon, maybe today.  Actually I felt a thrill.  As a West Coast girl I'm familiar with the chuckles and weird calls and voices of the raven in the rainforests. Those sounds seem to make the forest  friendlier.  I would watch a nest of ravens with interest.

Now what?  I guess I hoped such established nest building would deter our PFs without much of a fight, leaving the peregrines safe to nest elsewhere.  When I look at that now pristine box, I see a trap, and feel anxious.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 15:37
I have been out all day and was shocked to see the nest gone. I felt after the fluff went in that it should now be left up to fate.  I did not say that this morning because I did not want to create controversy .

You all know how I feel about my site, and I love the falcons but having said that I felt for the ravens, and took a  lot of pictures f or my album.
I also went to read up about them and noticed how the male cares for his mate and that was stated in what I was reading.

Although the raven is known for his cunning ways it is just as evident as its deep concern for its life partner
 I witnessed it when I went to the site. He was glued to her hip..

so although I was very outspoken for my peregrines at the start, I have learned that nature is nature and must all be respected.  

I will find a  few nice pictures and post them so you can see about how they feel for each other.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 15:44
here are some shots

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril6-8.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril6-3.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril6-2.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 15:47
this was my favorite.

so see Loriann, I do not hate them, they grow on you after awhile.
this is a nest of drama. but I truly thought they would leave the nest this time after letting it get that far.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril5-13.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 07, 2009, 15:52
Ohhh, those are super pics Bev! ......I think in the beginning, we all instinctively wanted those Ravens out of there no matter what!!! - But those feelings/opinions seem to have shifted for most of us after a bit of time and observation - now I wish they'd just left the nest in peace the 2nd time around.  :'( - how sad for this Raven couple .....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 15:54
Ohhh, those are super pics Bev! ......I think in the beginning, we all instinctively wanted those Ravens out of there no matter what!!! - But those feelings/opinions seem to have shifted for most of us after a bit of time and observation - now I wish they'd just left the nest in peace the 2nd time around.  :'( - how sad for this Raven couple .....

Well said Ballywing  :'(
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: bev. April 07, 2009, 16:00
If they do not come back here I will  check out around the area. they will not go far.
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: irenekl April 07, 2009, 16:06
Oh Bev, I'm all over the map along with you on this one.  I feel sick about the second disruption to the nest even though initially I wanted the ravens out of there.  Would it not have been an idea to put up another nestbox somewhere in the area so both could have had an option?  How close is too close for ravens and peregrines to share airspace?  And, theres also the issue of the falcons still showing up and battling so the concerns are not even close to being resolved.  Oh man......this is all too bad.  But....an interesting lesson in nature. 

 :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 16:26
I had already in my head, figured out where a nest box could go for the falcons. but then I am not a biologist but I know all the hangouts of the peregrines and I think some good places. 

Yup, this sis too bad. Fancy me saying that. the first  time yes, but when it got so far along and the fluff was there??????

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: The Peregrine Chick April 07, 2009, 16:54
Here's a bit more to add to the mix ... the box was installed to help an endangered species.  Ravens are neat birds but they are not at-risk.  In my last post I mentionned that this site was hotly fought over last year ... from a project perspective, that would be a site I'd want for exclusive peregrine use because for whatever reason (I don't know the layout of the site well enough to make a definitive statement) that site attracted not two but three females last year.

And I would be evicting the ravens from the Radisson or West Winnipeg or Brandon nestboxes were they setting up shop.  I would do it fast and consistently so that they quickly learn that they were not going to nest in peace in that location.  If something had tried to nest at the Hotel last year after June 6th, I may well have done the same thing even when we knew the adults weren't going to re-nest - specifically so there wouldn't be anything to deter the peregrines this year. 

If this were happening in Winnipeg:  Its a question of priorities.  Project priorities are to assist nesting wild peregrines.  Raven priorities are to nest somewhere.  My job is to make the first happen while my ethics make me do the latter as humanely as possible.  I have to believe the peregrines will return soon.  I do believe that the ravens will find a new location (near or far) and that they, being the particularly bright birds they are, will not want to repeat this season's upset next year which in turn makes me happy since disturbing them is not something I particularly want to do. 

And I daresay you would get similar answers from the folks out in Alberta.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 17:02
Fancy me saying that. the first  time yes, but when it got so far along and the fluff was there??????

George had me at the fluff too Bev.  When they came back after the first dismantle and I saw him looking around the empty nest with that piece of fluff in his mouth..I actually choked up.  He looked so cute and they both looked so confused..*sigh* we are such softies  :-\

I guess now we watch and wait and hope for the best for all birds involved.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 07, 2009, 17:07
Some very balanced and sensible input TPC!! (As per usual :P) - I just wish the nest wreckers would NOT have waited so long each time, til the nests were all finished and nice & comfy - before doing what they had to do.  :-\ I guess we Phanatics are too emotional and sensitive and wishy-washy and want everyone to be 'happy every after'.  Nature so often doesn't work that way.... each season we're learning more & more about that side of things.  :'(
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: Loriann April 07, 2009, 17:10
I'm just happy to see that 'softer side' from everyone.. and still wish for a good outcome in the end.  I know the raven's are not endangered, but I still disagree with the second destruction of a completed nest.  I had nothing to do with it, and i feel guilty and bad that it happened.

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: The Peregrine Chick April 07, 2009, 17:14
Its entirely possible that George & Weezie will find a spot on campus that will suit their needs much better AND they will be able to use it over and over again.  We had a pair on the U of M campus last summer - they chose a telecommunications tower (pyramid shape) that worked beautifully - they had 3big, fat, happy, glossy black chicks that were hilarious hopping around the parking lots near the nestsite after most of the students had gone - they had a penchant for french fries.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 17:16
You are right  as usual , Tracy. that is why we were so torn, as time went along.  That is what was said all along that this box was put there for engendered species.  And we all know How I feel about this.  I took a lot of flak from some. ;) ;) But when the nest was built again, I was surprised that they let it go so far.  
 They were ready to lay eggs.  Do you not think you would have taken it down sooner. Or maybe they had to let the ravens know they meant business. Now I know your stance Tracy ;D ;D. I kept posing the question, what would you guys do if it was at your site, and this was happening.

This is a good site(even though there are more buildings than usual).The male and female can see directly into the box from their home roost across the way.  there are many places and roofs for the young to hop and fly to. (although the helicopter will pose more of a hindrance this year). they can branch out further along the campus to more grassed areas. and this year there are 3 more cranes behind the hospital for them to roost on. Last year they used these after they had fledged for a bout 2 weeks.
I will try and draw out a better map than what I had last year, and you can see.

so now is a wait and see. but I will go and see when I can if I can see them . Thre are so many places for them to build. I think I said that earlier. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 07, 2009, 17:18
It would seem the nest box status is back where it was a few weeks ago.  It is by past history a very attractive site for peregrins, and now a hopelessly doomed site for ravens.
We were worried before about competition for this site by the females, and we still are.
Maybe now, though, at least we don't have to worry further about the peregrins being ambushed by ravens.
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: Elaine L April 07, 2009, 17:24
I would feel better about this situation if the ravens were to quickly find good accommodation in the vicinity.  The female was very close to laying her eggs, and this must be very difficult for her and her mate.  I cannot get down to the site until the weekend, so I hope Bev can provide some information before then.
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: irenekl April 07, 2009, 17:24
I hear ya Tracy.  Completely agree.  Over the last few days my frustration was that they were not consistently clearing out the ravens nest.  Like how about twice a day.  I kept looking for that kind of action.  I feel they are not managing this situation as well as they could and it disappoints me.  I know my knowledge is limited but this situation was kind of obvious.  I feel they have created a situation that just may have been averted, the situation being that I fear that poor mama raven is ready to lay eggs.  Man!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 17:36
My husband is due home so I am going to try and persuade him to go down with me.  A coffee and donut usually works ;D ;D
 I want to check out the site for an falcon sightings and I will look for the ravens.I should spot them if they are  close beca use the area had magpies and a few crows., no other ravens and they were huge.
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: maggieblue April 07, 2009, 17:39
Here's a bit more to add to the mix ... the box was installed to help an endangered species.  Ravens are neat birds but they are not at-risk.  In my last post I mentionned that this site was hotly fought over last year ... from a project perspective, that would be a site I'd want for exclusive peregrine use because for whatever reason (I don't know the layout of the site well enough to make a definitive statement) that site attracted not two but three females last year.

And I would be evicting the ravens from the Radisson or West Winnipeg or Brandon nestboxes were they setting up shop.  I would do it fast and consistently so that they quickly learn that they were not going to nest in peace in that location.  If something had tried to nest at the Hotel last year after June 6th, I may well have done the same thing even when we knew the adults weren't going to re-nest - specifically so there wouldn't be anything to deter the peregrines this year. 

If this were happening in Winnipeg:  Its a question of priorities.  Project priorities are to assist nesting wild peregrines.  Raven priorities are to nest somewhere.  My job is to make the first happen while my ethics make me do the latter as humanely as possible.  I have to believe the peregrines will return soon.  I do believe that the ravens will find a new location (near or far) and that they, being the particularly bright birds they are, will not want to repeat this season's upset next year which in turn makes me happy since disturbing them is not something I particularly want to do. 

And I daresay you would get similar answers from the folks out in Alberta.
Well said Tracy.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 17:43
well the donuts worked  ;D ;D. i am on way d down to the site.  I hope to see a falcon.  and I will check on the ravens.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 17:45
well the donuts worked  ;D ;D. i am on way d down to the site.  I hope to see a falcon.  and I will check on the ravens.

Lol...get the Boston Creme, I love Tim's BC's...chocolate on the outside..creamy centre..yummy!!  Have one for me!
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: The Peregrine Chick April 07, 2009, 17:53
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-peregrine or anti-raven.  Wildlife does what it does.  Problems only arise when what they do comes in conflict with human activities.  In this case, the activity is the recovery of an endangered species.  Ravens as a species will survive and thrive even if this pair fails this year.  Peregrines, which are much fewer in number and while they are doing better than they used to, do still need some assistance, and we have invested in laws/money/time/energy to help them.  The box was installed for peregrine use.  

The ravens have proven how fast they can build a nest; they can find another location and will probably do just as well there; their eggs have not been destroyed; and the adults have not been "scared" off site nor have they been injured in any way.  It is unfortunate that the project needs to choose one species over another, but that is what the project was set up to do.  Perhaps if the ravens (or other species) return next year, the project might feel that they need to have a door or cover through the winter which would then be removed once the peregrines return.  

Species-at-risk projects are well aware of the ecological dangers of choosing one species over another - that's how we got into this mess in the first place.  Everything has its place, but we have caused things to be out-of-whack and now and we have to redress the balance without making the same mistakes - everything has its place but some things need our help to get back to theirs.  The ravens, as a species, are fortunate to have avoided the damage we did to the peregrines.  Eviction is preferrable to extirpation.

* puts soapbox away *
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: carly April 07, 2009, 19:03
Ummm....wheezie is home  :-\
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: Loriann April 07, 2009, 19:08
Yeah and she's on the phone right now reporting a burglary to the local constabulary.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 19:12
Yeah and she's on the phone right now reporting a burglary to the local constabulary.


Let's hope the 'cleaner's' have hard hats, I have a feeling next time George will be showing them some 'raven 'rocks at ya' hospitality  :P
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: Loriann April 07, 2009, 19:15
Projectile poo works too.   ;)
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: carly April 07, 2009, 19:17
Projectile poo works too.   ;)

Lol...oh yeah, I forgot they are birds!!! 
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: ballywing April 07, 2009, 19:19
Awww, what was Wheezie's reaction??? -  ??? Poor thing - I hope they pick somewhere else really QUICK!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 07, 2009, 19:22
Well she laid down in the box for awhile, then she came out on the perch and then she went to the edge of the box and look inside kinda confused and then she went back in, turned around and then back out and flew off.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 07, 2009, 19:45
Strange. 
I just tried logging back to the Alberta cam and could only get a JAVA logo on all three cam links.  Now I've switched from Safari to Firefox and have them all in view again.
No action at present.
Looks like a nice evening for Bev and her hubbie to walk off the doughnut looking for our birds, all birds!
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: allikat April 07, 2009, 20:02
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-peregrine or anti-raven.  Wildlife does what it does.  Problems only arise when what they do comes in conflict with human activities.  In this case, the activity is the recovery of an endangered species.  Ravens as a species will survive and thrive even if this pair fails this year.  Peregrines, which are much fewer in number and while they are doing better than they used to, do still need some assistance, and we have invested in laws/money/time/energy to help them.  The box was installed for peregrine use.  

The ravens have proven how fast they can build a nest; they can find another location and will probably do just as well there; their eggs have not been destroyed; and the adults have not been "scared" off site nor have they been injured in any way.  It is unfortunate that the project needs to choose one species over another, but that is what the project was set up to do.  Perhaps if the ravens (or other species) return next year, the project might feel that they need to have a door or cover through the winter which would then be removed once the peregrines return.  

Species-at-risk projects are well aware of the ecological dangers of choosing one species over another - that's how we got into this mess in the first place.  Everything has its place, but we have caused things to be out-of-whack and now and we have to redress the balance without making the same mistakes - everything has its place but some things need our help to get back to theirs.  The ravens, as a species, are fortunate to have avoided the damage we did to the peregrines.  Eviction is preferrable to extirpation.

* puts soapbox away *
Wonderful explanation as always TPC!!
Everything happens for a reason!  And sometimes, humans do need to interveen, especially when it comes to the peregrines.  This nestbox was vacant and had a sign "suite for rent".  The ravens grabbed it and moved in, but this box was built for the peregrines. 
In a way, I do feel badly, especially after watching them work so hard & double time to make up a nest, but I'm very confident that they will work triple time to get another made up. 
To these ravens, it's a lost/failed nest site, and I do hope they will succeed somewhere else.  After watching these two work together, they deserve a penthouse suite up in the trees...
I wish George & Weezie all the best to find that penthouse to raise their family.
Let's all wish them luck!
GOOD LUCK GEORGE & WEEZIE!  We wish you two all the best!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 07, 2009, 20:13
George and Weezie didn't even get their housewarming party in, and now we're throwing them a 'goodbye and goodluck' bon voyage party..    :-[
Hope they make it out okay... if only they knew the drama they caused..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 07, 2009, 20:22
The way these two work, I'm very confident that they will find somewhere fast...they deserve a third chance to find their perfect nest.  Things happen for a reason...I take that comment as "things" being positive.
That's the thing, they have no idea about any of the drama...Human's live on and react to emotions.  Sometimes, I guess there isn't anything wrong with that but most of the time I envy species that react to instinct. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 20:33
I am j ust back .

well we did see the pair.

 We went up to the to of the parkade and looked all around . No falcons yet.

We looked all over for the ravens and no sign of them around the nest box and where they were getting their stuff form to build the nest.

So we went to Timmies and on our way there I looked up and there they were. flying close together over our heads.

They went over by the building where Cassie and Hope stooped pigeons.( Newton Place) The female stopped on top of the building(I think) and the male went on top of the Suite hotel.That is the place where I had a picture of mom last year, at the end of the season,r on the moon.  

One of us should have stayed back but we both went to look and see if I could see the female.  The male stayed on the top of the suite Hotel for about 7-8 minutes. So you know she was around close and then he flew off. I tried to follow to see where they went but I am out of running shape ;D ;D We did not see them go in the direction of the nest box, but hey could have circled around

So it had to be them because they came from behind us.  There are several places that would make good nesting places. (I  hope not on top of the building where I think the female went.)  Maintenance workers go up there quite often I will keep my eyes peeled for them when ever i am down there. I think they went down from the hotel but cannot be sure.

My husband says I cannot save the whole bird population. ;D ;D but I sure try.

On my way home, I went up to the top of the parkade again and did not see anyone but pigeons and Magpies.   By the way , the reason I looked up to begin with as the pigeons all scattered at Newton Place, so I knew something was up.

Something in the nest that was not there before. Maybe they did not find a good spot and are going to try again :( :( I will keep checking.)

I will go down on Friday or Saturday an dcheck for the falcons again.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 07, 2009, 20:40
Yeah and she's on the phone right now reporting a burglary to the local constabulary.
Loriann, you are TOO funny!!  Oh yeah, I am looking forward to this summer in the forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 07, 2009, 20:42
Thanks for the update Bev.
Loved the comment that your husband made....even though we can't save everything, we try our best to do what we can to help those you don't have a voice!
You're wonderful to be watching out for the ravens with hopes that they build in a suitable location and will finally be at peace.
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: Liz April 07, 2009, 20:58
TPC, as usual, thanks for bringing us back down to earth.   :D  Great explanation. 

I guess because I'm not watching during the day I'm not seeing as much of George and Wheezie as some of you, and am certainly not bonding with them.  I was thrilled to see the box clean again when I logged on.  But ya'll knew I'd say that.  And you all know that I just want them to find another spot before she drops an egg while flying across the parking lot! 

I think it's fair to say we all care about creatures, and no one assumes a person doesn't just because they aren't fond of a particular kind.  I'm thinking, no one needs to apologize again in this topic for their thoughts.  It's taking up a lot of space!   :o ;D ;D

bev, also as always, thanks for your great reports.  I too love your hubbies comment!  lol  And heck yes! there is stuff in the box again.  Gotta love their perseverance! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 07, 2009, 21:01
I was afraid I was going to get one of those foying eggs. ;D ;D

maybe the falcons will be home for Easter. I have to go and do more research.
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: carly April 08, 2009, 08:06
Took a quick peek at the nest box and Weezie is sitting inside  ;)
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: msdolittle April 08, 2009, 08:07
yup .. she looks fairly comfy even with out the twigs and stuff.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 08, 2009, 08:08
One in nest box. i thought they would go for sure this time. Must not have been able to find suitable quarters for her to lay. i also wanted to add, that I think this box ix not big enough for them.

Look at the size as compared when our falcons are in it.
I am out now for the morning
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: Loriann April 08, 2009, 08:37
Have to give them credit for determination.   :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 08:44
Have to give them credit for determination.   :-\

If she is close to laying her eggs, they may not feel they have a choice at this point.  She's just sitting there and not out gathering sticks, unless George is ..so who knows.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 08, 2009, 08:55
I am really out now but so is she. 

Maybe dad is out scouting a new spot suitable and she is waitng. We know she is close to eggs also. Now I am really gone :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 09:06
She's gone now but I see the fluff in already.  Last time, the fluff went in last.
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: Elaine L April 08, 2009, 10:09
I don't think the female raven has any more time left - she needs to lay her eggs now.
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: ballywing April 08, 2009, 11:05
 :'( - Breaks my heart.... :'(
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: Loriann April 08, 2009, 11:10
:'( - Breaks my heart.... :'(

mine broke when they took the nest the second time.. just does not seem right no matter how you look at it, and i know some will not agree .
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 11:22
:'( - Breaks my heart.... :'(

Ditto.  If she now lays eggs and the falcons come in ...well, gees it's going to be a tragic mess.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 08, 2009, 11:28
Yes it would be sad but remember it would be nature doing what is it suppose to do. We humans have screwed up nature so much that just trying to get the Peregrines back to acceptable numbers is the least we can do.  Time will tell what happens at this nest site.
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: ballywing April 08, 2009, 12:45
When I first started getting interested in all this, it never occurred to me that there would be so much upset involved.  ::) - oh well, once a Phanatic always a Phantic -  I guess we're stuck for the long haul now.  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 08, 2009, 13:30
Anything going on? - Weezie still there? - George around at all? - Wish I could see the cam!!! >:(
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: dodobird April 08, 2009, 13:34
Just more fluff in the nest at this time and a few twigs.
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: msdolittle April 08, 2009, 13:38
Weezie's back....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 08, 2009, 13:42
...Sigh.....They're obviously not going to go anywhere else no matter how many times their nest gets wrecked. I don't know how this is ever going to end well, but here's hoping for a miracle!  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 08, 2009, 14:01
325 posts about the ravens in 12 days.  Yup, only 12 days since the cams in Edmonton came "on" and George & Weezie were first observed. 

Did a little checking for you all, egg-laying dates range from mid-Feb and late May so while most are laid in March/April, George & Weezie appear to have sufficient time to relocate and procreate.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 08, 2009, 16:09
Both ravens paying a visit, the female, I think, is still in the nestbox.
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: Elaine L April 08, 2009, 16:22
They have been back and forth all day, frantically building up their pile of fluff, and the female has been trying to make her nest as comfortable as possible, considering the lack of sticks for a real nest.  I believe she is ready to lay eggs, and they do not have time to again build up the nest to their specifications.  I don't know what will happen next, but none of this bodes well for the ravens or the peregrines.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 16:50
I don't know much about Ravens but I was thinking the same thing, as they're only bringing in fluff and she's spending alot of time sitting in the box -I too am wondering if an egg is imminent.  I guess we're about to find out. 

I guess we all knew this site wasn't going to be easy this year, just never would have thought we'd be factoring in ravens as well....Bev will have to write a book about this nest site some day  ;)

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: Loriann April 08, 2009, 18:57
What a sad 'house' this is... some random piles of fluff, a few tiny twigs, and not much else.. depressing, but again, they are trying so hard to hang on to it, its hard to begrudge them the spot. 
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: bcbird April 08, 2009, 19:03
What is that fluff from?  Reminds me of dog hair after brushing.
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: Alison April 08, 2009, 19:04
I don't even know what to say about this situation any more - I can see both sides of it. I feel bad for the ravens, because she does seem to be very close to laying eggs now. And still no sign of the peregrines . . . who also need this nest.

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonapr83a.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/february%202009/edmontonapr88a.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 08, 2009, 19:06
those pictures are heartbreaking to me.

and we put out our dog hair after we brush the beast, the squirrels love it ( fur lined nests) and its not unusual to see our tiny little house sparrows stuggling under a big chunk of german sheppard fur either.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 08, 2009, 19:08
It is a sad sight for sure - Problem is, even if they'd been left their lovey nest to enjoy - when the peregrine(s) return, they're all in jeopardy - Ravens, Eggs and Pergrines.... :-\ I wish they could've found another spot to nest, it's very worrisome indeed.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 08, 2009, 19:12
Those photos of Alison's were taken 6 hours ago. I saw them both 3 hours ago, any sightings since? 
 
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: carly April 08, 2009, 19:13
They are in the box right now.
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: bcbird April 08, 2009, 19:14
Just after I posted!
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: Alison April 08, 2009, 19:17
Those photos of Alison's were taken 6 hours ago. I saw them both 3 hours ago, any sightings since? 

I didn't see them in the box for several hours following the pics I posted. Haven't checked in the last half hour or so.
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: Loriann April 08, 2009, 19:17
still looking kind of confused and frustrated to me.. poor things.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 19:23
Loriann, is the fluff to lay the eggs on?  Or is it kind of to surround them, like the way the falcons make a depression in the pebbles as it seems to be circular? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 08, 2009, 19:29
i think its used as a nest liner.. the squirrels here use grass, twigs, and all kinds of litter ( plastic bags etc) to build up their condo in the bird house, then I swear they line the monster with dog fur.  I let big clumps of it blow, and its the soft under coat from my Sheppard, and they literally wait on the fence for us to leave the yard ( SMART) and then they scoot all over the place chasing the rare 'german tribble' around the yard, run up the fence and tree and gleefully pack it in.

The sparrows and other birds seem to weave it in thruout their nesting materials, incorporating it right into the nest itself.  If I can I'll try and get some pictures inside the birdy/squirrel condo once the babes are bigger.  Last year we had three of the little rats romping around... amusing as anything, so we'll see this year how many we have staying in the guest house.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 19:33
Heh..that's so cool that you do that for them, you are a true friend to the animals  :). 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 08, 2009, 19:35
it's called 'recycling' ,, I give them my tribbles, and they use it as building material.. an equal trade off, and we get to watch them bring up their furry little clowns for the season.  We've had the same pair for a long time now.  Yes we're kind of attatched to them, even if they do tease the heck out of the dogs, and raid the bird feeders.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 08, 2009, 19:41
You're showing your age with the 'Tribbles' reference Loriann...LOLOL  ;D - IF it's related to Star Trek that is  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 19:46
You're showing your age with the 'Tribbles' reference Loriann...LOLOL  ;D - IF it's related to Star Trek that is  :P

Says the person who also knows the meaning of the word  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 08, 2009, 19:54
 ;D - Was hoping nobody would notice that  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 08, 2009, 19:58
Oh heck, we could all be 12!  Star Trek lives on syndication, day after year after decade.  It has nothing to do with me being eagle60.  lol 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 08, 2009, 20:00
Do you know any 12 yo that watch those old shows?  I think it might just be us.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 08, 2009, 20:03
Oh oh! Trouble with tribbles.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 08, 2009, 20:07
Yeah, I guess you're right.  But I was trying to think young!   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 08, 2009, 20:09
Oh oh! Trouble with tribbles.

 ;D ;D ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 08, 2009, 20:23
So are these two trying to give us all heart attacks here?
I feel for these Ravens...
I guess all the tree top penthouses are taken :(
I can now only wish for a happy ending for the ravens and our peregrines..."sigh"
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Pam April 08, 2009, 20:53
A truly classic ST episode!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 08, 2009, 21:19
This is terrible.
I always say to myself, I can't watch this cam anymore but yet I find myself back here every chance I get!

Most of the time, I just sigh, close my eyes and then look to see what's happened in the nest box.  Then hope for a happy ending. 
These ravens & falcons have no clue what they put us humans through  :-[
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 09, 2009, 05:54
You're showing your age with the 'Tribbles' reference Loriann...LOLOL  ;D - IF it's related to Star Trek that is  :P

uh ya.. what all the comments say below.. lol.. YOU knew what a tribble was.. lol..  ;D  and after you brush a big old hairy dog, you too will have them ...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 08:16
9:16 am and Weezie is sitting in the nestbox.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 09, 2009, 09:52
I wonder why they (or George) hasn't been bringing more nest 'fixings' since yesterday? They've had time to rebuild again, yet they don't seem to be doing it.  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 09:57
Well Ravens are very intelligent so they've probably figured out it's a waste of time and effort and/or she might be ready to lay her eggs and not have enough energy to focus on two things right now?!  She's spending alot of time sitting today compared to the last few weeks.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 09, 2009, 09:58
I wonder why they (or George) hasn't been bringing more nest 'fixings' since yesterday? They've had time to rebuild again, yet they don't seem to be doing it
.

I hope that their spirit hasn't been crushed.  I think they are very "worried" that the same thing is going to happen again.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 09, 2009, 11:49
Looks like they've put a few more twigs in there now.  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 09, 2009, 15:29
Mrs is back in the nest box, sitting amidst her scant fluff and twigs.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 09, 2009, 15:38
Ravens can have up to 7 eggs, and only mom incubates, so it will be different from the falcons for sure. 

Imagine how crowded this box would get if the ravens really do brood here! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 17:57
Weezie has been in the box for awhile and then just spent some time looking like she heard something and she kept looking up...either it was George or perhaps a falcon has come home.  she is back sitting but I wonder what she was looking at.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 09, 2009, 18:02
I am staying silent here but I saw the same thing and wondered.  I will be going down tomorrow.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 18:04
I am staying silent here but I saw the same thing and wondered.  I will be going down tomorrow.

Yeah it was the way she looked, maybe one of the falcons is out there assessing the situation.  I might just be paranoid tho  :-X
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 18:13
I notice George has been busy while I was out, I see big branches sticking out again. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 09, 2009, 18:41
I wish they'd get the hint!  I'm glad to see there's no egg there.  I would really have a problem then.  I have no doubt about who I want to watch there this summer, but I don't want a battle either.  Move on over, George and Weezie! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 09, 2009, 18:45
I don't think they're gonna 'Move Over' at all - sure wish they had, but the way it looks - no way.  :( - It's a no-win situation, we just have to hope for the best - somehow! :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 09, 2009, 18:46
Well the problem is there really is no hint cept for the pesky humans and really, who pays attention to those creatures with the bad hair  :P.  Had there been falcons there, they'd have flown right on by but instead they see a vacant house, with a balcony, nice view...can't say I blame them.  

Perhaps next year, the 'owners' might consider some *ahem* doors to the place.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 09, 2009, 18:48
Perhaps an alarm system wired right to the police station.  Or to the biologists, at least!  lol 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 09, 2009, 21:55
Announcement on site by biolgists

Current News - April 7th, 2009 - Those ravens are fast! As many viewers noticed, as soon as University workers removed the nest on Friday, the ravens started rebuilding it again! In continued preparation for the peregrines return from Colombia, Gord Court and company removed the nest today once again.

April 3rd, 2009 - A few days ago we noticed that a couple of ravens had begun to make a nest within our peregrine box! Thank you to the viewers who brought this to our attention. After speaking with our esteemed biologist Gordon Court, it was decided that the nest could be removed to discourage the ravens from settling down. The ravens pose little to no threat to the peregrines, as the nest will almost certainly be reclaimed by peregrines upon their return. So please, do not be worried! Friday April 3rd some University staff removed the twigs, getting rid of the ravens nest entirely. Hopefully they do not rebuild as the peregrine falcons should be back anytime now!


 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 10, 2009, 11:41
One of the Ravens on the nest right now and some very large sticks in the box.. amazing they can fly up there with those big long sticks in tow.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 10, 2009, 15:34
George and Weezie seem to be enjoying the holiday ... they're awfully cuddly today.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 10, 2009, 15:44
Two peregrine falcons have been sighted in Calgary, Alberta - near the University there.  I am just poking around the internet to see if Alberta has any sightings at all yet and found that-there is a nest site there so might be their pair.  Someone spotted them on Wednesday of this week. 

Not sure of the distance between Calgary and Edmonton but might give us a hint as to whether any are headed here.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 10, 2009, 17:12
Calgary is about a 2 1/2 to 3 hour drive from Edmonton?? - Around there anyway. - so as the 'Peregrine' flies, it would be shorter!! :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 10, 2009, 18:34
Calgary is about a 3 hour drive from Edmonton, depending if you want a ticket or not. ;D
Calgary always arrives before Edmonton, so ours should be here soon.  there is a nest site at the University of Calgary. the female had a transmitter and they had to change batteries but could not last year as she had her  chicks  already.

I did not get there today but will tomorrow for sure. I had 3 batches of Easter bread to make. Just done now.

I hope our male is O.K.
They are late for Calgary so ....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 10, 2009, 19:28
I was down at the nest site today about 4:00 p.m., and there was no sign of the ravens or the falcons.  I went to the top of the parkade, hoping for a glimpse of one or the other, but no luck.  The female raven is on the nest now, as I write, but I don't know where they went while I was there.  Of course, I don't know where to look for falcons or ravens, either, in the area.  Bev is the expert on this.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 10, 2009, 20:40
I will tel you all the places.

Look on the Campus tower roof on the antennae, that is where the male likes to hang out.
the female from last year, Radisson, liked those ledges that I showed often in pictures.

If you check your messages often I will let you know when I go down and I will show you the places to look. 

Of course , if there is anew male or female that could change.

When I saw the ravens they went behind the clinical science building at the hospital and then I spotted them at the Suite hotel and Newton aprtments. Down form Tim Hortons
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 10, 2009, 20:44
There is no hiding from Bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 10, 2009, 20:48
Down form Tim Hortons

See even the birds like Timmy's - maybe stand outside with a donut in your hand and a double-double and see if they come running!!! :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 00:30
Love it Carly ;D ;D ;D

A mention was made, by a friend, that the ravens would eat fries and burgers form MacDonalds ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 12:26
I know this is a 'tech' question but don't want to start a new thread way over on the 'Forum' subject  ;D - Anybody else notice that we can't get into this thread without signing on?  ??? Not that there's anything wrong with that  :P - just wondering....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:06
Anyone have a magnifying glass?  What is that on the edge of the ramp outside, black, furry looking.....on Cam 1. ???  Is it a shadow?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:19
I think it's just a shadow...I'm trying to figure out what we're looking at on camera 2  ???
Kinda looks like a screen or something..?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:23
Yes Cam 2 has been weird since this morning...maybe the sun beaming in??  Or dirt on the cam?  It poured quite a bit yesterday for awhile so I wonder if something got onto the lense.  Or maybe those crafty ravens are onto us and they purposely smudged the lense so we can't peek at them  ;)

I think you're right about the shadow, probaby from the branches..now that the sun is moving I can see I was seeing things  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:30
Ahh, that's most likely rain droplets that got into the lens...thanks.

So I guess no news is good news about the return of falcons..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: kittenface April 11, 2009, 14:35
spoh9 on Hancock found a Falcon this morning I lightened it up but yup it is one NOW WHAT is going to happen is the next question?
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/april09%20part%201/alberta.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:37
Yup..that certainly is a falcon...OH NO!

Now what is an excellent question....has anyone seen anything today though? 
I wonder where Bev is today...maybe she wandered down there...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:40
ACK!!  Oh!!!  Radisson??!!!  Dad??!!  Oh dear, I am going to stay glued now...I wonder if Bev knows!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 14:41
Uh oh!!!  :o - Well at least there are no eggs in there yet!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:42
Ok she knows, I found her on the other board and someone has posted it there for her!  She's on there right now.

SHE'S ON HER WAY DOWN NOW SHE SAID ON THE OTHER SITE.  (SHE BEING BEV)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 14:43
I wish the lens wasn't full on condensation!! - Can't see!!! (Maybe it's better that way?) :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:46
I'm going to be glued here now...the one thing I didn't want to do!

I'm so nervous right now...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 14:48
I have been watching all morning while I was posting at Delta. I did not see her.
Of course I was asleep at that time :)
I have e-mailed the biologists and now I am on my way down.  

Eli if you are here, we are the only fools with binoculars and camera.  I will have a beige sweater on  and brown pants. My hair   is brown and my husband a 2 tone blues shirt an glasses.  Check Hortons also  :) :)  I have not told Peter yet, as I Just read it.

I have butterflies and very nervous

That you are seeing on the cam is the humidity build up. we had a thunder storm last night and now a beautiful day today. Remember that from last year.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:50
Well there are no eggs so it's good.  Perhaps whoever is home will lay back until they are two...or perhaps he/she has already mailed the eviction notice!!

Bev, drive carefully...tell Radisson or Dad or TG that the best strategy is to wait on top of the building and pick them off one at a time ....not to go storming in!  Well that's what I'd do if I was a falcon!  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:51
Good luck today Bev and Eli....

All of us are with you and will be watching the cams and posting  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 14:52
Good luck today Bev and Eli....

All of us are with you and will be watching the cams and posting  ::)

Ditto..here is hoping for a peaceful resolution.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 14:52
Well there are no eggs so it's good.  Perhaps whoever is home will lay back until they are two...or perhaps he/she has already mailed the eviction notice!!

Bev, drive carefully...tell Radisson or Dad or TG that the best strategy is to wait on top of the building and pick them off one at a time ....not to go storming in!  Well that's what I'd do if I was a falcon!  ;)
Can you translate that into falcon talk Bev?   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 14:56
I just  gave my husband the news. Now the best time to go is morning or around 4 or evening but we are out the door as I type. I do not have my good camera but I have my hands to  clap:) :)

this was around the time last year that Radisson made a brief appearance before she finally decided it was  home. I am  just shaking as I type so i best stop now.

Bev

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:00
Good luck Bev....
I know by telling you we are there with you doesn't help considering I'm in Winnipeg but...my heart and soul is there with you! 

Clap away!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:03
I just brought cam 3 up...Weezie in the box?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:06
I try putting that darkened shot up next to one of Radisson from last year and it just may be her..hard to tell.  Good job on the lightening up though kittenface.

You know I may have seen her this morning, I checked at about 5:15 am Edmonton time and I saw a shadow but I thought to myself..nah..you're half asleep and you just want to see her....*sigh* should have stayed looking :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:11
Yup...still in there!

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:15
Hmm...I wonder, maybe if it's Radisson and she's alone, she may not do anything?  After all she's young and was only there a few months.  Dad on the other hand would probably be miffed as he was there for several years...maybe she will wait for him to arrive.

I think if she had been upset, we'd have seen something today but it looks calm.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:18
Good point Carly...

It has been quiet today which is a very good thing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:25
There has certainly been a lot of movement going on in the box during the last few minutes..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:27
Yes wish that cam would uncondense so we could see what is going on in there.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:29
I know, tell me about it!

I hate this....I'm so nervous right now.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:30
OH NO!!

Did anyone see that??????????
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 15:32
Yes but not quite sure what I saw, Radisson maybe, too fleeting to tell
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:32
Me too, I'm really torn now.  I was so looking forward to seeing Radisson again - hoping that she had made it through another winter migration cause so many don't.  And to see her (possibly) or any of the other 2 fly all the way home to - well nada - is disheartening.  

Whatever happens, I just don't want to see any bloodshed on either side.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:32
The cam captured an image of the falcon doing a too close for comfort fly-by  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 11, 2009, 15:33
Yes, on camera 3 a blurred action shot of a peregrine.  I really wish they had streaming so we could tell what is going on.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:33
Ack no I saw nothing..!  Going to open a new window!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:34
Ok I"m keeping cam 1 up now...wonder if she/he is doing fly by's.  I guess I spoke too soon.  The dad raven usually stays nearby....poor Bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 15:35
Yes that is what I thought, a flyby but too quick for a good look,
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:38
Obviously..the falcon knows there is something in there...when George or Weezie leave the box unguarded, that falcon's going to go in there. 
I don't like this....I don't like this one bit!!!
I'm keeping it on cam 1 for now to see if there are going to be anymore fly-by's. 
Okay falcon....don't be silly and go in there.  WAIT, just wait!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:38
SBG got a shot and it was a falcon, she's posted it here:  you can clearly see it's a falcon!!

http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=840&start=135&mforum=peregrinefalcon

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:44
Well given this box is a different configuration than the NL box where all that fighting took place..there may be hope.  Over there you pretty much had to go in to draw them out..but here she may be buzzing to try and draw the raven out.  As long as she doesn't go in and get cornered ...George will be the tough one as he's huge but I think she could take Weezie easily...not that I'm wishing it or anything.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 15:45
I thought I was seeing things, Im not terribly adept at computers I thought I had done something wrong. Im worried about where the male raven is
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:45
Yup...that was the image I saw!    :o

I wonder if Bev is already there watching this???

The fly by was just the beginning....The other Raven that is on patrol outside the box was probably quite angry at the fly by falcon.

Oh...I don't know if I can take this  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:47
Well given this box is a different configuration than the NL box where all that fighting took place..there may be hope.  Over there you pretty much had to go in to draw them out..but here she may be buzzing to try and draw the raven out.  As long as she doesn't go in and get cornered ...George will be the tough one as he's huge but I think she could take Weezie easily...not that I'm wishing it or anything.
That's what I'm worried about right now...Where was George during this fly by?  If he was standing guard and watching the fly-by...i don't even want to think about it  :'(
I hope Bev rounds people up to clap really loud down there  :-[
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 15:49
It's not going to be easy to watch and if this were just another site where I didn't know the birds..I would not watch as you know..I'm quite the wimp.  But I can't just not watch knowing our Radisson might get hurt...

George is either nearby or he may be out getting food?  After all until today there were no falcons...so he might be unawares as of yet...!  Although weezie didn't seem perturbed...we need to get Bev a Blackberry so she can message us!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:54
Amazing...all was calm until we saw that image of the fly by  :'(

I understand Carly.  I feel the same about Radisson as you do...

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 15:55
I may have to run away and hide my head, I dont want anyone to get hurt on either side. Im such a mushy soul I cant control it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 15:58
We're all mushy sheltiegirl...it's okay, you're in good company  ;)

We don't want anything to happen to both sides either.
I can't believe this is happening....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 16:01
Obviously whoever was buzzing is now recovered fromt he flight home and trying to figure out how to get her/his house back.  

I just hope George and whomever aren't having an altercation as we sit here waiting...it's strange he hasn't shown up though.  You'd think she'd have called out at least??!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 16:03
I'm hoping for the same thing Carly...just want the falcon to relax after the flight home.  NOT get into this right now!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 16:03
Looks like Weezie may be watch something outside the box
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 11, 2009, 16:04
Oh...I don't know if I can take this  :-\


Watching these cams is such an emotional rollercoaster ride.  Today I saw 3 beautiful new chicks in Rome and a second egg laid at Elk River.  Happy times.  And then I went to de Mortel and watched yesterday's video of another falcon challenging for the nestsite.  First harassing Pa and then S2 and the challenger in aerial acrobatics.  I couldn't tell what the outcome was even after translating the post but assumed both Pa and S2 O.K. At that point I decided I wasn't going to watch that site for a while. But like Carly and Allikat, I need to know how things turn out for Radisson.  Talons crossed for a good outcome here.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 16:06
Oh no Maggie, I didn't know about S2 and Pa having another challenger.  Oh dear, I hope it turned out okay.  They've had enough angst at the site.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 16:10
I didn't know either...oh my!

I hope no one is injured.  Too much has gone on at that site.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 11, 2009, 16:29
...we need to get Bev a Blackberry so she can message us!!

I am with you Carly! Bev could be sending us up to the minute updates  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 11, 2009, 16:33
If Im not mistaken you can get skype for your cell phone and she could send us live video feed . We could see everything in living colour
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 16:38
This waiting and not knowing is agonizing...even the smell of pizza cooking is not cheering me up.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 16:39
Oh...I don't know if I can take this  :-\


Watching these cams is such an emotional rollercoaster ride.  Today I saw 3 beautiful new chicks in Rome and a second egg laid at Elk River.  Happy times.  And then I went to de Mortel and watched yesterday's video of another falcon challenging for the nestsite.  First harassing Pa and then S2 and the challenger in aerial acrobatics.  I couldn't tell what the outcome was even after translating the post but assumed both Pa and S2 O.K. At that point I decided I wasn't going to watch that site for a while. But like Carly and Allikat, I need to know how things turn out for Radisson.  Talons crossed for a good outcome here.
I went to the de Mortel site and watched the video...I hope that the intruder was escorted out without any need for battle...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 16:41
This waiting and not knowing is agonizing...even the smell of pizza cooking is not cheering me up.
I can't take my eyes off the camera....I hope Bev is holding up!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 16:53
ACK - Can't refresh at work !!  >:(- let me know if anything happens gang!! Thanks!! :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 16:59
No worries we will.. Seems like nothing at all is going on since the fly by.  IF there is, it's going on off cam.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 18:23
I just checked the cam and seems that weezie is still in the box, I could be wrong though.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 18:26
She hasn't budged all day eagle.  And no sign of George at all, even when the falcon buzzed the nest box.  We suspect he's out there defending the nest as that's what we've read they do and she doesn't seem worried.  He has to come home and feed her eventually though. Or she will have to leave...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 11, 2009, 18:38
It's been quite  a while since Bev went down to the site. I'm looking forward to her report and am somewhat surprised not to see her standing on a ladder imploring the Raven to move on.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 18:42
I can't believe she hasn't moved all day...she must be getting hungry.  So I don't know where George is as Weezie will have to leave to eat.
I also can't wait for Bev's report about her day.
Maybe we need to send her garbage mitts to make her clapping sounds a lot louder  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 18:44
If Weezie hasn't moved all day would that mean she's laid eggs?? ??? - Hope NOT!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 18:46
I think we're all hoping that right now... :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 18:49
Speak of the devil!!  Is that him???  Or was that her flipping around, I saw big feathers hanging out of the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 18:52
If Weezie hasn't moved all day would that mean she's laid eggs?? ??? - Hope NOT!!!

Not necessarily, it might just mean they know the falcon is back and she's not going to leave the box and risk losing it...remember these are crafty birds. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 18:58
Aha - Squatters rights!! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 19:15
hmmm...I think we have an empty box right now
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 19:19
Grrr...this site needs streaming video...didn't even see her move.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 19:22
Yeppers an empty nest.  Wonder what will happen next?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 19:23
I missed it as well...I think he came into the box, then they both left together...only a guess as I only caught the captured image!
Grrrr, is right.  Live streaming would be so much better!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 19:26
Ok I thought I saw him so he must have been around then and is escorting her.  I hope our falcon is okay and just laying back waiting before doing anything dangerous.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 19:29
Same here Carly!

Hope our falcon is just resting somewhere keeping an eye out for her/his mate and won't do anything stupid right now...please oh please don't!

I hope Bev's doing okay down there!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Barb April 11, 2009, 19:44
what is the news about radisson ?Could some one please post Edmontons web
address as I have lost it  Thanks
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 19:45
I really don't think the falcon will go into the box..as TPC says, they don't want to get cornered in there and it's full of branches so no doubt she saw that as she when she landed there this morning.  I think it will be more of trying to drive them off in the sky...I'm hoping anyway.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 19:47
We think she may have come home this morning - no positive ID on the returning falcon yet - and Ravens have taken over her nestbox.  You will find the topic under Alberta section.

Link to website with cams:  http://www.falconcam.med.ualberta.ca/index.html
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 19:50
Ya, that's right.  She must of caught a really good look at it this morning when she landed on the ledge of the box.  Good call on that Carly.
I'm keeping everything crossed that everything is okay.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 20:16
Weezie is back and I notice George was in cam range escorting her back and waiting until she was safely in the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 20:38
Hope we have a peaceful night....wonder if Bev brought her tent & sleeping bag..?  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 20:49
Be a bit cold yet for a sleeping bag and tent I would think.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 20:49
Yes...here's hoping for a peaceful night at the nestbox!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 20:50
Yay...Bev is back...what news Bev, is the falcon okay?  We saw her/him buzz the nestbox earlier and were worried??
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:00
*just waiting and waiting and waiting* lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 21:00
Bev is probably typing furiously as we speak! 8)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:01
You're probably right about that ballywing
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:03
Be calm Eagle...what minute at a time ;) LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:04
lol you read my post on the other board didn't you! lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:05
lol you read my post on the other board didn't you! lol
Of course I did!  Hee hee
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Eye-spy April 11, 2009, 21:06
A raven ? ? ?  That sounds like a snack for a Peregrin  ::)  " Thanks for lookin after the place for me....pass the salt....."
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 21:06
Hi guys. well, man oh man. I wish I could have phoned you Carly. I forgot your number.

I am going to keep you in suspense. ;D ;D

when we got down there we saw the female falcon right away.
I will post pictures later. Not good ones as I only had small camera.

Here we go
2:45 Edmonton time.
 female falcon on tower to the left of nest box. Just sitting so beautifully.
Obviously from your reports there was a raven inside. i could not see that.
She was so beautiful and I am guessing it was RAdisson as she was so comfortable.
she did not make a sound and then flew off  about 15 minutes later. so I assumed no one was in the box. and that she went hunting.

I want to see no one hurt. she is smart, our girl. Never made a move to go inside.

We walked around looking for ravens and falcons. I assumed the female falcon took a break.

We walked all round the University. We watched from the parkade for quite awhile .
We thought we saw one Raven behind the parkade trying to rouse the magpie out of its nest. Maybe looking for a spot for his bride.

So as we were heading back to parkade, I looked up and there was the female falcon flying back to clinical science building.

She rested on the front part of the jut , where Cassie did her first flight, and was beautiful. and then that beautiful sound. she  started cacking  and cacking.


This was about 4:45pm Edmonton time.  these times are approximate.Peter said the camera has exact time.  
She then started to fly around the area. It was beautiful and then she started doing flybys past the nest box screaming. Then I realized there must be a raven inside.
She did this  several times and then flew off. There  were no attacks by any ravens. Not one in sight, but I knew there must be one in the box.
No sign all the time I was down there of the male raven , unless that was him over behind the parkade. Radisson was not in danger at all. but I was in agony.

After a bit we went for supper down at the university. I convinced Peter that I had to stay.
If I could have gone up that ladder today, I would have.  My heart felt for the raven , but I was so happy for RAdisson. I think the white structure hindered her flying too close to box.

When we came out of supper, I looked up and saw a  falcon circling around the area by the clinical science and calling.
I will write part 2 in next post sorry I had to correct some things


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 11, 2009, 21:09
Excellent update Bev! - Looking forward to Part 2! - but hubby is patiently (?) waiting for me to start a movie and I keep taking off & not coming back ;D - keep up the great work, you could really write a book about all this one day Bev! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 21:12
I knew it was our Radisson..yay!  She made it home safely!!   :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 11, 2009, 21:12
I think a raven is more like a full course meal and then some leftovers.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:13
She writes a book and we'd all buy a copy lmao

And yippeeeeeee that it is Radisson!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:13
GREAT update Bev...

We were all freaking out on our end about Radisson possibly making a wrong move.

Glad to know that nothing happened outside of our eyes....meaning outside the box!

Whew!!!!!

Can't wait for update #2  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:14
GREAT update Bev...

We were all freaking out on our end about Radisson possibly making a wrong move.

Glad to know that nothing happened outside of our eyes....meaning outside the box!

Whew!!!!!

Can't wait for update #2  ;)
P.S.  Does your husband climb ladders?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:14
Falcons are smart, she knows what to do and what not to do!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:15
I think a raven is more like a full course meal and then some leftovers.
A LOT of left-overs  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 11, 2009, 21:17
Thanks for the update Bev. I hope you can sleep tonight! Since I last posted, I finished the housecleaning, washed the car and came back to find 3 pages of Edmonton updates. It's has been one exciting day!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:18
I know birdcamfan, I was away the afternoon and had stuff to do tonight and just sat down and had to read like 3 pages. What a day!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:19
It was certainly a day of drama  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 21:19
Lol...me too, I'm exhausted but was so worried about our girl and what was going on there!  Thank you, thank you, thank you Bev!!  I wouldn't have been able to rest at all not knowing!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:22
To say the least Allikat. The one day I am out an about and it all happens! But at least I got to see an egg laid today, that was way cool!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:26
You miss the drama Eagle and I miss the egg being laid :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:27
Awwwww allikat I wish you could have seen it :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:28
Awwwww allikat I wish you could have seen it :(
which site...Elk River?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:30
Yes it was in Elk River, (sorry Tracy little side tracked here while we wait for Bev to post her second post)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:33
Oops....sorry TPC.
That's my mistake as I questioned Eagle....
We'll just wait patiently  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:34
lol okay patiently we are waiting la la la lala
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:36
lol okay patiently we are waiting la la la lala
And more la la la lalala and la la la la..
sorry bev...are we putting pressure on you?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 21:38
Well we came out of supper as I said and there was  a falcon calling and flying around by the clinical Science building. I thought it must be the female. But wait , I see another falcon on the back corner of the new hospital. We are up the street from the nest box, but can see it and the back part of the new hospital

Could it be???Yes, I believe dad is back. Now I will have to read all the posts to see if there were any flybys at this time(about 6:35 Edmonton time.
Now I am mad that i ate.  ;D ;D Peter was starved though.

 so   we watch the falcon   on the back of hospital and can see nothing by nest box. The falcon is eating.


Then the other falocn flies over  and lands on dads tower. Yes, this must be the male.  I am so excited, but apprehensive also.  

WE walked all the way over to clinical science building and had to go around the corner a bit and there  was the female .She can see the nest box  from where she is. She looks great.

Then I looked over  on another lower building  to her left and there is a Raven. I looked over and dad is gone.  Mom gives a few calls and the RAven makes about 2 calls and is gone.

So silly us think that the ravens must have been chased off.

Peter and I  went back up to to the parkade and saw nothing.
We  went back down and mom  was still in her spot so we decided to look for the male.
He was not in his sleep quarters, so as we decide to head home , I look over to the clinical science building and there is the male. He is on the far corner facing the  parkade. Must be watching  for ravens , I t hought. Mom  was still in her spot.
So we  drove over to the clinical science building and parked illegally and there are both falcons, soaring like they have no cares in the world.  

No ravens in sight, but  mom and dad are  comfortable.  I would be very surprised if this was not last years pair. They were in the same spots as last year and were so comfortable together. they flew out of view.
We knew we would have to leave as I would not know if anything was in the box till I got home.

So we have both falcons back :) :) Round one , who knows. The falcons seem to be bidding their time.

I feel for the raven inside, because I think the falcons are watching.  I feel better that there are 2  falcons. I saw no attacks by the raven.  It was not even around before we went to supper.

I am guessing the male returned some time between 5:45 and 6:35, as that is when we were at supper.
so guys keep your eyes peeled. the female will have to leave there sometime. I do not think the falcons are too worried, as of yet.  I think if the female leaves , they will not hurt her. they did not hurt the other raven, that I saw anyway.

Now I will see what I have for pictures.
sorry I took so long, but I could not leave.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 21:40
She may have taken a break..see her name vanished.  Poor girl probably needs to eat something or have a nice drink of something!  Oh wait she's back..lol!

I am off to bed but I will be up at the crack of dawn to watch, I'm bleary eyed ...hopefully things should be quiet now.  Falcons don't muck around after dark...let's hope Dad arrives home tomorrow!!

Dad's back too??!!@  Woohoo..oh now I am really relieved!!  They will take care of each other!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:42
Well now time will tell what this story is to end like. Hopefully all for the good. Glad to hear Dad was back.

Bev you have nothing to apologize for we know it takes time to check things out much less run back to the computer and update all us Phanatics!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 11, 2009, 21:44
I just returned from the Clinical Sciences Building (8:15 p.m. Alberta time).  Just after I arrived, the female raven flew into the nestbox; no sign of her mate.  One falcon eventually flew over and headed towards Windsor Park Highrise, where he/she can get a good view of the nest site.  The falcon stayed at this spot, and was still there when I left.

Bev, somehow we missed each other at the site.  I stayed on the ground because I had my dogs with me (on my way later to off-leash).  

While watching, I met a fellow who lives on the top floor of Windsor Park, and he said that two falcons arrived here, one yesterday and one today; he also said they are both out to kill the ravens when they get the opportunity, and the male raven almost got killed by one of the falcons in a fly-by this morning.  Also, he mentioned your name in regards to the falcon, and knows you and your husband.  He had alot of information on birds in the area and the falcons in particular, because from his apartment, on the top floor of Windsor Park, he sees everything.


I do not think we have to worry about the falcons - all they have to do is bide their time, go hunting and eating when they have to, look for an opportunity to attack, and wait it out; the female raven has to leave the nest to eat, and the male has to protect her at the risk of his own life.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:46
Bev...we love you!!!

Great updates and this news that both falcons are back in wonderful!!!!!

There were no fly by's, that we could see anyway, at the 6:35 pm Edmonton time.

They both did leave the nestbox and no one, meaning the falcons, came into the box...so who knows. 

I'm very happy that there were no disputes today....my guess is that the falcons just want to get food, rest and get re-acquainted  :-* &  :P

Good news all around! 

Lets hope that all is quiet tonight...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:48
For now all is quiet, it's wait and see, the Falcons will be watching the Ravens.  They could kill them easily when you consider they kill ducks for food.  So who knows what will happen.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 11, 2009, 21:50
I forgot to mention - it looks like there are eggs in the nest.  What a bad situation this is for the ravens, if they lose both their eggs and their lives.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 11, 2009, 21:50
Oh no, eggs?  I can't tell with that smush on the lens.  All's quiet, but I see Weezie's settled in. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 21:51
Yeah for now but did you read the previous pages Liz, the falcons are back in town!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 11, 2009, 21:55
Thanks to both Bev and Eli for the reports.  I will be glued to the cam tomorrow..thank god it's Sunday!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:58
Thanks to both Bev and Eli for the reports.  I will be glued to the cam tomorrow..thank god it's Sunday!!
Yes...thank you to both Bev and Eli for your reports!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 21:59
I forgot to mention - it looks like there are eggs in the nest.  What a bad situation this is for the ravens, if they lose both their eggs and their lives.
Eggs??  OH NO...NO NO NO!!
I didn't see any before..really, there are eggs?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 11, 2009, 22:00
Yeah for now but did you read the previous pages Liz, the falcons are back in town!
So I see!  I was checking in all afternoon... saw the fly-by photo.  Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 22:01
Yippee on one hand and oh no on the other hand if there really is eggs by the ravens.  This is not gonna be pretty folks I don't think.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 22:04
I didn't see anything in the box earlier this evening, however it was hard to tell as there was condensation on the lens.  Did anyone else see anything?????
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 22:05
I couldn't see a thing and now it's down so can't even check even if I wanted to.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 11, 2009, 22:11
Darn...guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow!

If some of you are celebrating Easter tomorrow by having dinner with family/friends....Have a HAPPY EASTER!

I'll be a nervous wreck tomorrow evening as I will be away...guess I'll come home to 3 pages of unread posts  :P

I didn't know that falcons could kill ravens easily...thought it would be more of a fight...NOT THAT I WANT TO WITNESS ONE OR WANT THERE TO BE ONE!  Anyone know the answer to that question?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 11, 2009, 22:11
I think TPC is the best one to answer that question.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 22:12
I just lost my post.
sorry I missed you Eli.

We were all over. I kept looking to see if anyone was looking for us.
I think the mans name is Wayne. i talked to him in great length last year. Very interesting man. so the  female must have come back yesterday becasue I did not see the male until after supper today. then it was raining here last night so she was probably tired and not wanting to do anything.
I feel bad if there are eggs. i did not get the impression that the falcons would kill them unless they really had to, because they let the one tonight just sit there.

It looked smaller so it could have been the female.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 11, 2009, 22:18
We must have just missed  the female raven going into the nest, then.  That is why the falcons took off.  the ravens were gone at the time.

I thought I saw a raven in the box during the flybys. but when I looked when we left I could not see anything.
I feel bad if there are eggs but there is lots of time left for them to build a nest and have more. I saw a big Raven , maybe the male, trying to claim a nest in a big tree at Corbett Hall,behind the parkade. Maybe it is the male here and he is looking for a new nest. I hope so.

Peter said to say , the falcons were going on a supper date :) :)

I will e-mail you again Eli , when we are going down there. I would love to show you all the spots they hang out at. I am sure Wayne filled you in.

I am out to supper at 5 tomorrow. My daughter is cooking.  I am out to church in the morning also. so I am going to miss some things. Keep your eyes peeled. 

I will try and talk Peter into going there before supper.  No promises though.  I need to  live down there. ;D ;D
I am off to get some photos now. Be back in a bit

Happy Easter everyone.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 11, 2009, 22:39
Peter has a great sense of humour!  I look forward to his wit all summer, bev.  Happy Easter to you, too.   :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 11, 2009, 22:52
One thing again I forgot to mention before with all the drama at the nest site is that the female raven was very clever tonight, as she knew the falcon was close by watching her, so she flew only very short distances to get to where she needs to go (in this case, back to the nest), and very close to the buildings, and she places herself in small areas, and the falcons cannot attack her easily under these circumstances.  

I would be able to concentrate on how wonderful it is to have our falcons back if it wasn't for this awful situation.

Bev: I hadn't planned on going down to the nest site tonight, as I live quite far away from the University of Alberta (it takes me at least 25 minutes to get there by car); but I just had to see what was happening, so I did not have time to notify you of my intentions.  I will try and make it down there tomorrow as I am very worried about the whole situation. It will have to be after Easter dinner.  

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 07:21
8:20 AM EST:  Weezie in the box sitting tight...can't see if there are eggs under at all as she's not budging yet.  No sign of Radisson or dad as of yet, no George yet either.

Cam 2 has cleared up this morning so you can see in the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 12, 2009, 07:37
Just caught up on the reports, many thanks Bev and Eli.  Really good news that both falcons are back  ;D 
Hopefully they can harrass the ravens enough that they will move on.  I see that camera 2 has cleared up this morning so that we can tell what is going on in the nestbox.  Weezie seems to have glued herself there  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 12, 2009, 08:00
FALCON flyby at the nestbox  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 08:01
Darn, I must be on a different refresh cycle than you.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 12, 2009, 08:04
Darn, I must be on a different refresh cycle than you.

It seems to just be pure luck.  It was on camera 1, I only caught it because I noticed that Weezie on cam 2 seemed to be watching something.  Scary how close those big wings come to the nestbox and platform. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 08:06
So much for our falcons laying back and biding their time I guess... :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 08:28
I am just up and going to get ready for church.

I will poke around on other sites and seed what I can see.

I think they will continue to buzz the nest but I cannot see them going in , until they get her out.
she is so close to the front.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 08:59
I checked some other forums, but I guess it is Easter and like me, we are getting ready for church.

Happy EAster Everyone.

i hope this works out in the best possible way now. they maybe will not have their eggs but I hope they have their lives to lay more eggs, elsewhere.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 09:03
Happy Easter Bev!!

Weezie is not giving up any secrets this morning at all.  She was just almost standing on her head...weird!!  She keeps moving around but I can't quite see fully under her so no idea if anything is there but doesn't look like it from the last stand on my head pose. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 09:36
Well I hope she gets out of there safe and sound.

 I am off to church now.

I will check in when I can.
I got your Pm Carly. thanks . I will send you one as soon as I can :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 09:45
One egg in the nestbox confirmed.. Weezie just too off out of the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 12, 2009, 09:59
I thought she was looking underneath herself as though she was looking for something. It sure is a tiny egg for such a huge bird. I was hoping this wouldn't happen.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 10:01
Apparently Ravens usually lay between 4-7 eggs.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 12, 2009, 10:01
She is in and out of the box a lot, maybe she sees something that we don't see.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sheltiegirl April 12, 2009, 10:05
We are away until tomorrow evening, Happy Easter everyone,
Hopefully things go better at this nest
Perhaps George has found Weezie a new penthouse
Unfortunate about the egg though.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 10:19
Happy Easter to you too Sheltie.

Both George and Weezie back and in the nestbox.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 12, 2009, 10:28
I see that the male raven just escorted the female back to the nestbox, then he left, but not before what looked like a very vocal argument with one, or both, falcons.  I think for him to survive being attacked while flying to another building, he is going to have to be very clever, especially as he almost got killed yesterday.  I can't see the female raven laying any more eggs with all this conflict going on around her.  I don't think there is any chance of them keeping the nest box, but I sure hope they can both escape being killed.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 10:30
Uh..oh..weezie is yelling, beak wide open.  You are correct Eli, 2 falcons will definitely eventually get him unless he is clever.  She is in the middle of egg laying so she is vulnerable otherise she might be out there with him.  *sigh* well we expected this didn't we.  ???

Whether we like it or not, nature will now settle things.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 10:52
George on the outside rung, Weezie has been screaming alot..not sure if the falcons are buzzing or if she's laying another egg...george in the box now.  Something is definitely going on. :o

He's moved to the other building now.  still in cam view though.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 12, 2009, 11:10
I really didn't want this to happen at all..I guess I should correct that, ALL of us didn't!

Now it's up to nature and I hope there are no injuries or death's.

I didn't realize that a falcon could take a raven that easily  :-[

I just hope they are all careful with this situation and it just boils down to vocal arguments....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 11:19
I don't think they can take them as easily as other birds as Ravens can also fly upside down quite well.  In this case though we have 2 falcons who are  tag teaming him so it may be a matter of wearing him down as Weezie is otherwise occupied.  He's already survived 1 day of attacks so he's no dummy.

That being said, George and Weezie may just decide it's not worth it and after a day or two of this - they may voluntarily move on.  Ravens are quite intelligent so they may conclude - not worth dying for..that's what I'm hoping.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 12, 2009, 11:20
Nooooo - what horrible timing!!!! - We did not want EGGS to be part of the scenario!!!  :o - DANG IT!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 12, 2009, 11:28
I don't think they can take them as easily as other birds as Ravens can also fly upside down quite well.  In this case though we have 2 falcons who are  tag teaming him so it may be a matter of wearing him down as Weezie is otherwise occupied.  He's already survived 1 day of attacks so he's no dummy.

That being said, George and Weezie may just decide it's not worth it and after a day or two of this - they may voluntarily move on.  Ravens are quite intelligent so they may conclude - not worth dying for..that's what I'm hoping.
That's exactly what I'm hoping for too.  Let's hope they make that decision.  They can have vocal arguments all they want, but let's hope only good things come out of this.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 12, 2009, 11:58
If anyone got the impression from me that they could kill Ravens easily, that's not what I meant. I meant that they wouldn't be impossible because Falcons have speed on their side.  The best scenerio would be for George and Weezie to realize that they have all the odds stacked against them with two falcons eyeballing them and to just leave. However, nature being what it is, time will tell just what will happen.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 12:07
I think we just all assume that our falcons are invincible..but they are like any other bird..some days, it's just not your day. 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 12, 2009, 12:07
No no Eagle...just wasn't sure is all.
We are all hoping for the best scenario...no bird gets injured or killed, and that George & Weezie realize that they are not in a good situation and/or position here.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 12, 2009, 12:11
I guess that was possible before, but now that eggs are laid, they're not going to up stakes without a fight :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 12, 2009, 12:27
Yeah the egg makes the difference between fighting and just leaving and they ain't leaving without a fight so it seems.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 12, 2009, 12:38
is it possible the falcons would just find a different spot?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 12:58
TPC will correct me if I'm wrong but I think since the falcons are bonded with this nest site, especially the tiercel who has been here for many years it probably won't happen unless they absolutely fail to drive the ravens out and Radisson gets close to laying eggs.  Still early for that though, since both just got home and are now distracted with this issue. 

Since they almost killed George yesterday, I'd say they aren't going to give up without a fight.  Radisson is a pretty tough girl too, it is assumed that she killed Baltzac girl to take this nest site...and we still have Falcon #3 who is on her way home too.  Stay tuned...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 13:57
Wish I could get there today guys, but I have a lot on my plate. I think ,since Peter is doing tablet fudge right now, he would kill me.
But i will be there tomorrow.


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 14:03
No worries Bev, just enjoy your day..not much going on that I can see other than lots of calling on Weezie's part ... both George and Weezie have been in and out 2 times today.  I haven't seen any falcons yet but I'm cooking lamb so back and forth and may have missed them.  Still only 1 egg in the box, she has been restless and darting her head about nervously.  Not much any human can do..it's up to the birds at his point and this could go on for days.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 14:29
It is just killing me not being on the ground watching.  I would have snuck out today but my other daughter phoned when we are at the sight yesterday , saying she was coming up for  Easter, now. I am thrilled and will drag her to the nest tomorrow also. :) :)
It is funny that yesterday we did not see the male around her at all and we were there for almost 5 hours.
I f I have time I will post where the falcons were sitting yesterday. My individual shots did not turn out so hot but i can give you an idea where the falcons are.

And the male can see everything from his tower on Windsor place.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 12, 2009, 14:33
I wish the biologists had just put together another box for the ravens as soon as this whole thing started; it would have perhaps saved us all alot of anxiety.  I have to go out for Easter right now, but I hope to make it down to the nestbox later this afternoon-early evening, even though I dread what I could see.  This is the long good-bye, and what a long, difficult process it is.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 14:33
I forgot that one of the biologists e-mailed me back and said that once the falcons get into gear the ravens and the nest will be gone. so they must know more about  their behavior.

He said that is why they were reluctant to take out the nest becasue they knew they would just keep building.  But I think they should have just kept clearing the nest and then the ravens would not have laid eggs.
but I guess they know best.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 14:37
Have a good dinner Eli.  I am not going till later but doing last minute things. I may have to go on the computer at my daughters to read what you have to say.

We will be down there for sure tomorrow.  Look at the windsor apartments and the college Plaza.

If you walk down past clinical science a bit , past second parkade, you might wee a falocn sitting on the corner of the new heart building.
they also like the towers on clinical science also, and the front face.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 14:47
these are not great pictures but they will give you an idea of where the falcons are sitting

You can delete them later , if you wish Tracy. they can see the box but she cannot see them. except on the heart building.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/draetonsconcert012.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/Draetonconcert033-1.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/Draetonconcert030-1.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/Draetonconcert023.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/Draetonconcert022-1.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/Draetonconcert009.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 12, 2009, 15:03
At first I thought the image was frozen, then I remembered that Alberta is one time zone behind us!  Makes me sound like I don't remember these things ::) when actually its a function of the immediacy of things so far away AND in your home at the same time!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 12, 2009, 15:12
TPC will correct me if I'm wrong but I think since the falcons are bonded with this nest site, especially the tiercel who has been here for many years it probably won't happen unless they absolutely fail to drive the ravens out and Radisson gets close to laying eggs.  Still early for that though, since both just got home and are now distracted with this issue. 

Since they almost killed George yesterday, I'd say they aren't going to give up without a fight.  Radisson is a pretty tough girl too, it is assumed that she killed Baltzac girl to take this nest site...and we still have Falcon #3 who is on her way home too.  Stay tuned...

I suspect this could be a hard-fought battle on both sides.  The peregrines want this site and are true predators while ravens are in fact songbirds.  But the ravens have eggs already which might make them fight harder.  But the ravens are already stressed by having their nests dismantled twice, could tip the balance in favour of the peregrines.  As the peregrines begin courtship et al, they will be more determined to take over the site so that might give them a bit more of an edge at that point.  All in all, going to be interesting to watch - and its nice that we have three cameras to do so!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 12, 2009, 15:25
Just occurred to me that if you replace "raven" with "workman" and "peregrine" with "raven" in the last day's worth of posts that it sounds pretty much like the conversation we were all having last weekend  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 15:27
George just came in for a quick visit and Weezie got up, that egg is a beautiful color - like a blue green color.  He is so devoted to her, you can't help but admire him.  Such a fascinating bird, I will never look at them the same way again.


Wow..a few minutes later, Weezie looking up at something and suddenly she just vaulted out of the nest..no George, it was stunning!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 12, 2009, 15:42
That's an egg?  I don't see the colour -- I was just being grateful that there was no egg.  Rats! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 15:43
Yes their eggs are blue-green in color.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 12, 2009, 15:45
It all looks grey to me.  Why is your colour better than mine?  Oh, yeah -- not a how-to thread.  Forget that I asked.   ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 15:49
Holy cow, was that a falcon!!!  Sure looked like one but upload looks weird, like a bunny in the sky!

(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/peregrinegirl/falconflyby.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 12, 2009, 16:07
Ooooh - Cool image!!!! 8)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 12, 2009, 16:12
My old eyes must be failing me.  What are we looking at in the left-hand photo? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 16:14
Yes, it was definitely a bird..the image had already started to refresh by the time I hit the capture.  It's the slotted looking bunny in the left image..it's a bird..lol..it was grey to my eye so I thought a falcon as it wasn't black like the ravens.\

Don't know why it came out that way...strange but kinda cool.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 12, 2009, 16:29
She's been off the egg for at least 10 mins -- something must be going on that we can't see? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 16:33
She's back with her escort  :P  They must have a food stash nearby or something, every few hours he escorts her out for 10 minutes or so then brings her back.  I've never seen them eat in the nestbox.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 16:36

I have to leave now but that was a falcon. she came from both directions yesterday. She was probably up on the hheart building roof.
I have a few picture I will post when I come home.
this is driving me nuts not to be able to see.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 16:38
Thanks Bev, I knew I wasn't hallucinating...well I didn't but now I'm sure..hehe  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 12, 2009, 19:02
Okay they've been leaving the nest alot for the past few hours...  Maybe Radisson and Dad are off smoochin somewhere and they think it's safe to go outside again  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 12, 2009, 19:05
Finally got my first glimpse of the egg- so small!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 12, 2009, 23:23
I finally got home adn see not too much was happening.
I will be down there tomorrow , early afternoon.
have a good evening.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 13, 2009, 07:14
Weezie dozing in the nest box this morning.   
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 13, 2009, 07:48
Weezie seems to have gone out for breakfast.  Still just one egg in the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 13, 2009, 08:49
Weezie is back with takeout.  I was starting to get my hopes up after nearly an hour with nobody home  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 09:04
This is indeed strange but I will see what I can see this afternoon.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 13, 2009, 10:28
I am going down later this morning - will report back. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 10:31
That is good Eli. maybe we will see you there.

I just heard about Mariah from Rochester and am extremely upset. fro me Falcons are all about Mariah . I cannot remember a time without her nesting. I am hoping for a speedy recovery.
I will off the board for a good part today.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 13, 2009, 14:36
there are two eggs there now
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 14:55
Empty Nest - with TWO eggs now!!  :o - oops, you beat me to it msdoolittle :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 13, 2009, 15:06
Welcome to "RAVEN-CAM" featuring George and Weezie.  I wonder if they will leave the camera on if they decide to let George and Weezie squat here for the season, or if they will cut the feed.    ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 13, 2009, 15:19
I just got back from the nest site.  When I arrived, the falcons were nowhere to be seen, and neither were the ravens.  But about 10 minutes later, the female raven arrived with her mate again riding shotgun right beside her, and she settled into the nest.  He flew over to the building right across from the nest site (the Heart Institute), where he could keep an eye on his mate.  He seemed to settle into a crevasse on top of this building, as I could not see him, but then he decided, in the absence of the falcons, to sit on the ledge in order to keep a better eye on the nest box; and he was smart, as he constantly watched the skies, looking for the falcons; eventually he settled back into his little spot where he could just barely see over the ledge, but it felt safer to him, I am sure.  Both birds, I've noticed, are flying very close to buildings, and very short distances if possible, because as soon as they are in the open, they are vulnerable.  The whole time I was there, no falcons, so I assume they are biding their time, going off to eat, relax, and recover from their long journey, while of course the ravens have to be constantly on guard, and have hardly any chances to get out and eat; mind you, they somehow found the time to get another egg on the way, from what I gather.  

I don't know what will happen next - the ravens are smart, courageous, and determined, but also vulnerable, and certainly no match for the falcons.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 15:30
I wonder if the falcons will just say 'Hmph, somebody beat us to that condo, lets go find another one'... ??? - somehow I doubt it? I want to see falcons, but seems the ravens really need that nest right now......sigh....don't know what to think or hope for!!  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 13, 2009, 15:42
Thanks for your report Eli.  I dont' recall Bev ever mentioning an alternate nest site at the location?  You know like Princess and Trey have - even tho we don't like the nest ledge, at least they do have an alternate location to choose from.  Maybe there is somewhere they hang out to court and to eat that is not visible to us but might be a good location for a nest site. 

I have read that in the wild ravens and falcons often nest near each other so it wouldn't be unusual.  I do want to see Radisson and dad back but not if it means the death of George and Weezie, they are such a cute couple - be a shame to see anything happen to him and her all alone with eggs.  Who knows, they may just surprise us!  Probably I'm humanizing their decision making process but hey a person can always hope!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 13, 2009, 16:16
I'm glad someone thinks they are a cute couple. I've kept my yap shut up to now, but I think they are kind of ugly. Industrious, but not cute.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 13, 2009, 16:31
Lol..birdcam!  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess, I mean more in their behaviour.  Seriously, you see the way he escorts her everywhere and dotes on her..I mean really..he's just the perfect mate!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 16:44
Very true, I guess like anything, or anyone - they're nothing special until you get to know them, then they take on personalities, we name them, watch their habits,  and 'voila' - we have cute!!  ;D - (But still somewhat the 'villains' for stealing our falcons apartment!  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 13, 2009, 17:10
I hear ya!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 17:19
well I have something to report also.
thanks for the report Eli. I am going to pm  you  later.
Peter and I got there at  about 1:30.

We went down by the clinical science building and as we were walking we heard music to my ears. the falcons.  I am not sure which one we saw.  But it buzzed the nest box a few times and then flew over the Heart building.
Peter and I proceeded to that area and there were the 2 falcons behind the Heart building, soaring so beautifully.  They seemed to be just enjoying the air and reacquainting themselves with the area.

We watched and watched and then one went out east and then north of the nest box and out of sight.

The other one , however, continued to soar over the heart building and then way behind the clinical science.
So we decided to head up to the parkade.

I was just in time to see the end of the attack. Peter saw the whole thing.  The falcon attacked the male raven as it came into the area. The raven slammed into the side of the clinical science building but the ledge saved it. It stayed there as the falcon continued to swoop.  
But the falcon could not get at it.  Then the raven went right onto the side of the white structure and stayed there while the female raven used the platform of the white structure to hop into the nest .

The male raven stayed there until the falcon left. The falcon just soared in the sky and then it also went out to the east and north of the nest box.

I do not know why they do not both attack. Do not get me wrong. I want no one hurt and I was just about  we----- myself during the attack.

When the male raven thought it was safe it flew to the jut if the clinical science building .

It stayed on guard for quite awhile.

We stayed around the area for 2 ;;hours and then it started to rain.

ABout 3:00 Edmonton time I saw the male raven fly off to the west. Peter watched the box while I  followed the male. I was right on Saturday.  He likes a tall spruce tree behind the parkade (Corbet hall area) It had found a peanut .  The magpies were watching it carefully.  Shortly after it flew back to the jut of clinical science building and then over our heads. You are right , I  was clapping ;D ;D
It must have anxious that the falcons were to come back. It sat on the top of the red extension building and then flew to the ledge below nest box and then to corner of Heart building, and then below to area where Cassie fledged too low last year(and they put her back). then back to the heart building.
It started to rain and we had to leave :( but may go back this evening).  At about 3:35pm the female raven flew out of the box and joined the male and they soared very low over heart building.


Now what I can tell you is that this will have to be an aerial fight, and i am nervous.  I really do not think the falcons will give up this site , as of yet. he male has been here a long time. and it is a good sight.The one biologist I know just seems to think that the falcons are just getting settled in. They are familiarizing themselves with the area.
Because we are who we are, we want no harm to come to anyone, but I do want to see my falcons.

By the way , that big tree is a great one to build a nest , if they have to.

It was so strange to not see the male raven in the area on Saturday, except behind the parkade. Now he has been warned.  



: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 13, 2009, 18:03
Bev, was the male raven hurt, or could you tell?  I left just before all this happened, and I know I would also have been upset to see this attack.  They have eggs, so I sure they will not give up, which means a fight - this is so tragic.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 18:10
Wow, it must have been upsetting to see that attack, my heart was in my throat just reading about it!!!  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 13, 2009, 18:17
I'm glad he lived another day, one tragedy per day is enough this week.  Glad to hear both falcons and ravens are safe tonight.

thanks for your report Bev, we appreciate all you do for them and certainly understand your conflict.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 18:23
The male raven seemed stunned at first. but after he regained himself , I think he is O.K. I thought one of his talons looked injured when he walked, but maybe not.

this is a real mess!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 18:32
this is a real mess!!!!!
You said it exactly right Bev!!  :-\ - No matter what happens, something bad is going to happen to somebody!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 18:39
Well we may not know for a few days. Did you see it Eli.
We have a snow advisory out for 10-20 cm of snow by tomorrows end.  :( :(

that is not good. I puts things on hold.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 13, 2009, 19:11
My heart was in my throat when I read your post Bev...
I would of been going crazy and yelling NO NO NO...don't hurt each other...just vocal arguments you guys!

I really didn't want it to come to this...but it looks like the falcons won't give up this nestbox.  I feel very sorry for George as he is the guardian and Weezie won't leave the box as she has eggs to protect.  I get choked up just thinking about. 

I wrote in another thread that sometimes it's hard to be human and humane at the same time.  You wish you could just place the Ravens somewhere else safely in a cozy nest with  her eggs and all would be prefect   ::)

Yeah right....in a perfect world right?  :-[

I just hope George has a little chat with Weezie and says to her...honey, we need to move somewhere safe so we can all get along!  (uh, is that too much ask  :P)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 20:09
He has been pretty cozy in a nice big spruce. maybe I need to give them a nudge. I thought for sure on SAturday, he could start nestbuilding there. It is a perfect spot.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 13, 2009, 20:12
Oh see... in a spruce tree sounds so soothing!  Can you put a cherry on top of it to entice the ravens to go there or learn to speak raven to encourage them to build there?  :D

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 13, 2009, 20:36
I'm guessing he attacked by himself because it was their first serious run at it, and the man took over.  It has been so quiet all weekend, it's not like there was a lot of agitation going on.  Weezie managed to lay two eggs.  Just a couple of fly-bys (warnings).  If the raven had stayed up for a fight, she may have joined in.  Or maybe not -- I believe TPC says it's rare that a couple attacks.  More often male v male or fm v fm.  Altho it does seem to be happening more in the concrete jungles that we watch, as opposed to 'in the wild'. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 13, 2009, 21:04
I am not sure that relates to them trying to oust another species of birds. True  that   male peregrine generally does not attack a female peregrine, but I am not sure when  it is peregrines against RAvens.

I will ask my biologists. the peregrines seem to be just acquainting themselves with the territory again.
but the ravens are nervous.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 13, 2009, 21:05
Is it just me, or is this raven looking a little frazzled?  It looks like her feathers are sticking out, not wings smoothed down. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 13, 2009, 22:05
I went down to the nest site just before it got dark, as I could not stand not knowing what happened to the male raven.  I don't know if not knowing is worse than knowing.  I guess I have become quite attached to the ravens, maybe because they are such underdogs in this crisis; the male especially is trying his best to protect his mate, against impossible odds, and ravens are not fighters. 

I saw no sign of the falcons when I arrived, but after about 5 minutes, I saw the male raven; he moved from one area to another at the top of the Clinical Sciences Building, and his wing looked to be injured; it was not sitting right.  He seemed able to fly, at least for a short distance; I don't know if he could manage to go farther or not.  He kept his head up, watching the skies the whole time I was there, and then eventually he laid down and rested his head on the corner of the edge of the building, and he was getting soaked in the rain.  I don't know if ravens normally stay out in the rain.  I hope he was just resting, and not dying. 

I keep telling myself there is nothing I can do, and this is nature, and I think we all know that, but it is very hard, especially after watching this brave male all week, knowing he does not have the predator skills of our friends the falcons.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 13, 2009, 22:23
Very well said, Eli.   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 13, 2009, 22:36
 :'( How Sad... :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 13, 2009, 23:06
I'm guessing he attacked by himself because it was their first serious run at it, and the man took over.  It has been so quiet all weekend, it's not like there was a lot of agitation going on.  Weezie managed to lay two eggs.  Just a couple of fly-bys (warnings).  If the raven had stayed up for a fight, she may have joined in.  Or maybe not -- I believe TPC says it's rare that a couple attacks.  More often male v male or fm v fm.  Altho it does seem to be happening more in the concrete jungles that we watch, as opposed to 'in the wild'. 

Its not usual for fights between peregrines to be hands-on between genders - females tend to fight other females, males tend to fight other males.  Not that the other gender doesn't encourage or follow along.  Dennis & I watched Ivy & the West Winnipeg female hare after an interloping female - the females fought but Ivy wasn't "uninvolved" and actually, she came back around before he did so he may have been making sure that the interloper female completely exited the area ...

As for interspecies conflicts - its almost impossible to tell territorial conflicts from predation/predator defence between species.  Apparently peregrine-raven interactions are not consistently one thing or the other.  Raven nests have been used by peregrines (they both nest on cliffs), peregrines have allowed ravens to nest relatively close and peregrines have been "vigourous" in their opposition to ravens in their territories. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 13, 2009, 23:22
I saw no sign of the falcons when I arrived, but after about 5 minutes, I saw the male raven; he moved from one area to another at the top of the Clinical Sciences Building, and his wing looked to be injured; it was not sitting right.  He seemed able to fly, at least for a short distance; I don't know if he could manage to go farther or not.  He kept his head up, watching the skies the whole time I was there, and then eventually he laid down and rested his head on the corner of the edge of the building, and he was getting soaked in the rain.  I don't know if ravens normally stay out in the rain.  I hope he was just resting, and not dying. 

If he can fly short distances then the wing isn't broken though there might be a soft tissue injury (i.e., pulled muscle) - not inconsequential for a bird considering the demands of flying.  It may be that there isn't anything wrong either (keep in mind I of course haven't seen him) but if he is "on guard" he may be keeping his wings hitched ready to fly or its possible feathers may be bent which will prevent him from laying his wing down.  As for his posture when last you saw him, I don't know specifics of common ravens very well, but it might have been that he was trying to keep a low profile (literally) but not far from the nestbox - was his spot within eyesight of the nestbox?  The peregrines would have a hard time getting at him if he stays close to a wall or lying low to a roof.  As for dying (and I could be very wrong about this) my first reaction is that if he was that bad, he might return to the nestbox to be as close to his mate as possible - if he knew he couldn't be effective in the air, my thought is that he would park himself where he could defend her/them.  But that is just my initial thought, I don't know if this is consistent with defensive responses by ravens ... since they are frequently found in groups (call an "unkindness") they would have group defensive/offensive behaviour and individual defensive behaviour.

Not much help I'm afraid ...
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: maggieblue April 14, 2009, 07:38
So Bev wasn't kidding about the 10 to 20cm of snow  :o  High winds too, so I hope that the falcons and ravens all lie low for the day.
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: ballywing April 14, 2009, 09:23
No Way!! ....Grrrrr. That stuff had better NOT be headed to Winnipeg! :(
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: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 10:02
As for his posture when last you saw him, I don't know specifics of common ravens very well, but it might have been that he was trying to keep a low profile (literally) but not far from the nestbox - was his spot within eyesight of the nestbox?

TPC, thanks for the information you provided, which was helpful.  The male raven could not see the nestbox from where he was laying down last night, and I was concerned about this, as he always stays within sight of the nestbox. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 14, 2009, 10:38
Eli, do not worry  yet about the male raven.

I guess I did not make myself clear enough. He was flying fine later yesterday. He appeared stunned after the hit but after awhile, as I said yesterday I followed him while he flew around behind the Parkade and flew into a spruce tree and flew to the top of Corbett hall. When he made his way back to the nest site, he was flying between the Extension building and heart building and clinical science building. He was keeping a watch for the falcons. I said it looked like he had injured his talon , but his wings were fine.
What you are describing is what he does.
He keeps low so the falcons cannot get him.
He would not want to be right a t the box. He would want to be low so he could be prepared for an attack.If he was where I think he was , he has a clear view of the falcons night spot. He would want to be ready for morning.   
I feel for the ravens also but I am afraid I do want the peregrines to have their site.
 But I want no harm to come to the ravens. and that is why I felt they should keep cleaning out the nest box. 
While I was there yesterday the male raven always kept low on the building roofs  and only popped up to have a look to the north where he and I saw the falcons fly to, in the afternoon.
do not worry about him in the rain. Their feathers protect them. Look at all the eagles that are on exposed nests in the snow and rain and wind.
I am sure the ravens are frazzled, but they are being very cautious

Now I cannot say if anything happened after I left yesterday. It could have. this is jsut from when I was there.

thanks for going down Eli.  My daughter came home so we could not go down again.

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: bev. April 14, 2009, 10:56
I meant to say that the snow is wet and is not staying on the ground too much and the winds were strong last night abut we just have a few flurries here in st.Albert right now. so far not as bad as predicted. I will keep fingers crossed. Still miserable though.
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: bcbird April 14, 2009, 15:56
There are three eggs in the nest. 
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: bcbird April 14, 2009, 16:02
Back from the Easter weekend away on Vancouver Island.  I was staggered at the amount of reading to do.  Not only this site, either!

Watching this Edmonton site is really nerve wracking, and while reading through the pages I was continually biting my nails.  So now there are eggs, frazzled parents, and our fabulous falcon pair of last year.  Whew!

Great to have those reports Bev and Eli.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 14, 2009, 16:06
Wow...I wonder how long she will keep laying them, they said they do 4-7 eggs.  I did see George earlier today and he looked good and was protective of Weezie as always.
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: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 16:07
BCbird, you must have a much better version of Internet Explorer to see the eggs - all I get today when I look is a blurred screen of the nest, and I can barely see the female.  If you have seen any sign of the male raven, let me know; I have not seen him show up at all today.
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: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 16:11
I just saw the message from Carly.  So he is alive and well, so far.  I may be the person most anxious to see that he is o.k., and yet I am probably the only one who can't see a thing on the website today. 

Thanks for the info. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 14, 2009, 16:14
Yes I watched for him all morning Eli after reading your report, I was worried too.  He came in to get her this morning and they flew off briefly and then he escorted her back so that was a relief to see.   It was before lunch time - so before 12:00 EST time. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 14, 2009, 16:15
Eli, I have a very blurry image on cam 2 also, but during one of the male's visits (he has briefly poked his head into the box twice over the past hour) the female was completely off the nest and the beautiful blue green of three distinct eggs was very easy to see.  Now all I see is the blurred dark form of the female on the nest.  Every now and then her beak or an eye seem to be in focus.  
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: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 16:18
Carly, thanks again for the update.  I wish I could see something, but at least he is not injured, after all.  What a relief!
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: maggieblue April 14, 2009, 16:19
Glad to hear that George was there (even though I am pulling for the falcons to regain their territory).   I watched for most of the morning and was concerned that he hadn't made an appearance.  How crazy is all this?  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 16:23
thanks, BCbird.  I think our male raven is made of pretty sturdy stock to have withstood an attack my the falcon and carry on his duties.  I still have hope of some resolution to this worrisome situation.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 14, 2009, 18:28
Just saw George out on the perch, looking spiffy  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 14, 2009, 18:32
I am not able to go down to the site today , but will go tomorrow.

Eli, no one wants to see any harm come to the ravens.  they are after all a part of nature.

 It is just that peregrines are a protected species and I would rather have them nest here , whee they have been for the last 30 years.

I have been watching for them when I go down there. I certainly did not cheer yesterday, when the attack happened. I cringed and had tears in my eyes becasue I do not want to see anyone hurt.

Unless  the falcons decide to come in the box you will see nothing on the cam. It is from the fround that things are happening.
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: bev. April 14, 2009, 18:51
I sent you a pm Eli.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 14, 2009, 21:03
Hi,  Bev, I didn't know what a "pm" was, but I think I figured it out, and I think I sent you a reply but nothing showed up in my outbox, so let me know if you didn't get it.

I cannot see anything in the nestbox tonight - I wish I knew what was happening.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 14, 2009, 21:14
there is still a raven in nestbox. I got your pm and I sent you one back.

will be there tomorrow sometime.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 14, 2009, 21:48
The female in the nest box is very close to the entrance, her head is visible in cam 3 view, with her beak over the ledge in the cam2 view.  I guess she is being watchful.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 15, 2009, 08:58
...sigh...sure with something could be done to 'moistureproof' camera 2!!!  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 15, 2009, 16:33
Yeah, cam 2 is fairly useless today. 
Mom is restless.  Turning from side to side, sometimes almost standing, maybe another egg coming?
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: Elaine L April 15, 2009, 16:44
I was talking to a lady from the Wildlife Rehab. Centre on Sunday about my concerns regarding the ravens and the falcons; she sees the falcon biologists fairly often, and she got back to me this afternoon:

her e-mail: 
they suspect these ravens are young of last year and that their nest likely won't survive anyways, given their inexperience and the fact that they are nesting pretty late for ravens. So thats why there is not really a drive to put up an alternate platform. I was also told that the peregrines are likely going to make things really unpleasant for the ravens and the situation will likely escalate as the peregrines get more serious about nesting.

I got back to her and asked her if the biologists would be willing to remove the nest again as I would rather see the loss of the eggs than see the ravens die, but she has not got back to me yet.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 15, 2009, 17:19
Hi Eli.

the biologists shared that with me  a bit  ago but I was to keep it to myself.

I am always obligated to follow their instructions as I do not want to loose their trust.

but that is good the rehab center shared that with you.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 15, 2009, 18:07
Well, I see there's still nothing visible on Cam 2, and obviously a raven in the nest on Cam 3.  hmmm.... 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 15, 2009, 18:29

I got back to her and asked her if the biologists would be willing to remove the nest again as I would rather see the loss of the eggs than see the ravens die, but she has not got back to me yet.

That's an excellent suggestion Eli!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 15, 2009, 19:04
Question..
If this happened, the removal of the eggs, would or could they be taken in for someone to incubate them or would/does that not happen?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 15, 2009, 19:48
Could they move them to a nice 'other' location and would the ravens find them and just take up residence there with the eggs - or is that just completely ridiculous? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 15, 2009, 20:11
Could they move them to a nice 'other' location and would the ravens find them and just take up residence there with the eggs - or is that just completely ridiculous? ???

Not ridiculous at all, maybe problematic though.  When they replaced the falcon nestbox in Maine, the article said they placed the eggs in an insulated container to keep them warm.  I suppose you'd have to move the eggs with them watching so they could see where you were moving them to..so you'd need a ready made nest.  Not sure how ravens would react to that type of thing...or if they'd even allow you to go near the nest.

As Ravens are not threatened or endangered I really don't know if anyone would do it, if it's allowed by law or if they would even bother with saving and incubating the eggs.

Lots of good questions for TPC though.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 15, 2009, 21:34
Cam 2 is starting to dry.  And Weezie is looking settled in. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 16, 2009, 09:00
The vet/rehabber made some good points.  Young ravens, nesting late, inexperienced, could be that their eggs are non-viable.  In that case, a quick efficient eviction by the peregrines might be easier for them (the ravens).  If the eggs are non-viable, they may not be experienced enough to know that yet and they may keep themselves in harms way trying to protect eggs that don't need protecting.  Actually, it works both ways, a quick efficient eviction would probably save the ravens from getting seriously hurt and physically stressed both of which would be healthier for the ravens.  And this happens folks, to all birds, they all lose nestseggs/chicks at some point in their lives.  As long as the adults are able to survive they can try again.  If they and their nest/eggs/chicks die, those genes are lost.

Question.. If this happened, the removal of the eggs, would or could they be taken in for someone to incubate them or would/does that not happen?

That's alot of time and effort and you have to know how to be able to provide for the chicks in such a way that they don't become imprinted on humans otherwise they can't be released back into the wild.  I'm not even sure that there are folks who know how to do this for ravens since they aren't a species at risk, there hasn't been a need I don't think.  So the question becomes if you have someone, what are the risks that the chicks would be better off?  Keep in mind that living as an imprinted bird or in captivity is not always an improvement over not living at all.  Quality of life is the question to then ask.

Could they move them to a nice 'other' location and would the ravens find them and just take up residence there with the eggs - or is that just completely ridiculous? ???

Usually doesn't work - for the ravens, the box is their nest and those are their eggs.  Anywhere else and they are someone else's eggs.  With chicks it might be different but I don't know enough about ravens to know what their tolerance for movement might be.  A nest a few feet away with chicks they know might (big stress on the might) but then again it might not.  Peregrines will adopt foster chicks in existing nests but that's their hardwiring, don't know about ravens.
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: maggieblue April 16, 2009, 09:54
Both Ravens still around as I just saw George make a quick visit to the nest and could see something in Weezie's beak.  Breakfast in bed?  :D
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: carly April 16, 2009, 11:12
Men at the Box!!!  Oh they removed the nest!!.  I hope George and Weezie are okay and I hope they don't come back...for their sakes, I would like to think that young couple has a good future.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: dodobird April 16, 2009, 11:14
They have cleared it out again. Let's hope for the best for all concerned.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 16, 2009, 11:15
Yes, I am sad over the loss of eggs but I would have been heartbroken if the falcons killed them.  Amazing how a few weeks ago, they were pests and then Loriann named them and they just grew on us all...hopefully this will save their lives!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 16, 2009, 11:28
Wow...Weezie immediately back in the box and sitting down...oh no sweetie... :'(.  George on the side and 3 men on the roof now..make that 4!!  Holy...it's a mob!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 11:30
OMG!!!! - What a shock to see the empty nest.....how sad..... :'( - but better in the long one for everyone's safety.  :-\ - Hope the falcons move in quick now and be done with all the 'Who owns this house' stuff.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 11:32
SIX men on the roof!! :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 16, 2009, 11:34
Yep and Weezie isn't budging  :-\  Obviously humans don't faze these two.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Loriann April 16, 2009, 11:37
sad.   :'(  poor george and weezie..  well if nothing else it gave the rest of you a wider appreciation of OTHER birds..

Personally I love my backyard Ravens, and all their tricks.. imitating the other birds.. laughing from the trees, scaring the crap out of the squirrells and their noisy patio parties.

I'm frustrated by this whole thing.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 11:39
Men are gone, poor Weezie shuffling around in the empty nest.  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 16, 2009, 12:20
Well if they are young birds and they didn't anticpate the eggs would hatch it's the best of all scenerios. Weezie is no doubt confused because she had eggs.  Let's hope they leave? The falcons move in and all is well with the world?
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: Loriann April 16, 2009, 12:32
I'm not sure I buy the 'eggs were 'probably not viable' thing.. sounds like someone placating me (us).  Guess we'll never know, and its still hard to watch without interjecting some of our human emotions.  Those potential chicks had just as much right to life as any other, and I feel bad that they have had that chance taken from them... and for George and Weezie, who have no idea what the heck just happened.  again.. frustrating for everyone involved.  I for one will not be checking back into this nest, not while the Ravens are still there..   Breaks my heart.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 16, 2009, 12:42
And on that note , I will say nothing,

I sent you a pm CArly.



: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 13:02
Yikes....well I think our human emotions are what separate us from these creatures we love to watch.  - This is such a learning experience for all of us, and the 'goings-on' in the lives of these birds - I'm quite sure - affects us humans much more, and for much longer than they affect the wildlife we're agonizing about. (Emotionally)
We're bound to have differing opinions on what should be done or not done. And thru the past couple of weeks, some opinions have changed, most of us are completely torn. There's no winner in this - if the ravens had been left alone, they may have all been killed, or a peregrine may have been killed or injured. I guess weighing the pros & cons, this may have been the best way to handle the situation, though it is very very sad for us to watch, as we've 'humanized' George & Weezie and take every event in their lives so  much to heart.  Hopefully all our beloved birds will now survive and move on and hopefully we can too .. ;D- til the next crisis of course.  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 16, 2009, 14:02
So now that we may potentially see Radisson back on cam in the near future, any bets as to whether or not she's learned house keeping 101 while she was away on sabatical?? 

The other day I was reading back into the archives for my site because I wanted to know how my pair came to the site.  Apparently my Angel was also not the tidiest person back in her first year, in fact the comments back then were similar to ours here last year..she was a very messy girl!!!  She used to jump right into the nestbox with her lunch and pluck away and basically was surrounded by feathers and bits of birds while she dozed with her chicks!!!

Obviously this must be a 'kicks in later' behaviour  :D

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 16, 2009, 14:02
George and Weezie will view it the same way they would if their nest were blow off a tower or cliff-face.  A little puzzlement and then deciding on the time of the year and how much energy they have left, they will do what is in their best interests - and in that I mean, their health and the health/welfare of their future chicks - this year or next.  It was the same with Trey & Princess last year - they knew best and refused our offer to foster two chicks at the Radisson.  

Who knows, George and Weezie may be able to use the time to find a new site (they will do something if they don't nest again) that will no come in conflict with other ravens, peregrines or anything else - keep in mind that at this point, everyone who is going to nest in the area is in the area on nests.  They will be able to replenish their personal stores and try again next year.  Might mean the difference between living and coming back next year.

Everyone likes to say "if people weren't involved" - well if people weren't involved, George & Weezie could both be killed trying to protect their eggs - so too could one or both of the peregrines, ravens are not small birds and anything can happen in territorial disputes regardless of species.  Without both of them, the eggs/chicks are (all or most) doomed because one parent can't do it all, you've seen that already.  The other side is that people are just as much a part of the ravens' environment than anyone/anything else.  So look at the humans as just a nasty windstorm that destroyed George & Weezie's nest, to them there really is no difference.  The difference really only makes a difference to us.  So whether you agree with the decision or not, its been made by us rather than the peregrines.  There is no way to say what is the right decision because we can't see the outcomes from all the possible scenarios.  This decision might be the best for all concerned - no injuries and no deaths to any of the birds.  Distressing to human viewers but all the scenarios would have distressing parts - the peregrines and ravens battle over the next couple of weeks, reducing all the birds' ability to survive/thrive; ravens continue to nest but non of the eggs hatch or some hatch perhaps because of the stress placed on Weezie; peregrines have to nest elsewhere, not as secure and more stressfull and potentially that will impact the number of eggs, their condition and the chicks' survival in the first couple of weeks; cam is moved to the peregrines (if it can technically be done in time) and we lose sight of what is happening to G&W except that everytime someth "black" is brought as a meal or when the parents suddenly bolt off the nest and there is sound and fury off-camera; George & Weezie have to continue to battle the peregrines as all their chicks continue to grow in order to keep them safe and fed; need I go on ... lots of human distress for y'all, a day/year in the life of peregrines and ravens in the wild.  

Hope for a quick resolution to this dispute, human involvement and all, because it doesn't look like George and Weezie are going to win the battle for this nestbox.  They will probably however win to fight (and nest) another day/month/year.
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: The Peregrine Chick April 16, 2009, 14:03
The other day I was reading back into the archives for my site because I wanted to know how my pair came to the site.  Apparently my Angel was also not the tidiest person back in her first year, in fact the comments back then were similar to ours here last year..she was a very messy girl!!!  She used to jump right into the nestbox with her lunch and pluck away and basically was surrounded by feathers and bits of birds while she dozed with her chicks!!!  Obviously this must be a 'kicks in later' behaviour  :D 

If not, I could lend Bev my "toy" ...  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 16, 2009, 14:26
For the last 3 days, I have been staying away from this camera as I have been so worried about the ravens.  I finally decided I had to see what was happening, and I almost had a heart attack when I saw your messages about the removal of the nestbox. 

I know I would be very distraught to see the ravens sitting in the nest, stunned and wondering what happened, so I am not going to the camera. 

I agree with all that it is a far better thing that the ravens lose their eggs than they lose their lives.  I hope they leave the nestbox permanently, now.  The falcons deserve their nest, but the ravens do not deserve to die.  I now fervently hope that, next year, they can pass on their genes to a new generation, especially the male, who was heroic and devoted beyond anything I have ever seen in the bird world.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 16, 2009, 15:15
There are now no signs of any birds on any of the 3 cams.  No humans either
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 15:24
Nope, Weezie was in the nest on & off for a couple of hours after the removal - maybe looking for her eggs... :-\ - but now I haven't seen hide nor hair of any ravens for quite a while. I really hope they have moved on finally.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 15:44
Crap - spoke too soon - Weezie is back.  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 16, 2009, 16:40
There she is and it looks like another egg has been produced!  I'm pretty sure I saw that blue green colour under her.  She's pretty restless right now too.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Moonstar April 16, 2009, 16:57
I'm not sure I buy the 'eggs were 'probably not viable' thing.. sounds like someone placating me (us).  Guess we'll never know, and its still hard to watch without interjecting some of our human emotions.  Those potential chicks had just as much right to life as any other, and I feel bad that they have had that chance taken from them... and for George and Weezie, who have no idea what the heck just happened.  again.. frustrating for everyone involved.  I for one will not be checking back into this nest, not while the Ravens are still there..   Breaks my heart.

I agree with you Lorriann.  I feel so bad.  I know it is nature and it could have been worse with the Ravens or the Peregrines being hurt or worse but I still feel so sad.  Further down I read that they think another egg was laid.  I hope not.  Poor birds.   :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: JL April 16, 2009, 17:18
And you think Radisson is messy?  Check out this nest; it's a complete featherbed!   ;D

http://www.cbc.ca/bc/features/eaglecam/
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 16, 2009, 17:21
Woah! :o :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 16, 2009, 17:22
Oh, no - not another egg! These poor birds.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 16, 2009, 17:29
I think I said that I wasn't too fond of Ravens a few days ago. Poor Wheezie, she looks so forlorn. My heart is softening up a little more every day.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 17:53
Oh no, there IS an egg in there!..........Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 16, 2009, 18:54
NO WAY!!!  Another egg?!  Even I'm feeling sorry about this now.  This may be stupid, but do we know for a fact the eggs weren't moved somewhere else, rather than destroyed? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bccs April 16, 2009, 19:01
It seems to me that, after the many removals, the ravens have earned the right to be there. We are all personalizing this senario and, to bring it to our level, if the ravens were human, we'd be calling the authorities to oust the interlopers ( falcons ).
Who got there first, who stayed and rebuilt many times, and who is still there in spite of the removal of their potential young?
I love the falcons but they have second claim to this nest site this year.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 19:56
But the falcons are not going to see it that way - and no matter who has earned the right to stay in our logical minds - if G&W keep sticking around, they're all in danger.  :-[
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 16, 2009, 20:10
This is just so tragic - every moment that the ravens stay there, they are at risk from attack from the falcons.  And our falcons are, by now, well-rested, well-fed, and probably ready to take over the nest, while the ravens are stressed, hungry, and tired.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 16, 2009, 21:06
And you think Radisson is messy?  Check out this nest; it's a complete featherbed!   ;D

http://www.cbc.ca/bc/features/eaglecam/

Trey would have a stroke if he saw that nest!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: JL April 16, 2009, 21:35
Trey would have a stroke if he saw that nest!
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LOL!  I saw mom earlier rearranging her nest to get comfortable.  And a big puff of feathers flew up!   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 16, 2009, 21:41
looking at web cam 1 ... there is weezie's beak sticking out on the ledge
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 16, 2009, 23:28
I love the falcons but they have second claim to this nest site this year.
Nope. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 16, 2009, 23:31
I love the falcons but they have second claim to this nest site this year.
Nope. 
LOL - a lady of few words - or I should say word!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 16, 2009, 23:41
nuff said.  Peregrines over ravens any day.   
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: allikat April 17, 2009, 09:13
I feel terrible about what's going on in this nestbox.  Poor George & Weezie and now another egg!  :(
After the removal of the second nest, I truly thought they would just move on, I guess I was hoping they would have a chat with each other and decide this was just too dangerous for them as well as their eggs/babies.
I know there have been several "difference of opinions" on what should go on at this site, but if George were to get badly injured or killed, which he seems to have avoided several times, Weezie would be on her own trying to defend her nest.  And I think we all know that she wouldn't be able to do that with two falcons against her.  I can honestly say, I don't think any one of us would want to witness that.
I know that it was hard and heartbreaking to open up the site, see an empty nest and Weezie walking back and forth wondering what happened...but to the Ravens, it was a failed nest attempt. 
My, and several others, heart would stop if we all of sudden heard that George was killed or one of the falcons got injured, OR BOTH!
I am sympathetic to both parties involved, but when we take human emotion out of it and think logically, the human invasion/intervention is merely trying to avoid two falcons and two ravens fight to the death.

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: ballywing April 17, 2009, 09:24
Yes - well said allikat. Everyone feels badly for G&W, but in the end, the upset that's happening right now in the nest is for their own good.  :-\
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: Elaine L April 17, 2009, 09:59
Now that I know that not knowing what is happening at the nest site is worse than knowing, I went down there last night.  The male raven had just finished escorting the female back to the nestbox when both falcons swooped down and attacked him, dive-bombing him on top of the building where he had taken refuge; if he had panicked, they would have got him.  I think he had flattened himself down pretty well, and he stuck like glue to the top of the building.  After numerous fly-overs and dives to get at him, the falcons took off, then he stuck his head up and started cawing at them, and they came back and gave it another go.  After that, he must have figured it was better to keep his opinions to himself, and he laid low.  After a few minutes, he popped up and checked out where the falcons were, saw that the coast was clear, and flew over to a crevice close to his lady-love, and that was the last I saw of him.  The falcons, meanwhile, positioned themselves on the top of near-by buildings where they could keep an eye on things, but by then it was getting dark, so I do not expect that they attacked again.
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: ballywing April 17, 2009, 10:04
Thanks for the update Eli - it kinda drives home the fact that attempting to get the ravens to evacuate is a good thing to do for their own safety - problem is, they're not being very cooperative about it!!.... If the falcons had shown up a week earlier, before egg laying began, G&W probably would have been long gone and safe by now.  :-\
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: carly April 17, 2009, 10:09
Thanks for the report Eli and great posts by everyone, obviously everyone cares deeply for all the species involved.  

Given that both Radisson and Dad are now attacking together, I expect they are getting quite anxious to start their own family.  That may explain why George was in the nestbox so long this morning standing guard - usually he just escorts weezie back and goes back to his post but he was there for a good hour looking up and down very early this morning.

I don't believe the biologists intended any harm to the ravens at all either, they are probably like the rest of us hoping to avoid a tragedy.  This nest site is not only a home for 2 falcons, it is also used as a refuge for rescued eyases from other nest sites all over the province so I can understand it's significance and their anxiety in seeing the falcons return home.  We are looking at it from an emotional point of view and they are being scientific..both sides do have one thing in common though and that is the survival of all birds involved  ;)
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: ballywing April 17, 2009, 11:55
Very well said Carly - lots of good points all around. Nobody is being uncaring here, including the 'nest wreckers' -  :-\ -just trying to make a bad situation turn out as well as possible.
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: Elaine L April 17, 2009, 13:03
The female raven has not been in the nest for the last half-hour.  Before, she was looking out and looked very agitated.  No sign of the male raven.  I suspect that an attack has taken place.  All I can do now is hope that neither the ravens or the falcons are injured, or worse, dead.  It is very worrisome not to know what has happened, and not to be able to find out right away.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 13:27
They were not in the box this morning for over an hour either Eli and I thought the same thing then but then they showed up together and that's when he stayed for an hour in the box with her. 


Oh.. Raven incoming!!  There we go, she's back in the box now.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 17, 2009, 16:42
The box is empty except for an egg!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 16:44
Saw both Weezie and George about a half hour ago.
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: The Peregrine Chick April 17, 2009, 18:15
To through another thought among the pigeons ... incubation for ravens is 20-25 days.  First egg was laid on April 12 - so had the original nest stayed in place the peregrines would be desperate to nest (nesting approx 3-4 weeks after returning) right about the time that the eggs were due to hatch.  So George & Weezie would be desperate to keep their chicks (hatched and/or pending) and the peregrines would be just as desperate to get in the box.  If the peregrines won, George and/or Weezie could have been badly injured/killed and their chicks dead/eggs discarded before hatching.  If the peregrines were injured or killed, a loss of a nest for this year and a breeding pair (with new genes from our project) lost to the Alberta population and the Canadian population. 

George & Weezie will make great parents based on their stubborness (perhaps not so good in terms of survival instinct but that's supposition at this point), but for the sake of all the birds involved, I really do wish they would take the hint.
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: eagle63_1999 April 17, 2009, 18:25
They are persistant, that's for sure.  But what will be will be.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 17, 2009, 18:37
Oh, and the Cornell Ornithology Lab has a great new look for their "All about Birds" website - check it out!!

The Common Raven (http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Common_Raven/id)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 18:43
They are persistant, that's for sure.  But what will be will be.
I just wish they would get the hint and find another nest as TPC wrote. 
No more air strikes on George  :( 
and Weezie can rest easy  :D
I want a happy ending for all 4 birds!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 17, 2009, 18:48
Ditto to the happy ending part - but to get it, G&W really need to leave the nest - if they don't (and it sure looks like they won't, especially with an egg in there) - I hate to think what'll happen.  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 17, 2009, 18:48
I am hoping that G&W get the hint and leave but nature will be what it will be is what I meant.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 17, 2009, 18:58
Ditto to the happy ending part - but to get it, G&W really need to leave the nest - if they don't (and it sure looks like they won't, especially with an egg in there) - I hate to think what'll happen.  :( 

And the more they lay (up to the point when she can't literally can't anymore this year) the less likely they are to hatch
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sami April 17, 2009, 20:37
Are the cams in Edmonton stuck? All I've seen over the last four hours (not that I've been looking the whole time, just intermittently) has been an empty box with one lone egg. Has Weezie left, or the picture hasn't changed  ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 20:41
They have been gone a bit now but have been in and out alot today..mostly out Sami.  Still refreshing for me though.

They don't seem to be incubating that lone egg at all so perhaps they're getting ready for a move? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 20:44
I've been watching for quite awhile, while sipping my red wine, and the cam is refreshing. The nest has been empty for a minimum of 2 hours!  So, I'm not sure what's happening down there.  Hope nothing bad! 
No more fighting!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 20:46
Correction...I logged on my laptop at 5:30 ish and the nest has been empty since.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 20:48
And someone is back...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 20:48
And now I wrote (spoke) to soon!
Raven is back in the nestbox 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 17, 2009, 20:49
Well, there's someone there now! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 17, 2009, 20:51
LOL. 
What are bev and Eli up to tonight? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 17, 2009, 20:54
... If the peregrines won, George and/or Weezie could have been badly injured/killed and their chicks dead/eggs discarded before hatching.  If the peregrines were injured or killed, a loss of a nest for this year and a breeding pair (with new genes from our project) lost to the Alberta population and the Canadian population. 
That's it in a nutshell.  This is all about Radisson and her mate for me.   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 20:59
Something must be going on outside as the ravens were not there for about 3 hours, then one appeared, and now is gone again!  I don't like this!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:00
Yes I think something is definitely up..
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: maggieblue April 17, 2009, 21:00
One of the ravens is finally back in the nestbox and looking very upset.  Don't know what is going on, but hopefully our eyes on the ground Bev and/or Eli will have a report.  Still hoping for the best possible outcome here, i.e. ravens moving on to another location and no major injuries to any birds.
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: bcbird April 17, 2009, 21:06
Mrs was back briefly at least twice that I saw over the past 4 and a bit hours.  I missed this last visit which sounds shorter than the others.  Both times she was restless and not settling on the egg and staying near the back wall.  She was vocalizing a fair bit too.  Has any one seen Mr Raven or both?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:08
Me too maggieblue...
This is the first time I've witnessed the ravens being out of the box for that long...and now going in and out and being on alert!  I don't like this one bit!!

Please oh please, no fighting !! 

I just hope Bev and/or Eli is there just in case.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:16
Liz, did you mean to post about the ravens here?  Radisson and Dad have only been back 1 week now ... so there is still time for them to nest.  Trey and Princess were back end of March.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 17, 2009, 21:25
I thought I put it in the right place...  Radisson Peregrines.  I don't see it here ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:31
Well it's kinda in the right place, it's with Radisson's mom and dad so no worries.  You had me panicked for a sec, I thought oh no there's raven's at P&T's building now  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:39
I wish I knew that Bev and/or Eli were down there...I'm getting nervous!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:40
I think Bev is down there tonight. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:42
Let's hope she's clapping really loud  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:45
Poor Bev and Eli..they have to witness the fighting and that must be nerve wracking to say the least.  hearing about it is one thing, seeing is quite another..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:49
Let's hope that isn't the case Carly...I really really hope that's NOT what's going on right now.  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 17, 2009, 21:51
I'm going to try and think positive and hope the ravens made a safe get-a-way and will realize the falcons aren't going anywhere so best to find a nicer place.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: JL April 17, 2009, 21:52
That egg looks awefully lonely.   :'(   I'm think something bad happened.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:53
Good plan...I'm really trying hard to think positive thoughts here.  Maybe, just maybe that will work.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 17, 2009, 21:55
Is it possible that the ravens could have literally flown the coop?  Maybe they finally fled to safety without thought to the remaining egg.  That would be a better outcome.  I like to think positive thoughts if possible.    
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 21:59
That's what Carly and I are trying to do as well.

This just seems really strange that the ravens have been in & out of the nest.  I just haven't seen this behavior as of yet.

I hope Bev or Eli are okay and I hope the Falcons and the Ravens are also okay.
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: bev. April 17, 2009, 22:51
Well, I have been staying away from posting,  beca use  of all the emotion here. But I guess I will break down and tell you what I saw tonight. I was going to pm someone else , but it is not fair for them to relay what I saw.

Peter and I went down at about 6:50pm and left at  8:25pm

Everything was still and quiet. No one in sight. We went behind where we saw the male raven and no cigar. I could see no one was in the nest box.

We saw a raven fly over the parkade from the south at about 7:15pm but no sound. It just headed west

Then at 7:30pm we saw first one falcon soaring high around the Newton apartments and then it went in behind and it looked like it stooped a pigeon.
Then we saw the other falcon come in. They looked so nice just soaring above, in concentric circles.

They kept getting closer and closer to the clinical science building. They both just soared over the top of the building and then over the top of the heart building. No sounds heard.

I think they were looking around.
They soared the area for a bit and then they soared over their buildings, the College plaza and Windsor place.

The male briefly landed on his tower and then he came down and sat on the left  corner of Windsor Place and the female landed and  perched on the left corner of the College plaza.

They just sat facing east. They were right across from us.

Peter watched them and I watched the nest site.

All of a sudden a black head perked up on the top of the clinical science building. I know it was the female. She is smaller. She then perched on the cam(it is between a tower and the roof. Well protected.)  She started to make a bit of noise. It was quiet for awhile and then the female raven went down from the cam to the white spiral on the platform nest to the box. Then she went into box, and I could see her sitting. She started to call and then went out on the perch and started to call(looking right at where the falcons were.)
Then she went back inside and then out and up onto the roof. She flew off the side and all of a sudden the female falcon was flying swiftly over to the nest building and chased the raven.
Thefemale falcon , came back and soared around a bit and then  her and the male soared  around theri buildings again  and the female perched where the male  had been  and the male flew off and turned in for the night.

I looked over and saw the female raven come back. She did not go back to the box and then we saw her no more.  She either left or is lying down by the cam on the roof.

The female  falcon finally turned in and we looked back and no one was in sight at the nest building.

So it was very quiet and I believe there is only one raven(the female). That is all  we saw and usually if she calls the male is there. We usually see him looking out on top of the buildings.

We looked and saw the female falcon tucked in for the night in her usual place, so I would think it is RAdisson.

We may go tomorrow late in the morning. I was not going to go today but I was looking at the cam off and on and felt I should go and look around.





: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: eagle63_1999 April 17, 2009, 22:57
It is a sad state when one is lost in a fight and I was afraid this would happen. They of course went after the male as is it bigger and protective.  Hopefully the female raven has decided that now is the time to disappear from the nestbox once and for all. We had all hoped for a better outcome. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: sami April 17, 2009, 22:57
Now I really don't have a good feeling about this. I just can't believe the male raven would disappear on his own. This doesn't sound at all good, but thank you, Bev, for having gone and checked. for us.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 23:15
Oh..I'm so upset right now I can barely compose myself.

I really didn't want this to happen, not at all!

I know we all shouldn't jump to any conclusions here but from what everyone else was writing/explaining about George coming in to escort Weezie or when she called, he would come...I just can't seem to hold my tears in at the moment.
George and Weezie....I'm so sorry it came to this. 
I hope with tomorrow's sunrise, will bring new light to this event.  Perhaps with hope, George is alright and will escort Weezie out one last time.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 17, 2009, 23:23
Thank you Bev for your post and thank you for going down there and checking...I'm sure it was very upsetting!

Again...thank you.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 00:14
Now, I did not say anything happened to the male raven. I just did not see him. He could have been out scouting new  real estate (sp)
We do not know if he was hurt.
I saw no signs.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 18, 2009, 00:44
Bev, thank you for your report.  It must have been difficult to go watch when knowing what might be seen.  I know you didn't see an injured male, but the details you did see and that we could see on the cam seem to point to an unhappy conclusion to the raven's nesting attempt.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 18, 2009, 01:14
Thanks for telling your story Bev! - hopefully somehow we'll find out what happened with George, til we hear otherwise, we can still hope he's ok. Poor Weezie. Poor everybody.  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 06:39
Thank you Bev, I know this is difficult for you as well.  I think we all had a feeling when we saw only 1 raven for the last hours of the evening and poor Weezie calling and calling.  I'm up now and will watch the box for awhile and see what I can see,  If the ravens are gone then I would expect to see a falcon or two coming to reclaim the nest today or tomorrow. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 07:06
8:06 am and I assume it's Weezie..just flew into the nest box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 07:14
George is back!!  Two ravens in the box!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 08:05
I guess they decided to give it another go. She's sitting on the egg(s?) again.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 08:20
That didn't last for long. She's already gone and there is still only 1 egg. Quite a change in her behavior since the 2nd nest removal/increasing falcon pressure.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 08:37
She's been in and out constantly for the past 1.5 hours..and here is george again.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 18, 2009, 12:12
I went down there this morning as soon as I could, and just got back (11:07 MST).  I saw the falcons after about 5 minutes, coasting on the wind, and playing aerial tag, so all was well with them.  I waited and waited, and finally saw the ravens; I was not at a very good angle, but I think the female went into the nestbox and, then I saw the male, who flew over and perched near the nestbox but on top of a ledge; his eyes were glued to the skies for a while, then he flew onto the roof, where I could not see him anymore, so I don't know if he stayed there or not. 

They have only one lonely egg in the box, and yet they still try - I guess it is the biological imperative; either that, or they are very stubborn birds. 

I will try to get down there again later today - I have a box and a towel, just in case.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 12:23
Good Eli,

I will look up the number of the rehab also, just in case . Or do you have it.

Peter and I plan on going down also
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 18, 2009, 12:25
 :-\ - Now that we know George & Weezie are both ok, I wish they'd just leave before they're NOT ok!!!!  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 18, 2009, 13:04
I was so nervous to read the post today with fears that something may have happened.

I'm very happy to hear that both ravens are still around and with us...just wish they would realize this a bad situation for the both of them and fly away in peace.

I was hoping my last post of George coming to escort Weezie out for one last time would come true  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 13:05
Isent you a pm Eli . I am out now .
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 18, 2009, 14:42
.....thumb twiddle.......Wish Bev or Eli had a laptop so we could maybe get a play by play......fingers crossed for no bad news.  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 18, 2009, 14:55
When was the last time anyone saw anything besides the egg, on-camera? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 14:57
I know what you mean. There must be something going on. I haven't seen anyone in the nest for a while. Tap tap tap tap (fingers on desk)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 15:00
Last I saw her was 8AM Winnipeg time but I've only been watching on and off all day.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 15:10
They've been away for hours I think. I've been spring cleaning today but I keep peeking.  They might be out enjoying the spring day, scavenging somewhere or perhaps George has some new apartments lined up for Weezie to look over  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 18, 2009, 15:30
I like that Carly. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 18, 2009, 15:37
Yup I vote for the "new apartments" scenario too!!!  :D Cause anything else is bound to end in tears.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 18, 2009, 15:54
I already shed tears last night when I read what Bev wrote...thinking the worst had happened to George.
Thankfully, he showed up this morning.
I have also been "spring cleaning" and have the Alberta cam up and I haven't seen them all day so I want to think positive thoughts and agree with Carly that they are out looking for a new penthouse suite.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 18, 2009, 16:39
Two hours later... still nothing.  I guess she liked it so much they moved right in!  I hope it was already furnished to her liking.  Maybe that's what George has been doing the last day or two -- building a perfect nest in the new pad.   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 17:04
I hope she has a couple of eggs on board to complete their new home.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 18, 2009, 17:17
If they haven't come back we can hope they've finally 'Left the Building'  as long as they're both healthy they can start over in peace somewhere else. Weezie might not be done laying eggs yet so there's still hope for a family for them.  :)  Hopefully Bev will have some news soon. ..........twiddle............yawn...... .tap tap...... ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 18:22
before I post anything, I would like to know if anyone has them since 2-4:30pm Alberta time???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 18:26
No I haven't Bev.  They been gone for hours on end.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 18, 2009, 18:27
Not a thing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 18, 2009, 18:38
I haven't seen anything...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 18:43
WE were there for over 2 hours this afternoon. No sign of Ravens at the nest site or falcons.

We did not expect to see the falcons. You have to go in the morning or late at night, now that the male is back.

I sure hope we do not see the ravens on screen again.
This is why.

I  think if they use  their heads, they have been given a buy here.

We were leaving and had driven off to go to the bird store About 4:20pm Edmonton time) and as we were on the road, we saw 2 ravens in a field behind the Corbett hall.
Peter was kind enough to go down the road and park on a side street so I could go and take a gander.

I know it was them. the female hands down. I do not know if you noticed but she had a feather sticking out at some angles. And I have been watching her like you have and it was her.

It was too much of a coincidence for it not to be them.  They fed in the field(you will see the field if you go down ELI)

 They then mated. Yup, right in front of me. The female flew up onto the back part of Corbett hall and the male continued to feed. (Eli this is the part that faces the parking lot behind Corbett hall). The male soon flew up to the to the right of her and they went down on the roof, and then the male flew off , quite low, and then the female flew off. I could not run quick enough to see whee, but I am hoping it was not the clinical science building.( I will smack them if they do). I could not see them high in the sky in that area.
I went around the corner and there is a nest in a tree right beside Corbett hall but if she was in there , I could not see and he would be down on the roof.

But I really think they went off west.

Peter and I thought when we were down on the ground this afternoon that we saw 2 ravens fly in that direction. If it was them ,it would make sense becasue they would have come from the area of the field.
I ran back to the parkade and up on the roof and I could not see them in the box or anywhere around, so my fingers are crossed.
I got my exercise today.

So I am here for the falcons, but today I thought I would look  for all of you.

So I am hoping they have left and that the falcons can get on with it.
I will be very disappointed if they come back.

tomorrow I will go in the evening.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 18:47
Just a note here. I am confused because my time here is the same time as I posted on the site. I thought Manitoba was ahead of Alberta???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 18, 2009, 18:47
Thanks for the update, bev.  It sounds like you should soak in a hot bath and get to bed early!  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 18, 2009, 18:48
It is.  The clock is off again, because it's 18:48 here, not 17:48. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 18:48
Thanks Bev, let's hope that is what they've done - if so this could be good news.  Glad they are both alive and together...I will keep watch while my movie is on until dark to see if they come back but this morning they were not in the box in the morning first thing.  They came later and together.  I will also check first thing in the morning to see if they come by.  Let's hope they move to the nest in the tree.. ;)  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 18, 2009, 19:07
Well I feel better...my hope was for them to be around the nestbox this morning and have George escort Weezie out for one last time.  Perhaps that has happened  ;D

Thanks Bev for your hard work and dedication...pat on the back to your husband as well for being so understanding!  Tonight..you should have a relaxing evening, have a wonderful long bath, dinner, glass (or two) of wine and get a great night's sleep.

I hope this drama is over and everything will be peaceful in the Edmonton skies for our famous foursome  :D


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 19:10
I will have the long bath and Peter will have the 2 glasses of wine ;D ;D
dinner is on.

and fingers are crossed


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 20:37
9:36 pm EST and incoming raven  :-\ and right back out.  Seems to just be checking on the egg, literally lasted 1 refresh and he was out again. 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 20:40
I am just pissed off now. sorry guys. But  I cannot worry about them anymore

The falcons are not ready yet.They have only been back a week. you know how long it took princess and Trey.

I am here for the falcons and so......
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 20:43
I would say the falcons just came back to their perches.   And  that is why the  female came in. She appeared to be vocal.

I was hoping that they would move n, but ...

So as I said I cannot worry anymore.  I jsut hope a  falcon does not get hurt in the process,

If I sound harsh, it is becasue I am frustrated.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 18, 2009, 20:43
Thanks for the update, Bev. (I sent you a pm, as well).  I am delighted and relieved if the ravens have indeed moved to a new site; and not only that, but obviously were not too stressed to mate again!  The main thing is that they were alive and well when you saw them earlier, and my only regret is that if they have indeed moved on, we have no way to know where, and there is really no way for us to find out.  Although, I think I would recognize Big George if I saw him again!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 20:44
They dont' seem to be around much at all the last 2 days, I think it's just the egg ...don't expect a bird can move an egg.  I expect if the falcons came in and removed the egg, that would be the end of it?  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 18, 2009, 20:52
Someone on another site said that if the egg was removed  she would lay another.

Well I will be there to watch for my falcons tomorrow.  I know everyone is glad the 2 ravens are O.K but they are pushing their luck now and I hope the falcons do not move on. There does not seem to be an indication of that  so far.

 Excuse my language  in an above post. I went back to change it and cannot. Well it is not a really bad word but one I would rather not use here. :-[ :-[

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 18, 2009, 21:00
No need to apologize Bev, we understand your frustration.  It's like standoff at the OK coral. :-\

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 18, 2009, 21:10
I can't believe these ravens...they are stubborn to say the least!

They haven't been there all day and then they show up at the end of the evening?  I'm not sure what that's all about but as we know, they are really pushing their luck.

No need to apologize for anything Bev...it is very frustrating!  We're all hoping for something positive and then WHAM, this happens.  There are no words!

I guess tomorrow will be another day of bird drama. 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 18, 2009, 21:24
Don't apologize Bev. Your frustration is understandable. You have a lot of passion and it just seems to come out. (Better than having it burn a hole in you stomach). It's hard enough from here to not get upset about what's been happening. I can't imagine how hard it is for you to actually be there watching. Nature has a way of sorting things out. This has been a bit unnatural but the situation seems to be heading towards the original intent of the Peregrines nesting in the box. If the Ravens are still getting it on, they will probably find a new nest site where their instinct tells them it's safe.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 19, 2009, 01:33
Even though they made an appearance at the nest later today, it still looks hopeful that they're in the process of moving on... The fact that nobody saw them in the nest all day long, and Bev saw them in other areas 'fooling around'  :P  near another nest is hopeful - it's a huge change in their routine from anything we've seen so far - and the first time that they've stayed away from the nest for so long - the quick appearance may have been a final 'goodbye' to their poor egg.  :-\
Don't apologize for anything Bev - your focus is aimed at the Peregrines, and that's why we're all here in the first place. Doesn't stop us from caring about other creatures that come along - but everything possible has been done to help the Ravens evacuate the nest peacefully. Your frustration at their persistance is understandable.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 19, 2009, 06:27
7:25 EST and no sign of the ravens yet this morning-I've been watching since 6:30   
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 19, 2009, 12:05
GOOD!! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 19, 2009, 17:54
Well......hmm......No news today???.......At this point, maybe no news is good news......Hope this week will bring a new beginning with G&W moving on to a better home and our Peregrines moving into their assigned apartment.  8) - Fingers crossed!!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 19, 2009, 18:00
Haven't see them at all today, not even in the early morning.  I think it was just the egg she was coming back for, she would just gaze at it sadly... I know, I know, she's a bird and probably thinks of it as a failed nest but watching her I got the feeling that she  was reluctant to leave it.

I wonder if the falcons will go to the nest at all, or would they be reluctant and not consider it safe with all the confrontations they've had with the ravens TPC?  I know I've read they take over abandoned nests of ravens in the wild but  the ravens were here already.  I'm just surprised they've not even landed there other than the first day Radisson came back before she knew about George and Weezie.  Or is that a strategic 'not put myself in a spot where they could attack me' move.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 19, 2009, 18:10
The peregrines will consider it the spoils of war and will happily defend it to all comers.  The fact that something else was there before them won't make any difference to them.  If they are going to nest there, they are going to nest there, ravens (past, present or future) or no.

They haven't been back for long, egg-laying usually starts about 2 weeks after copulation begins, and that doesn't usually start as soon as they return, so best to start counting about 3 weeks after return date for first egg.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 19, 2009, 18:12
Just a thought - Bev/Eli - when was the first confirmed sighting of the first bird and then then the second bird in Edmonton?  What about first time copulation was observed?  I'm thinking I would like to start posting dates on our calendar to make it easier to track timing of laying, hatching, banding, fledging etc.

If you have the dates, post them here ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 19, 2009, 18:14
What is likely to happen to the left behind egg?
Would the Peregrines ignore it or destroy it?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 19, 2009, 18:16

While watching, I met a fellow who lives on the top floor of Windsor Park, and he said that two falcons arrived here, one yesterday and one today;  

From Eli's post on April 11th, so one arrived on the 10th and one on the 11th.  And the 11th was the day Radisson was photographed at the nestbox.  Well we think it was her just due to size and she is a beauty  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 19, 2009, 18:33
Yes, RAdisson arrived last Friday evening and  the male arrived Saturday , I think sometime between 5-6:30pm So April 10 and 11th

I have not seen copulation yet. But that does not mean there has not been any.  right now they seem content to just enjoy the skies.

They have returned almost a week and half later than last year so.....

I will be going down around 6:30pm tonight . That is really the best time to go right now.  We at least see them coming home.   

I am hoping to see no ravens. ::) ::) ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 19, 2009, 18:43
What is likely to happen to the left behind egg?
Would the Peregrines ignore it or destroy it? 

Probably pitch it out even though Radisson is a lousy housekeeper.  They may just pitch out the front door or as is usual with peregrines, take it elsewhere and drop it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 19, 2009, 18:44
I would be surprised if this was not RAdisson becasue she is sleeping exactly where she slept last year.
and the male is on the same building as he always has, soooo
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 19, 2009, 18:44
Do we know for sure it is Radisson - I mean has anyone read her band number to confirm?
And the male - do we have an ID or a name yet?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 19, 2009, 23:16
Hi Tracy,
No one has red the band numbers yet??/ As far as I know.  I am just going by what I saw last year and where they are hanging out.
I do not have a scope and since they have not been at nest box really yet,  I have not seen the bands.
because of the weirdness so far, they have not been close enough to read bands either. 

I went down tonight and got there later than I wanted.  I got there about 6:45pm

There was a raven on a light standard on the road that leads into the area(around the field where I saw them) I could not get a good look, as I think the cars behind us would have killed us if we had stopped. Very busy street.

When I got to the top of the parkade, I saw nothing at the nest box. I hope you saw nothing also.

After a few minutes I did see a raven soaring up high  just to the east of the heart building. It just soared, made a bit of noise and then just flew east and ended up on an aerial way down east. I could see because of my binoculars. ( I was holding my breath)

Peter was supposed to watch it while I looked around, but the old boy missed it fly off because his nose was in his Suduko  book ::) ::) ::)
I am not really watching them but I wanted to make sure they were not at the nest box.

I did not see them there and  we left  at 9:15 pm

The falcons did not come in together  tonight. We might have missed it earlier on.  Things change as mating begins. I am assuming they are ready to start.

 It was about 8:20pm when I saw a  falcon circling high above.  Then I am sure I saw another one way above. Unfortunately I did not have Peters eyes as he was checking to see if any were tucked in(when we did not see any) And he did not understand what I was saying as I was shouting to him from the parkade, and pointing up.
 Other people probably understood but Peter did not hear it all. ;) ;)   (So you people in Winnipeg, do not be afraid and go out and shout nest on the west.)
They already think I am nuts here ;D ;D

Any how I watched a falcon circle  high above the clinical science and I thought, as it went west, Here we go. But nothing. It slowly started coming back toward my area and I started watching the other one that was way up there and going more southeast.

All of a sudden I heard chupping and I looked up and there was a falocn on the corner of the Campus tower. My heart stopped. I thought , Oh no, 3 falcons.
The one on the corner belonged there and I thought mom at first. I thought it had food, but I was distracted by the thought of 2 more falcons.  The other falcons, I think , soared out of sight.

The one on the corner of the building chupped some more and then flew of and soared around the building a few times and then flew off north.
Now I am really confused.

I can tell falcons from below and I am sure I saw 2 soaring above, but they may have just been passing through. So Peter and I checked out where they tuck in  and no one.

I did not want to leave yet so we went to Hortons for a bite and when we came back we checked again and the female   had just got in and was tucked in for the night. We did not see the male, but last year we rarely saw him tucked in until the end of the season.
On discussing it with Peter , that may have been the male on the Campus tower because it did look smaller.

So a confusing night. I am praying tonight and have to think how to talk Peter into going down tomorrow night. I know he does not want to but I want peace of mind.

so are you as confused as me???? ;D ;D



: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 20, 2009, 06:25
I woke up early and started thinking. Never wake up thinking. ;)


We assumed it was the female tucking in but did not see her land . He?she was just getting organized on the ledge.

Last year if we saw both tucked in on the same side, the male tucked up high and the female was lower down.

The other night, she was tucked in on ledge 6(do not always go to same ledge)

Tonight the falcon was on the 2nd from to ledge. 

So did we just see the male last night, or did we just see the female , or did we see both??????

I did leave unsettled last night(probably why I am up so early today) as they have always come in quietly until now and gone to bed quietly.
Last night the falcon was chupping on the corner???

I am just thinking out loud.  I did not go  the night before so I do not know. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\



: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 20, 2009, 12:01
Three guys on the roof - I wonder what is going on now?  They are just standing there, talking.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 20, 2009, 12:11
Now FIVE guys on the roof? - Wonder what's going on... ??? - They're not facing the nestbox, looking the other way - now there are 2 men left...........now they're all gone. Oh well, it was nice to have something to watch for a few minutes!  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 20, 2009, 12:24
I wonder if they know they are "on camera", and being watched ?  ;D
I hope that they are biologists trying to I.D. the Peregrines  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 20, 2009, 12:30
Pfffttt...I want to see falcons not hoomans!!

I missed all that, did they have scopes or binoculars or were they just the maintenance crew?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 20, 2009, 12:32
Didn't have anything, just standing around facing the opposite direction of the nestbox - one guy had a suit on, carrying his jacket - other guys just casual dressed but not workmen.  - Might not be related to falcons at all, maybe they just wanted to look at the view!  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 20, 2009, 12:39
Didn't see the "hooomons" but I suspect you were seeing them on the next roof over ... if the falcons had been there and territorial, it would have been way more fun to what the "hooomons" run  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Elaine L April 20, 2009, 13:03
Hi, Bev, and yes, it was camera 1.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 20, 2009, 13:32
When observing the biologists usually come onto roof from a door on roof just below nest box(there is a passage way where they can observe from.
and if the falcons are on the nest box, they can observe from a window.
I wish I had been watching that cam, I may have recognized someone.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 20, 2009, 17:12
As pretty as that egg is, I'd like to see some scrapes in the nest and a peregrine or two -- still haven't seen one at this nest.  I'm so looking forward to Radisson taking up her spot again. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 20, 2009, 19:37
Yes Liz I'm with you.  I find it odd that they haven't shown up at all since the first 2 days when they were buzzing the box especially now that the ravens have been gone.  I'd have at least expected dad to come in and do some scraping or to see Radisson there cleaning up (ok maybe her cleaning is a stretch!) because at all the other sites we've observed they did just that.  In fact at some they fought pretty badly over it.  I know they aren't ready to nest but they usually show up for a few minutes to stake their claim at least, do a little victory dance maybe.

I wonder if Radisson having only been here 1 season might be inclined to nest elsewhere, I know Bev did mention there were other places nearby she could see them using?  Perhaps she is not so keen on coming back now.  Perhaps being born on the ledge herself, she might find a ledge appealing herself. 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 20, 2009, 20:43
Oh no, no ledges please.
NESTBOX IN THE WEST!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 20, 2009, 21:31
PEREGRINE in the box |  Whoo Hoo  ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 20, 2009, 21:43
Really! Great news to report!
Thank goodness you were watching Maggieblue.
I wonder if Bev is there?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 20, 2009, 21:46
Really??!  I missed it!  Eyes are glued now! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 20, 2009, 22:14
I am writing a report in a minute. I ope you were all wtching your cams. I am so D----excited Yessssssss
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 20, 2009, 22:40
Finally. This is great! Bev-go open the champagne!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 20, 2009, 22:42
Well, I was going to phone CArly but it would have been 10:30 her time and I thought she  might be in bed.

Well, Good old Peter consented to us going down  tonight ,and we were blessed. Oh yes, we were.
WE got there about 6:00pm and knew we were going to have to wait.

I did see the female raven not too far from the sight .(just  so you know)

Peter went and got us a nice romantic dinner of Chile from Hortons and we sat on a sand box on the parkade and ate.

And then we waited.

Well at 8:20pm I spotted my first falcon. It came flying from the east like a bat out of heck, beyond the nest building and then soared around and then along came another going just as fast.
I thought , they are sure quiet . Are they ours or is there a chase.

Of course, Peter has gone to check their night spot and missed it.

Then they both started  coming  back. And if your cam was up you would have seen one fly by the box at about 8:21pm . I thought it was going in.  
But it checked it out   because it flew   so close, and then they were both off like a flash to the north east.
 Then they came back , and one was on the Power building( kitty corner to the Ed building) and I knew and the other was somewhere by Campus tower(I think when I have been posting I may have posted campus tower and meant college plaza. College Plaza is the females building. Campus tower is down by Suite hotel

Anyway Peter and I went to see them and just as we got there , the one from the power building flew off in the direction of the nest box.Peter walked quickly back  and  I watched the one on the corner of Campus tower. Now why they were there I do not know. (they would  not share that with me)

The one  from the Campus tower then flew off and back towards the nest building, so I ran across a don't walk and made a B-line for the clinical science.
And you guys are worried about shouting Nest on the West.  I am waiting for them to put me in the Psych ward

There was my better half watching. One was in the nest box and one was on the side of the heart building back to us. I think it was the female in the nest box.

After a bit the one in the nest box sat on the perch and then flew off and sat on the street side of the clinical science building. The other one flew off the heart building and went into the nest box and then flew off to see the female.
Then it went and sat on a light on the heart building.  

Well, Peter said we did not need to them tuck in and I was not going to argue.  

So I am hoping they are RAdisson and the male from last year.

I have to e-mail the biologists becasue now they can get out their scopes.

  
 I am praying the transmitter girl does not come back to the nest building.
so watch your cams and maybe we can see the bands or tell if it is RAdisson.
Did they take the eggs out???

I am so excited.  they were still on the buildings when we left.

 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 20, 2009, 22:54
Wow Bev, after all that has gone on in the last week this is so great.  ;D
I saw one and went to post.  Then my internet went out.  When I got back on there was one in the box. After reading your report that they both came in for a visit I don't know if it was the same one.  I did try to get a look at the bands.  All I could see was a silver band on the right leg.  I also noticed that the falcon was looking down below and I wondered if she/he was watching Bev.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 20, 2009, 23:07
Yay!!!!!! - The peregrines are back in their nest - whew!!! - incredible that all is well and nobody got 'murdered' in the end!!!!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 07:32
Not to be the devils advocate or not but now to see if this is the  same pair I have been seeing.

It was strange the way they came in.  And where they were before they went to the nest building. 
I wish I could have stayed and seen where they turned in . I guess all in due time.

I have never really gone down at the beginning of the season before.  Not this early anyhow.  I usually let things take care of themselves, but the Raven issue had me down there.

Now it is a wait and see.
It was dusk by the time they came in so it was hard to really get a good look at who they were. Peter said too dark for pictures. and they were so silent.

the egg is still there.
Be interesting to see when they remove it.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 21, 2009, 07:45
They might just have different roosting spots during incubation and eyases in the box time.  With my pair here, after having watched them for 1 year straight now - I have noticed that in the Spring (now) dad will sit on the ADP sign, he sits on the A when he's watching and when he defeathers and eats he does it on the curve where the D meets P.  Once the young have fledged, he does not sit there at all - which had me confused all winter.  I thought oh my god he's gone, it's not the same male!  But now soon as the eggs were laid, he's back on the sign every day in his old routine. 

I hope Radisson or dad comes to the box today, I'm anxious to see them again! 

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 21, 2009, 08:00
Morning Bev and all.  About the identity...I was so excited at first to finally see a falcon in the nestbox that I didn't really take in the details, just went to post so others could look too ( and hopefully someone who could capture a picture).  When I looked in for the second time I thought that I should try to take in the details for a potential identification.  The part above the beak (technical term here ?) was a bright gold with a little bit of white above.  Quite a large yellow rim aroung eyes appearing wider towards the front.  Silver band on bird's right leg, couldn't get a clear look at the left. I just checked the Edmonton photo gallery pictures of the male and it certainly looked like him.  I hope that the biologists or someone else will be able to ID this pair soon, as I am sure that after everything that has gone here in recent years we would all really like to know that Radisson is back and O.K.
I am also hoping for the best for the transmiitter girl.  After two years of having "her tailfeathers handed to her" perhaps she won't come back to the nestbox but look for another location and male.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 09:06
That is what I am hoping too, Maggie.(about transmitter girl)

Now that they know they are indeed visiting the nest box they will probably try and ID.

I know what you mean Carly about differences at different times of the year.
that is why I am kicking myself that I did not push to stay until they bedded down. Because that is a tell all for me.

I am hoping it is Radisson also. we will hire a maid this year. Or borrow Tracy's hoe ;D ;D

and I am hoping it is the male tpp.

It was funny last night becasue I felt helpless that i could not capture shots on my computer :) :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 11:16
If you really look you can see the scratching of the falcons from last night.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 16:02
I e-mailed a report to the biologists and one wrote me back and told me the fast flight I saw was a nest box display.

He sees it in the Rankin Inlet all the time.

Learn something new every day.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 21, 2009, 16:13
What's that? - Like a victory dance at having won the battle over their property? - or a declaration of ownership?  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 21, 2009, 16:17
More like a "I'm too sexy for this nestbox" thang  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 16:44
 or Come To My Pad Babe :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 21, 2009, 17:23
Pffftt..I've seen neither hide nor feather of a falcon here today when I had time to watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 17:23
Did the egg just move while I was reading?  I was going to comment that it looked moved, and now it's changed again.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 18:43
Did I just see something fly by? 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 21, 2009, 19:04
Ok if you saw it then so did I!  I saw a blip and thought was that something???  Naw..I must have imagined it.  But if you saw it too then we either did or we're both delusional  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 19:24
Last night when they came on one did a quick flyby and then they went down the street for awhile.
so you may have seen a fly by
I am cooking supper so I missed it.

they won't be in  too much for a bit yet. Last year they were not both in until about April16th and they were both here (the one form Balzac) beginning of March.
so we ae later this year.
I will go back and check my notes
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 19:38
But if you saw it too then we either did or we're both delusional  :P
No we're not, we saw it.  Two people can't both have the same delusion at the same time, living thousands of miles apart.   ;D  I know you're not my long-lost twin! 

I just hope I see someone settled in soon, not flashing by.  I'm going to guess/hope -- by the end of this weekend, we'll be happy! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 19:55
Falcon in the nest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 21, 2009, 19:57
Darn it...I missed it.  Stupid supper!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 21, 2009, 19:58
Me too...darn it, was too busy typing..I talk too much  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 19:58
Only just missed - left like 10 secs ago!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 21, 2009, 19:59
If we would just stop typing hey Carly  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 21, 2009, 20:01
Hehe!  Now it's my bedtime *sigh*.  Oh well maybe I'll see them tomorrow!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 21, 2009, 20:02
Good night Carly!  Sleep tight...

Tomorrow will be a great day... I just sense it!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 20:10
I learned a lesson about hitting the PrtScn key -- it only saves the last one.  It's a good pic, but not as interesting as the first three.  So now... I don't know how to post it.  Can I save a PrtScn pic to anything in the How Do I post a photo from TPC?  I know someone out there knows this!  - where the heck is SGB?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 21, 2009, 20:19
i know you can open up paint in your accesories and save it there.

posting it though i have no idea
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 20:37
I knew I should not have cooked supper. I missed it also.
Hope they come back

 do you have photofiltre Liz
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 20:40
I keep my photo filter up and then when I press print screen , I quickly put it over there and then I can so and other print screen and then quickly put it into photo filter again. sometimes I have 20 pictures there before I process them .
If you have a program like that then process them and save to a file.

i then go into a program called Photo bucket and bring the pictures over and then get my Url and then I can post it here.

clear as mud , right.
I can help you if I know what you have
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 20:43
Corel photo house is another good program
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: kittenface April 21, 2009, 20:45
Ok stupid question but do you all have a live picture or is it the 3 stills that refresh like I see it 3 different views?
Thanks
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 21, 2009, 20:47
do you have photofiltre Liz
I have no idea what I have, or how to use it.  I know 'we' (aka the fledging) have too many photo album options loaded on my laptop, but I don't know what's saved where. 
I also know (beep-beep-beep) we should move this to the "How Do I" thread/folder/whatever-it's-called! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 20:49
O.K> i will go over there but with my cams up.
Poor hubby is sitting alone becasue I wanted to try and ID the  falcons
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 20:54
I cannot post anything there Liz. there are not reply buttons
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 21, 2009, 21:43
I sent you  a few pm's Liz.

Just e-mail me if you need help. I have been doing photos for a few years . I am so curious to see your picture.(I know this is off topic. Just trying to help)

I guess that was it for the day. but I will stay here for a bit yet. Just in case.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 21, 2009, 22:00
Ok stupid question but do you all have a live picture or is it the 3 stills that refresh like I see it 3 different views?
Thanks

That's a good question in view of descriptions of 'fly by, etc.'
We all see what you described Kittenface.  Sadly, no streaming video and no sound, just those refreshes.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: kittenface April 21, 2009, 22:09
Ok stupid question but do you all have a live picture or is it the 3 stills that refresh like I see it 3 different views?
Thanks

That's a good question in view of descriptions of 'fly by, etc.'
We all see what you described Kittenface.  Sadly, no streaming video and no sound, just those refreshes.

Thank you for letting me know
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 06:46
FALCON ON THE BOX!!!!  Woohoo!!  I got 4 screenshots but can't post from work, I will email to myself and post from home later this afternoon!!

Falcon in the Box...now!!  Now sitting on edge, I'm snapping away!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 07:18
Wow..she/he  has been on the ledge now for about 20 minutes...that's a good sign..!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 07:40
She just left . I have a few pictures but post yours also Carly.

I am looking to see face. I think she has the white above the cere.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 07:41
Ok well they were there for about 39 minutes total, I took about 20 screen shots - keep in mind it's only 6:30 ish there so it was dusky.  Bev, if you want to see the shots just pm me with a real email address and I can send them from work.  I'm just not allowed to post to storage sites from the office.  I couldn't see bands but got good detail on the falcon, you can clearly see the cap, the breast, etc..
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 07:52
Just pmd you
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 07:56
these are not good . for some reason I could not enlarge ::) ::)


I will have to fix

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 07:57
I have to leave but will be back in an hour
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 08:03
Ok Bev, I've sent you 3 emails with shots enclosed.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 08:06
I got your e-mails Carly. Some great shots. I will post some when I get back.Does look the same but I check more carefully.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 22, 2009, 08:10
I knew it was going to be a good day today!

Love the sight of those falcons at their nestbox!   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 09:20
Falcon in the box again!!   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 22, 2009, 09:29
Wonderful to read that they have been spending a lot of time there today.  ;D Cheers to Carly and Bev for capturing photos  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 22, 2009, 09:30
Excellent!!! - Thanks for the photos, I haven't been lucky enough to see them at the nest yet! (Where did that little twig in the nest come from??)  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 09:31
The twig was there before, probably came to surface when the falcons were scratching maybe.

Bev: I sent you more shots of this recent visit.  Got a close up of the side of the head this is quite clear. 

I did see two bands but just not clear enough to identify - one is dark..black maybe and the other lighter - green maybe??. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 22, 2009, 09:35
Just a note folks, let's try to keep the conversations on the Observation threads more general and less one-on-one on details that the rest of the viewers can read/see.  

Please keep in mind that when you send a pm (private message) the receiver' s toolbar is updated everytime their page is refreshed so their really is not need to "tell" them they have a pm.  its also a bit like whispering at a party  ;)  

Thanks!
TPC
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 09:37
Sorry TPC, you're right...we're just over-excited  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 22, 2009, 11:19
A falcon is home!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 12:15
Peregrine falcon outside the nestbox  ;D  She's inside now where the cam is much clearer, got the band..it's silver on the right leg.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 22, 2009, 12:25
Now she is showing her left band too.  Looks like it is all black with light letters. What is Radisson's band like, and what are the letters/numbers?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 22, 2009, 12:27
It's so exciting to finally see a falcon "home".
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 12:32
I think she is saying "I am home now...this is my house, welcome - unless of course you are a raven or a human"  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 12:48
11:47am
just got home and nice to see a falcon there.

Radissons band is R7(HV)
I will go and look for color now

I am on Carlys pictures and post themalso going to work
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 12:52
There is a 7 on one of the bands, I'm just zooming in right now on the current photos.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:06
I keep losing post. Carly you can see radisson has a 7
here are some of CArlys  ear;ier shots. I will post them in a few frames

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 22, 2009, 13:07
Radisson's band number is R/7 I believe ....

*TPC heads off to her shoebox to check *

Yup band number is vertical R over sideways 7 which is written in the official records (real official, not just mine ;) ) as R/*7 for those of you who want to know.  The black band signifies Canadian, wild-hatched young.  If you get a look at her silver band, don't go blind thinking you can read the numbers, there are 8 or 9 of them and they are small and embossed into the metal.  They are there to help if the bird is found injured or dead. 

BTW - if you should ever find a silver band, some say FWS or CWS on them, tape them to a piece of paper with your name, address, phone number and email address and detailled information on where, when and how you found the band - include photos if you have 'em and mail to the Canadian Wildlife Service or the US Fish & Wildlife Service and they will contact the bander and also provide you with information on the bird you found.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:08
 second picture in nest set is what did it for me. The exact picture I posted last year.
I will find it

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:09
I posted the band earlier up Tracy
R7(HV)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:18
more of Carly's pictures

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:21
A few more.  and I am sure I see a 7 also Carly's also

In the last one she is saying.  HI Guys, let the season begin :-* :-*

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 22, 2009, 13:30
Beautiful photos!  Thanks Carly and Bev  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:33
I won't always post as many pictures guys. the threads will get too long. Just today .
Here is the head shot of RAdisson from last year and one of the male
RAdisson has a few nicks because she was in a fight with my other girl shortly after she arrived. It was of camera

Female calls out today
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male (last year)
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female (last year)
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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 22, 2009, 13:43
For those of you who don't want to post photos you know you have posted here before, you can go find the photo from last year and include a link to the thread OR just tell folks where the photos are - for example, last year's thread on June 7th.  The archive is set up chronologically so it shouldn't be too difficult to find stuff ...

Just as an option.

Bev - I will try in the next couple of weeks to go through all your photos and copy some to our photo gallery so we will have a record of Radisson over the years!  I know I said I would do it last year, but it sort of slipped through the holes in my list of things to do ... Sorry, will try to get to them soon!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:52
Thanks Tracy.
I will see if I can find archive.

someone asked where the twig came from/. It was probably under the gravel or on the side of the box and when they were digging it around it was uncovered. that is my thought anyway.

And she leaves

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 13:55
and one more. A blow up of the band. Carly may have better

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 14:09
If you are watching and see the male come in, his band is O/Y

she is back on outside perch and looking all around.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 22, 2009, 14:13
This is the first time I caught them there this year. How beautiful to see someone standing guard on the perch.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 22, 2009, 15:35
If you are watching and see the male come in, his band is O/Y

What colour is his band Bev and is the Y horizontal or vertical?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 22, 2009, 16:17
I will have to check the color but I thought it was silver
It is like this
O|Y.

The band you can read will be a color - black or red or black/green, or black/red or or or.  The silver band won't be readable unless the bird is in the hand or six inches from your eye and willing to pirouette for you!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 16:25
The band they used at the banding last year was black so it is probably black. I was at the banding .
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 22, 2009, 19:47
So happy to see a falcon at the nestbox this evening   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 19:53
Isn't it, she is a beauty!!  She's been preening and looking around and even down for awhile...wonder if she's looking for Bev and Eli to say hello;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 19:56
She has sure been around a lot today.
that is great. You can tell it is windy here and cold.
Snow is in the forecast.

I cannot go down today. Sorry. I will be down there tomorrow or Friday.
I am itching to get down there, so I might go after I am done at my daughters tomorrow morning.
Still waiting for  the male to come in
I only have 50 pictures today. ;D


: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 22, 2009, 20:04
Lol Bev!  About an hour and half ago she was standing outside looking up alot very calmly and I thought maybe dad was out there doing some aerial displays for her.  Then she left for awhile which I figured was her dinner time!
 
It's my bed time and at least tonight I go to sleep knowing she is safe at home  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 20:08
Boy,did you watch that.
what an itch !

I will post a few pictures 
                   

 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 22, 2009, 20:15
very cool .. i saw the peregrin in the nest ....
i wonder how long before they turf the egg
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 20:24
One of the biologists here said they might just roll it to the corner or it may go underneath as they scrape in the nest box.
Oh, she does look cozy
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 21:03
She had a real itch tonight ;D ;D What a contortionist

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 22, 2009, 21:04
Nothing against George and Weezie as we all grew a soft spot for them in our hearts....hope they're doing great, but it is so wonderful to see the falcons getting cozy in their nestbox!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 22, 2009, 21:16
Just a quick comment before I settle in to read what I've missed today -- first I saw that the egg has moved again, then I saw the photos from this am of a PF on the nest.  I go to the bottom of each page to see where the day starts -- stopped when I got to pg 3 and it was still today!  lol  Didn't read anything cuz I need to start at the beginning. 
But -- YAHOO!!!!!!!!  (One off, T.  Wings folded, bow.  And curtsy.) 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 22, 2009, 21:27
FALCON!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 22, 2009, 21:34
Wow...lots and lots and lots of visits!   8)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 22, 2009, 22:04
I will try and go down tomorrow and see if I can see the male

heres looking at you




(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev10/edmontonapril22-40-9.jpg)

O.K. now I will stop with so many  pictures :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 22, 2009, 22:15
No apology necessary -- glad for the perfect photo!  The PFs are where they should be and, as far as we know, G&W are makin' whoopee again as we speak/y'all read.  And, if I was going to hooman-ize (sp? lol) it, I'd say I'm kinda happy that the egg hasn't been attacked - kudos to R and her mothering instinct. 
Now -- let the bobble-headed/white fluff/I'm propped-up-on-the-egg-behind-me-and-aren't-I-cute begin!!   :) :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 23, 2009, 06:40
7:40 AM EST and it's dark but Radisson is in the nest box!!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 23, 2009, 08:00
Both adults in the box!!  Bowing to each other, I'm taking shots!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 08:08
Was getting ready to go out and caught just the last of the male and female in nestBox

My pictures are in reverse order. Sorry.
last one first.

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 23, 2009, 08:41
e-chup e-chup e-chup e-chup....  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 23, 2009, 10:28
'Somebody' is standing guard at the door to the castle, surveying their kingdom! At least 10 minutes now without budging.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 23, 2009, 12:15
Ooooooh - 2 of them in the nest now, poking around - now the male takes off & leaves Radisson to redecorate the apt before the babies arrive!  8)
Hey is it just me, or is Camera 3 all blurry?  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 12:38
Camera 3 does that sometimes. I am e-mailing about a few things.  so I will add that to the list.

I would think with all the time she is spending at the nest box, they have been and are doing the Deed ;) ;)
The ravens at the box just prevented us from seeing of the beginning action I guess.  Whenever peter and I were down they were not around much but they could have been courting in another area until they wee ready for the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 23, 2009, 13:39
2 Falcons in the nest again - Radisson looks like she's trying to do a head-stand....hmmmmmmm - egg coming soon??  :o   
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 14:39
the biologists have confirmed what we knew. RAdisson.

I blew up one of mine and one of Carlys pictures but I cannot confirm the band on the male.
But I am almost certain it is him

the male has been in 3 times that I saw.

I think if all goes well we may have eggs sooner than we think.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 23, 2009, 16:05
Excellent news Bev and yes, they certainly do seem to be moving right along...it will be fun to watch Radisson with a few babies this year...we probably won't be able to see the bottom of the nest box from all the feathers and bits by the end of season  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 16:31
Maybe she took a course while she was gone ;D ;D
she is sitting pretty right now
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 21:13
I just got back from the site and am frozen. Very cold today.

When I got there the female was just getting ready to leave the box and I saw the male fly onto the roof of clinical science building out of view.
The female flew out to the east and the male followed.
I could see them with the binoculars and they were chasing a bird of some kind . I thought at first another falcon(becasue I am paranoid ::) ::)) But they clipped it and missed. They were on either side of it. I think it was a gull.

They came back and flew towards the Newton apartments and then the female came to roost on the south east corner of the clinical science building.

Eventually the male came back and perched on his tower at  the Windsor apartments.

I had to go and warm up but when we came back outside Peter saw a falcon on the north corner of the extension building and we saw feathers flying.

I went up top and could see the male perched and then the female came into sight defeathering and eating.  Peter went to the car becasue it was so cold and I stayed up top.

The female ate for quite awhile while the male  watched and then the female flew off over the heart building and the male started to eat.  He did not stay there long before he flew off with the leftovers in his talons. He flew north  to ward the Suite hotel  and then turned west, out of sight.
I left and we drove n the car and I spotted one of them on the back of the hospital on one of the towers.
I called it an evening.
I will look and see if any of my pictures are worth placing here.  I will have to get my daughters camera for the weekend.

I cannot afford one right now.

EVerything seems to be going well and my fingers are crossed for the next couple of days.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 22:02
these are not very good but it gives you an idea of what I saw.

The falcon on the left is the male and the one down is the female. the female flew right over me

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you can see female standing on prey(prey is hanging over ledge
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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: lobi April 23, 2009, 22:04
Just had a peek at the box - one of the falcons was on the perch until just before 9:00 pm.  It's started snowing here and the falcon flew away - hopefully seeking shelter for the night.  It is going to be a chilly, wet one.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 22:07
It is snowing here in St. Albert
where do you live lobi.

they will be alright . they bed down on a well sheltered ledge in the evening
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: lobi April 23, 2009, 22:10
Nice pictures, Bev.  I've read through all this season's postings so far - my goodness, so much excitement and action already!  And it's still very early in the year!  I am really glad that the birds settled things without any serious harm coming to any of them.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: lobi April 23, 2009, 22:12
I live in central Edmonton - this is the second year I've been watching the Edmonton falcons, the third for the Radisson ones.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 22:13
I have a picture of the snow starting. something tells me it did this last year also. I will go back and check

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonapril23-24-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 23, 2009, 22:15
Maybe during fledge time you would like to help out.
Nice to see you here. You will know the buildings I am talking about. If you ever want to know where their places are e-mail me.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: lobi April 23, 2009, 22:18
Thanks, Bev.   :) I will probably do that one of these days. I'm finding the more I watch and learn about them the more of a "phanatic" I become.  I'm going to call it a night - talk to you next time our 'paths' cross.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 24, 2009, 07:34
Both Radisson and dad at the nestbox.  Radisson is inside almost doing a headstand and dad is outside on the perch looking in at her.  The time is 8:34 EST.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 24, 2009, 09:54
8:53am
RAdisson enjoying the sun this morning on inside  lip of box.
Very cool outside though.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 24, 2009, 11:21
I came in on this picture and I thought Oh NO. but hen saw dad in box and radisson went in.  Missed shot of the male

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 24, 2009, 13:05
A few shots before I go out

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 24, 2009, 13:13
12:06pm
I am gone but male and female together. I was a little afraid with those last shots.

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 24, 2009, 16:29
Ack..the site is down???!! Never mind, it's back.

I saw 2 falcons but I keep losing connection to the cams?? Strange.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 24, 2009, 16:39
Talons crossed that Homeless doesn't come back here.  It has been so wonderful to see the falcons in the nestbox.   I too saw Radisson and the male in the nestbox today with heads bowed.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 24, 2009, 16:56
Looks like y'all will have eggs in May ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 06:06
7:00 am EST and I have been watching since 6 am.  No sign of anyone in the past hour, all is quiet.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 06:25
7:25 am and Radisson flies in and settles to watch over her domain.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 07:38
8:37 am and both Radisson and dad were in the nest box bowing and then he flew off.  She had left for a bit, probably for breakfast and he escorted her home  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 08:48
9:47 am and Radisson just flew off.  I'm out now to go for food but I know some folks at BCW site are watching as well.  Hopefully peace will reign today. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 25, 2009, 11:08
10:07am
I am just up and I believe it is Radisson sitting on inside lip of box.
It is snowing in St. Albert but it does not look like it has hit Edmonton

Positive thoughts
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 25, 2009, 11:10
Nice to see so much of Radisson today.  ;D  I thought that I saw some flurries earlier.  Let's hope that this miserable weather ends soon.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 12:00
I am going to read out on the balcony for a bit but will leave monitor up and pointing toward the window so I can keep my eye on the nestbox..it is plus 30 here today  :-\

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 25, 2009, 12:58
I am going to read out on the balcony for a bit but will leave monitor up and pointing toward the window so I can keep my eye on the nestbox..it is plus 30 here today  :-\
Oh yeah Carly.  Rub it in why don't you while the rest of us are writing about snowflakes  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 25, 2009, 13:07
CArly :P :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 25, 2009, 13:28
I am out for a bit
Radis son flew off and now is back but has her eyes on something.
Maybe the male

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 25, 2009, 13:36
Oh yeah Carly.  Rub it in why don't you while the rest of us are writing about snowflakes  :D
lol - Well I may be weird, but I'd take cold & crisp any day over hot & sweaty - good thing I live here aye!  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 25, 2009, 13:38
A picture from just now and then I am gone ;) ;) ;)
I loved this one. whoopps

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 25, 2009, 13:42
scraping time   ;D

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 14:46
Great photos Bev!  I'm back in now, got a sunburn on my feet..lol!  I didn't mean to rub in the weather, it's been cold here and this is the first nice day we've had this year but tomorrow back to cool and rainy. 

Radisson on her throne... :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 25, 2009, 14:58
Radisson looks like she is really scraping up a storm  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 25, 2009, 17:03
I'm back in now, got a sunburn on my feet..lol!  I didn't mean to rub in the weather, it's been cold here and this is the first nice day we've had this year but tomorrow back to cool and rainy. 

The perils of written communication.  Hope you know that I was just kidding.  And hey, sunburn on your feet  :D 
Hope you and all of the TO peregrines have great weather.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 17:32
No worries Maggie, I knew you were kidding.  And yeah the feet...partly shaded balcony this time of year and feet were in the sun.  They're like a falcons' feet now, big and bright  :P

Speaking of falcons as I feel a shovel coming ..... Radisson is in and out alot this evening.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 18:23
Radisson came in and sat on the perch for a minute then looked up and over and took off like a shot..let's hope it's just dinner that's caught her attention  :-X

Whew..it was only dad, they came back together and are in the box bowing to each other again..I love when they do that  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 25, 2009, 19:10
So far so good this evening.  So good to see Radisson here this enening.  ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 25, 2009, 19:14
I'm surprised the egg is still there.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 25, 2009, 19:19
they will probably just move the egg to a corner or bury it in the gravel.that is what I was told by one of the biologists.

6:27pm

I am off now
Radisson on the inside lip. and now inside and then back on lip.
You know if I could get down there tonight I would :( :(
She is off again but this is the time they fly around . Well the times I have been down there this week this was a meal time hunt or jsut a fly around .
she is back again facing in.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 25, 2009, 21:12
Well no sign of either Radisson or dad at the moment, so I"m off to sleep.  I will catch the early shift and hope it continues to stay peaceful as I left it  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 25, 2009, 21:14
Nite nite Carly!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 25, 2009, 21:17
Have a good sleep, carly!   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 06:27
7:25 am EST and Radisson has flown in, she's on the perch preening herself.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 06:29
She is being a real early bird this morning. I am hoping that if the transmitter girl comes by and sees her there she will just continue on. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 06:36
From our keyboards to her transmitter Maggie  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 08:22
Falcon at the box, looking down and looking upset.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 08:42
Yes I saw that too, didn't want to comment on it just in case it was nothing or just me being paranoid.  Let's hope it's not what we think it is. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 08:50
Did you get a shot of falcon at box?? hopefully Radisson
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 08:50
I didn't take a shot but it was definitely Radisson.  She seemed agitated, looking down and her mouth was open like she was vocalizing.  It was the looking down that made me hesitate to say anything as I figured another falcon would be flying high and overhead but could just have been something flying through at a lower altitude??

She has not been back since then, I'm glued to the monitor awaiting her return.  Hopefully it will turn out to be only brekkie she was after.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 09:02
If it was down like towards the roof , then maybe a biologist is there and was seen.
I have to go out but will check until I do.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 09:06
Excellent, she was looking straight down so you are probably right..humans pffftt... ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 09:29
There we go, back safe and sound and not a feather out of place  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 09:30
She's back.  Little devil, scaring us like that  :D

And now gone again  ::)  Oh well
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 09:39
thanks goodness.  I can go to church now.

She was probably feeding across the way . that is where dad has been dropping the food off for her.

Positive vibes everyone. :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 09:48
She;s in da box now  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 11:12
Radisson is back and sitting on the perch looking pretty at 12:11 EST.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 12:56
Snowing again in Edmonton.  What unbelievably bad weather they have been having. 
Radisson has been spending a great deal of time in the nestbox today.  That twig has been shoved all around the place.  I hope that this means there will be an egg soon.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 26, 2009, 15:12
It's been eerily quiet here for the past 2 hours, no sight of any falcons at all. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 16:04
What is that o
white blob on the left. Or is it jsut a glare.

Sun is finally coming out.

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 17:05
4:04pm

Radisson is on her perch
as soon as we know everything is O.K. I am going to give the male a name , if you do not mind.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 17:13
4:10pm
sun is shining here(at my house) but snow again in Edmonton

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 17:36
4:04pm

Radisson is on her perch
as soon as we know everything is O.K. I am going to give the male a name , if you do not mind.


Whoa Bev, we all thought that he deserved a name last year, and who better than you to name him  ;D  I am so glad that things appear to be going so well.  I just saw Radisson again. You must be pleased at how things are going now.  ;D  I have been watching pretty much since pre-dawn today.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 26, 2009, 17:40
What is that white blob on the left. Or is it jsut a glare.
It's been snowing, right?  (And is again, it seems!)  I'm guessing it's condensation.  Or a poop shot?   ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 26, 2009, 19:31
And hey Bev, you remember my suggetion from last year, right?  No presure, but I still think that Roland would be a pretty cool name, historical connections and all.  Radisson and Rowland, doesn't that have a certain ring about it?  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 20:00
I actually am taking that into account.  I am looking for something that might mean good provider or sturdy.
I am just making sure everything works out here first. :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 26, 2009, 20:14
Hi Bev, here are some foreign words that might strike your fancy:
STURDY:
Dutch-Stevig
French-Vigoureux
German-Stark
Italian-Robusto
Portuguese-Resistente
Spanish-Robusto

PROVIDER:
Dutch-Leverancier
French-Fournisseur
German-Versorger
Italian-Fornitore
Portugese-Fornecedor
Spanish-Abastecedor

Just food for thought.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 21:03
Those names are quite a mouthful aren't they ;D ;D ;D I can't tell you what my mind was saying with some  them. ;) ;)

talk about being paranoid ,Carly. Every time RAdisson makes a quick move I   cringe ::) ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 21:10
A couple of shots

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: birdcamfan April 26, 2009, 21:18
Those names are quite a mouthful aren't they ;D ;D ;D I can't tell you what my mind was saying with some  them. ;) ;)

I think I was thinking the same thing. A few of them raised my eyebrow!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bccs April 26, 2009, 21:32
Those names are quite a mouthful aren't they ;D ;D ;D I can't tell you what my mind was saying with some  them. ;) ;)

talk about being paranoid ,Carly. Every time RAdisson makes a quick move I   cringe ::) ::)

Isn't Radisson one of Treys' kids? If so, she must have inherited some smarts from the old man.
And please don't make me think what you were saying. My imagination works overtime and wouldn't want to put naughty thoughts in my head - they may come out my mouth. :o ;D ;D  lol
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Moonstar April 26, 2009, 21:38
Bev, you see the Peregrines up close and personal...well as up close and personal as one can get.  I think you must have a gut feeling what to name Raddison's mate.  I look forward to hearing what his name will be. And by the way thanks for all the work you do, all the pictures and all the reports on the Edmonton pair.  For some reason the cameras there do not work on my computer. They do not refresh.  Your reports and photos keep me informed, so many thanks to you and your husband.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 26, 2009, 22:00
Isn't Radisson one of Treys' kids? If so, she must have inherited some smarts from the old man.

She is one of Trey's and Princess', not sure which trait except the ability to escort interlopers out of her territory ... certainly not the housekeeping gene ... I can't imagine that nestbox with more than one chick AND all the "left-overs" like last year ....  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: msdolittle April 26, 2009, 22:23
haha .. yes ... she keeps a comfy home Radisson does ... ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 26, 2009, 22:58
I am hoping if she has more than one chick they will help keep house ;D ;D

and you are quite welcome Moon star

the problem may be with your java
I had to switch back to the old one.

I will try and pcik a suitable name for the male
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 27, 2009, 06:44
7:44 am EST and Radisson is already in the box this morning on her perch.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 07:46
the biologists stayed after I left yesterday and saw a few more copulations and several nest box displays and then Radisson went  out north east to a tower. they figure to ward off someone passing by.

: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 27, 2009, 08:04
Uh oh screamin Radisson at 9:04 am...she's looking down though, another biologist maybe?? ???

Okay now she's calmed down.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 27, 2009, 09:09
0905 hrs (Winnipeg) - box is empty - and very clean to my eye.  Nestbox cam is either out of focus or there is condensation on the lens, looks a bit blurry to my eye.  Other cams are empty of birds, people, whatever ...
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 27, 2009, 09:16
And she's back...just landed on the perch. 10:15 EST. And out just as fast  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 09:51
I have e-mailed about the refresh and the condensation . see what they say.

I asked the biologist yesterday what she was looking down at and he said probably some workers at the hospital as no one was on the roof .
Now he did not get there until 7:30am so , jsut a thought, maybe TG was in area and Radisson was just sounding the alarm to get out.

I wish I had the time to get down there more right now.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 10:07
9:07am
Radisson back and vocal and looks towards the heart building and then is off.

I am going to take a hop down there.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 27, 2009, 10:50
Radisson hunkered down in the nestbox at 11:45 am.  I wonder if Radisson is aware that 2 other females are parked right outside her territory.  That's what the female that unsurped Mariah did - she hung out there for about a month until she made her move.  Makes me nervous.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 27, 2009, 11:26
She's landed on the perch, and taken off again shortly at least 3 times in the last half hour.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 27, 2009, 12:27
Sure wish the camera wasn't always fogging up! - that hunkering looks like maybe some eggs are coming soon!  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 12:34
Carly, the biologist said yesterday that she will be aware of the 2 at the Weber building.

I walked all around the area and no sign of intruders with wings.

But there was a guy with a red hardhat on the roof below the nest box way to the right.  She  flew very clsoe to his head  and  then went into box and then came out.
This is what is bothering her. I think they sew me with my binoculars and they disappeared but she is upset about that.
Then there is some work being done at the helipad on the Heart building. but that is quite a ways from her but they might have come out on the side where she could see them.

I wish they would do this work before the falcons come back. the weather was nice enough a bit ago.

I have e-mailed the biologists because I thought once the falcons were at the nest box they were not to be  on the roof.

I am hoping it remains calm but.... I will go down as much as I can but I have to get some stuff done right now.. I am leaving my cam up.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 27, 2009, 13:13
The birds can be quite tolerant.  The Radisson peregrines (all the pairs) are quite used to activity on the roof and they ignore until they get too close or they just sit up high and watch.  I freaks out the new contractors actually - they just sit up on the towers and stare at them ...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 13:30
Well this one should be really freaked out ;D ;D

!2:25pm two in box(picture not good but you can see them)

Radisson stayed in box for a few minutes and at 12:30pm she is on inside lip

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 27, 2009, 13:57
Is that snow again?  Radisson has been in the nestbox for a while now.  Does she look a little bottom heavy or is that just wishful thinking?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 14:04
that is the moisture on the cam. e-mailed about it.
It is hard to see but I believe there is  a piece of prey in there and she was eating.

this is another good sign
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 27, 2009, 14:09
Hopefully she is 'with egg'...hehe..I love that saying  ;D 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 15:26
The biologist that I was with yesterday thought she was a long way off. but I have been watching like all of you I am thinking she is  close.

Once she spends the night in the box, then we are ready.


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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 27, 2009, 15:40
Bev, how do you get those pics on here? - I can do a screen capture but can't copy it.  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 15:42
I cannot see out my window it is snowing so hard. hope the net site does not get it

I will pm you ballywing
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: ballywing April 27, 2009, 15:50
Site looks clear & sunny right now - Can't see much on Camera 2  :-\ - but looks to me like Radisson is doing some more 'hunkering' - & she's all fluffed up!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 16:21
and here is the snow. It does not look as much as we got at my place.
Where has spring gone???

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bccs April 27, 2009, 16:37
Oh Bev thanks for the pictures.
I log on to the cam but all I ever get is stills - no live streaming.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 17:00
We have 30 second refresh.
 I am hoping they will make it 10 to 15 second refresh.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 19:13
She is going to wear herself out. In and out and out and in ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bccs April 27, 2009, 19:32
In and out and out and in ;D ;D
Mama's got a squeeze box, daddy never sleeps at night!!!!
An oldie but a goodie, let's see who can relate ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 27, 2009, 19:33
For now I can still see the raven egg, and no others.  
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 27, 2009, 19:34
Well the kids don't eat
And the dog can't sleep
There's no escape from the music
In the whole damn street
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 27, 2009, 20:13
shift change, with screeching! 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 27, 2009, 23:08
she kept coming back until 9:15pm. Looking good
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 28, 2009, 06:01
At 4:58 am Edmonton time Radisson is in the box.  Looks like she may have spent the night  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 28, 2009, 06:31
Two birds at the box.  Hopefully mom and dad.

I think that the male came to see Radisson and now they are both gone.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 28, 2009, 09:28
RAdisson looking lovely this morning at 8:10

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 28, 2009, 10:13
Cam 2 is nice and clear this morning, Radisson is in the box just hanging  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 28, 2009, 14:10
Did Radisson finally decide to get rid of the Raven's egg?  All I see is a piece of turquoise shell.  Now what we need is one of those nice brownish eggs  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bcbird April 28, 2009, 16:12
That bit of shell might possibly be the top of the partially buried intact egg?
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 28, 2009, 16:17
I have to say that Radisson is one beautiful falcon, there's something about her I could watch her just perched there for hours. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: The Peregrine Chick April 28, 2009, 16:18
Its the same thing that makes Trey our rockstart even though Princess is a very attractive and memorable bird ... Ivy has it too.  Trey got it from T-Rex for sure.  Pop was more elusive but he seemed to have "it" too ....
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 28, 2009, 16:19
nice to see radisson so much today.
I agree that the egg is getting buried

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 28, 2009, 16:28
the way she sits sometimes you just want to hug her.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 28, 2009, 17:30
Bowing time in the box...6:29 pm EST..I love when they do that... :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 28, 2009, 18:14
Bowing time in the box...6:29 pm EST..I love when they do that... :P
Whoa, I saw that and love it too  ;D  And just now saw another P in the box, I think that it may have been the male. Very handsome bird.  And I can no longer see the raven's egg.  Either they buried it altogether or removed it.  Love the continuing good news here.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 28, 2009, 18:15
Is it me or has Radisson been standing there very still for an awfully long time??  Watching a movie maybe..hehe!  :D

Oh she heard me; didn't like the ending I guess  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 28, 2009, 19:05
As she gets close to laying eggs she will be here longer and longer

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 28, 2009, 19:13
Yes, it is just she was standing so still and not straight either, I actually thought the cam was frozen...she was stuck in mid pose...very cool actually!  Maybe she knows she's a little star like her papa and she's practicing her poses for paparazzi  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: JL April 28, 2009, 19:20
 8) Speaking of the starlette.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: allikat April 28, 2009, 20:09
Come on Radisson...We want eggs!  More more eggs means more falcons!  Woo Hoo!
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 29, 2009, 06:31
7:30 am EST and Radisson is on the perch outside surveying her kingdom! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 10:10
The male came in with a bite of prey and sat on outside perch facing in and then flew off. the female then flew out of box

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 29, 2009, 10:37
Great to see the photos and know that they have been around.  Thanks Bev.  I have been missing them all day.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 13:46
She has been in and out quite a bit and seemed quite upset for awhile.
I am under the weather so could not get down there.
she seems more relaxed now
A few shots of her squawking and really surveying the area.

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A few more on nest reply
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 13:48
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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 29, 2009, 19:15
That bit of shell might possibly be the top of the partially buried intact egg?
I think you're right, bcbird.  It seems to be disappearing a little bit at a time. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 29, 2009, 19:18
bev, hope you feel better soon!   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bccs April 29, 2009, 19:22
Great pictures Bev, get well real fast :)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: Liz April 29, 2009, 19:39
Is that dad?  It looks too small to be Radisson. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 19:42
I was watching  downstairs and ran quickly to get the bands becasue I thought it was the male.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 29, 2009, 19:47
Feel better soon Bev, perhaps a little bit of Irish Whiskey might help you get a good nights sleep  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 19:51
Thanks everyone.
Is it just me or the glare if the cam. the front part above beak is awfully white
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 29, 2009, 19:53
I think it's the cam, my view on cam 3 is awfully fuzzy and dim looking tonight.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 29, 2009, 19:55
It is just so white. Paranoia :) :) I am hallucinating. Maybe I better have the Irish whiskey  ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: carly April 30, 2009, 07:07
Radisson has been in the box or out on the perch for the past hour.  Current time here is 8:07 am EST.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 30, 2009, 07:36
Thanks everyone.
Is it just me or the glare if the cam. the front part above beak is awfully white
The bird there right now has been behaving the same as Radisson, same poses, but does have a large white patch at the top of her beak.  ??? I have noticed before that sometimes the white is barely noticible and other times is quite visible.  Haven't seen it so large before though. 
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 30, 2009, 08:39
here is a shot from just now.

I will keep checking, but for now back to bed

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: maggieblue April 30, 2009, 14:14
A little while ago Radisson and the male were in the nest box with their heads bowed.  A very short visit but reassuring. It appears that all is well.
: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 30, 2009, 15:12
They are in and out. and she :) :) is spending more and more time at the box

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: Re: U of Alberta - April 2009
: bev. April 30, 2009, 23:15
a few more shots of her in box

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: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 01, 2009, 06:16
7:15 am EST and Radisson is in the nestbox  :-*  A bit too dark still to look inside the box as it's early!!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 01, 2009, 10:21
She is in the box looking thoughtful, and is beautiful in the morning sunshine.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 11:15
I did inquire about getting the refresh cut down and let them know about  cam 2 that keeps fogging up.

I was basically told that we are lucky to have what we have period.  I tried. They say they are limited by the bandwidths of the website that hosts it and we are lucky to have this.  I understand about bandwidths from many other sites   but no one ever looks into a solution.
They said they will contact  their university contacts about the cam 2 but they doubt anything will be done as they do clean the lenses,from time to time.
I do not know what else to do because they are not open to any suggestions.

This has been ongoing and I cannot say it is a money issue  because I and a few others have offered our money support here.  I donated a whole wad the first year I started watching but.. We were promised sound and then no sound. We have given ideas, given pictures for their photo gallery    It was turned down. The others just gave up. Just not a priority here. This , by the way has nothing to do with the biologists.

So I guess I will just do what I do and keep the biologists informed as I always have.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 11:31
The female is spending a lot of time here. she left at about 9:15 last night.

I have seen her really looking around a lot. Could be the work they are doing on the heliport.

There are still 2 females at the Weber building. Still waiting  for the transmitter readings.  I was hoping TG had found a mate. One of the biologists e-mailed last night and TG was on one side last night and another really black capped female was the other. They did not think that it was the same one as before.

If I am feeling half decent tonight I will venture out and have a look around.

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: ballywing May 01, 2009, 12:56
Thanks for all your efforts re the cams Bev! Y 8)....ou can only do so much, I guess we ARE lucky to have what we have - but then we get spoiled by other sites (ie Elk River) and want to see & hear EVERYTHING!  ;D - I'm sure as the sites become more popular, they'll upgrade at some point. You're posting some great Pics!!!!!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 12:57
At about 11:30 the male comes to front perch with food. Female stays in nest box , then male leaves.  Female has a few words. Male  comes back and they are both on front perch, but he has no food. (missed that scape)Female leaves  and male stays on perch and then leaves.

Looking good. This has been happening for last few days. I remember that is how the male does it here. He brings food and then takes it where she can eat it and then comes back to box.  Pa did that at deMOrtel also. Everyone was wondering where he went with the food.

I mad a small sideshow so as not to take up space. Just click on the picture.
the last 2 shots are of the male . You can see how his chest differs form the female.  

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 01, 2009, 13:35
Nice to see and read that things are going so well here.  8) Thanks so much for the slideshow and I hope that you are feeling better.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 01, 2009, 16:14
This has been ongoing and I cannot say it is a money issue  because I and a few others have offered our money support here.  I donated a whole wad the first year I started watching but.. We were promised sound and then no sound. We have given ideas, given pictures for their photo gallery    It was turned down. The others just gave up.

Don't give up heart Bev, things change and webcams are very very popular right now and someone at U of A might yet decide to pick up the torch and run with it.  Webcams are however brutally expensive to run - that's just the actually watching the picture part.  The rest of it - the blogs, forums, galleries are a full time occupation which for most of us means long hours nights & weekends as we all have day jobs.  And that is before the actual hands-on project work.  The Maine webcam has a fundraising drive on their website now (65K this year) to support their webcam, though I think perhaps that that is only part of the actual cost to operate the webcam.  I don't remember if they have additional details on costs, but if you are interested, check out their site.  (Okay, now here is the shameless promotion part  :-[) If you are shocked by the amount and want to ensure Trey & Princess remain online - Click here. (http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/board,20.0.html)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 01, 2009, 19:57
Our beauty is sitting on her perch tonight...I think she may be dozing and looking fierce while doing it  :P

She is inside the box now, wonder if she might lay an egg?  She's looking awfully lethargic or she just had a rough day  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 20:20
I was thinking the same thing the last few days.

what do you think TPC. You think we are close to eggs. I am going to be watching carefully.

I have a few more pictures to post later.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 01, 2009, 20:26
Took almost a month before Trey & Princess laid their first egg this year.  It will take a minimum of 2 weeks after the onset of successful copulation so better to err on the side of 3 weeks.  What date did she first arrive back?  Did the male arrive at the same time?  Anyone note when copulation was first observed?  If we have any/all this information, we could make a better guess-timate.

Not much help I know .... :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 01, 2009, 20:31
April 9th and 10th are the dates of arrival.  When I start mixing Radisson and Trey up - I know it's bed time..lol!

Don't know about the fooling around, only bev has seen that  :-\  But I'd say it's almost time!!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 01, 2009, 20:58
Guess she was just having a little nap, she's gone now.  Speaking of naps...this old bird is going for one now!  Have a good night everyone!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 21:33
Female came back   April10 and the male on april11

 Now because of the raven thing, they could have been copulating elsewhere.
so they went into nest for first time  Monday  April 20.  So I am guessing there was copulation before I saw it.
Her stance and everything now is nest box is same as when she laid here first egg last year.  Well I think she was crouched a bit more but she was  facing a different direction . Maybe practicing for the real deal.
I have to go out tomorrow morning but I am going into watch mode just in case

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 01, 2009, 22:34
Still in the same position looking intense. Rats! it's too dark to watch anymore. I hope there is an egg in the morning.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 01, 2009, 23:14
This is the first time she is spending the night  Wahoo the biologists told me last year that when she starts spending the night we are getting close. :) :) :)

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 02, 2009, 01:13
I think you're right. She's still there looking out of the box.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 02, 2009, 06:09
Radisson and mate in the nestbox this morning at 7:09 am EST - bowing  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 02, 2009, 09:51
8:44
Radisson in nest box . :) :)sniffing around like they do. I have asked why but no one seems to know .That would be a Froona question.

I have an appointment this morning but hopefully will be able to swing over on my way back.

She is sitting down at right back

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 02, 2009, 14:44
Just got back form the site. the female and male both in attendance.
When we got there the male was on the tower of his building and I could not see the female.  I am thinking now that she could have been eating.

then I saw and heard a falcon go onto front ledge of box. It was the female . She then made her way over to the west corner of heart building(adjacent to nest box.) after a bit she seemed a bit agitated but I could see nothing.  she then flew to  the tower right above the nest box.

The male  snuck into the nest box when we were not looking and the female flew off the  tower and around the top of heart building and then into the nest box. They seem to have to maneuver differently with that white structure beside nest box.
We had Peters work laptop with us so we could see them both in the box. The male then flew out and perched on the light on west corner of heart building.  The female remained crouched in the box for about 45 minutes.

They are never far away, I am seeing when I go down there now. So if you do not see them at least one is there.

I am outside but the laptop is there while we are doing the yard.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: ballywing May 02, 2009, 16:36
Is the 'female' not Radisson, or are we not sure anymore?  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 02, 2009, 17:21
Yes, the female is Radisson.

 Sorry. On some sites they only allow you to post male and female and so I forget sometimes. :-[ :-[
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 02, 2009, 19:23
A nice shot this  late afternoon

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 02, 2009, 20:32
What is she looking at  ??? ???  Her head is crained right up.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 02, 2009, 20:38
In and out fast, still looking up. Could it be people working on that helipad thingie  ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 02, 2009, 21:21
Whew she's back, but looking back up again and looking a bit disheveled...see some feathers out of place there.  And right back out again...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 02, 2009, 21:31
And back again..  Ok Radisson stop looking up and worrying me, it's past my bedtime and I need to see you tucked in safely  :P

arrrrgg out again...she better be playing tag with the male!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 02, 2009, 22:55
Still not back.  Maybe she just tucked in at one of her usual spots. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 00:02
Peter   and went down after 6:30pm again and did not get back until 9:30pm
We went down because of a weird picture on my screen. It all started off with dad bringing in a bite.

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I thought , what the heck. Did mom come out and knock dad off the perch. Did someone come in and attack him.  Was it just the cam change . With the cams all at different times and the 30 second delay, I did not know what to think .  Radisson kept looking up and then down and over to the side.  So off we went.

When we got there we saw 2 falcons flying toward dads building and then one flew out south and the other, I believe Radisson, circled around the top of dads building and then went to the nest box and then back over around dads building and then out north. She seemed out of sorts.

We were very confused. I was not sure what to make of it all. Were we just paranoid.????Maybe!!!!!

Anyhow after awhile RAdisson  came back and went to the box and was out on the perch.(She was chupping) Then a falcon(I believe dad) circled over the nest box area with Radisson chu pping away.

 Dad went up on his tower and then Radisson flew over to the corner of her building (College plaza) and echupped again and again. She seemed very agitated .  Then she went back to the nest box and then out and flew around again and then went on the west corner of the Heart building. (adjacent to nest box) All  this time the male is still on his tower. she is very vocal.
Then he flew off and soared over to where Radisson was. Yup, they copulated right in front of us :o :o :o  that is what she wanted. ;) ;) ::) ::) Next the male (well we later realized it was Radisson) flew onto perch of nest box and then went in nest box. We had Peters computer with us and that is how we realized it was Radissson. They must have played a quick switch-a-roo from top to bottom. :) :) ;) ;) Dad stayed on the heart building and Radisson went over to the corner of her building and then up on her tower.

We then left and checked out Weber building and there were 2 females on the building. TG on one side and and other female on the other side. When I went to  take a picture the other female disappeared.  I say female because the biologist says it is one. I would not know. (another falcon)
WE had to go back to site as when I went to take a picture at Weber building I realized that I left the camera at the site.

So when we got there , DAd was on his tower, and Radisson was on the south corner of his building. We saw him turn in for the night but at 9:30 she was still on the corner and it was getting dark. so I guess no nest box tonight.
so what happened tonihgt is anyone's guess.
I will post a slide show in the nest frame and maybe you can figure out what happened.



: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 00:15
here is a slide show of what happened. I wish I had been more on the ball and snapped each cam but I was so baffled.

so I will be watching closely at times tomorrow to make sure male is the same. I am sure it is and I think maybe greedy mom :o :o came out quickly and dad either fell of or flew off and dropped food. Looking at it now I think that is what happened. If you notice mom has a bit in her mouth. 
click on picture for slide show.

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: kittenface May 03, 2009, 00:17
Someone is in the nest right now

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 00:25
So Carly, when you said she had a few feathers out of place that is because she was being naughty with dad ;) ;)
And she kept going in and out because I guess she was tired of waiting for dad to make his move. ;D ;D

she  was vocal enough , that is for sure.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 00:27
I was just going to look Kitten face.  Thanks :-* :-*
That  will be mom . She must have stayed on that corner until now. I will watch for a bit.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 07:04
Thank you for the photos and the reports.  I slept in because I was up late worrying..lol..boy I guess when Radisson wants her dinner..she wants it now  :P

8:04 am EST and no sign of anyone at the moment.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 07:33
8:32 am EST and Radisson is in the house..feathers blowing in the wind  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 03, 2009, 07:35
I don't know if Radisson spent the night or not but she was at the nestbox at dawn, shortly after 5 Edmonton time.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 03, 2009, 08:02
Someone is sitting on top of that white tower preening in the morning sunshine.  I haven't seen them sitting there before.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 09:26
Was that Radisson and dad just now or did I just see her reflection?  Thought I saw 2 bowing.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 10:09
Both adults present and bowing  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 12:13
1:12 pm EST and radisson seems to be sitting calmly and relaxing in her nestbox.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 12:58
I caught this shot just before church

Still trying to check males bands


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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 13:05
Just missed the 2 in the box. Saw the tail end and could not get a shot.
both gone now.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 03, 2009, 13:17
I just saw the end of that nestbox visit too. 
Does the male have an all black band on his right leg? And, if so, what does that mean?  Were the male's bands read last year and is there a history on him?
Every time Radisson sits in the box for a while I wonder if she will leave a little something behind  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 14:36
He has a  black band on his left leg I believe. I guess it depends how you are looking at him. One band is silver an done is black. He is the resident male. I just want to make sure it is still him. He has been here for awhile and was born in Edmonton.
Band is O/Y
He is so hard to get a reading.
I will have more time tomorrow to just sit here
It is easier to catch him when she lays an egg.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 03, 2009, 15:13
He has a  black band on his left leg I believe. I guess it depends how you are looking at him. One band is silver an done is black. He is the resident male. I just want to make sure it is still him. He has been here for awhile and was born in Edmonton.
Band is O/Y
Thanks Bev.  I will try to get a better look the next time that he is around.  Nice to know that he was born in Edmonton.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 03, 2009, 15:13
I love when she stands on the ledge and preens  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 16:57
I have been watchng for the last half hour . It started with them male coming in  the box and then
when he left RAdisson is looking all over again. I do not know what is up and do not know if I can make it down again.   maybe nothing. Maybe the male is flying around but I cannot figure out what she is yelling at below.
 
I got all my pictures mixed up but I will make a slide show the best I can I really look all over  when I ma there so I know what she would be yelling at but I am stumped here.

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 03, 2009, 21:48
Look at that beautiful puffed-up breast! 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 03, 2009, 23:08
Yup, she is gorgeous.

I think she is  there for the night again.
One last shot. I call this the Thinker ;D ;D

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 04, 2009, 00:07
Amazing, bev.  Exactly!   :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 04, 2009, 00:52
Peaceful scene with Radisson at the nestbox tonight.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 04, 2009, 04:49
5:47 am EST and Radisson is in the nestbox this morning.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 04, 2009, 06:57
7:56 am est and I think we have 1st egg!!!  I think, it looks funny.  Could be the light but looks like it's got a big eye or something  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: CeeBee May 04, 2009, 07:20
Is it an egg with a bit of down on it?  Exciting anyway!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 04, 2009, 07:25
Not sure what it is on there, but it's definitely an egg...!!  We are on our way!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 04, 2009, 07:41
Great news that there is an egg and hopefully more on the way.  ;D  Radisson is back in there with her egg, and looking pleased. The egg is very unusual looking with that big white oval on it. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 07:43
We do have an egg and I am about to e-mail biologists now.
Weather here is  miserable today. Poor dear is tired

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 04, 2009, 08:12
Maybe it was wet as now the mark is gone and the egg is beautiful :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 08:18
I have a better picture of egg now and the male came with a bite and then left and then Radisson left.
She was just sitting above egg which is good.

This egg was taken by Beth  from BCAW and then one of Radisson
I will post more in nest frame.
Egg looks better now

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 08:25
So egg was sometime before 5:57am  :-* :-* :-* :-*
A shot of egg alone by me and the male coming in a few of Radison .Out of order as I was excited :) :)

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 09:46
this a picture of Carly's  from early this morning.

good one Carly.  that is why is is good we are in different time zones. Can see different things when some of us are asleep :-*

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 11:36
Another slide show from the mornings events(13 picutres I think)
click on picture.
Dad has made  visited but he has not incubated as far as I know.
Radisson is just sitting in front of egg for most part which is good. Last year they incubated hard after first egg and that was not good.

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Elaine L May 04, 2009, 11:50
Looks to me like there is another egg in the nest.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: ballywing May 04, 2009, 12:15
Just 1 egg so far - looks like it's a funny shape ??? - maybe just the way the light's hitting it.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 12:45
the shape is O.K. The color is different (some white on it) but that is how her eggs were last year too.
there is still the raven egg.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 04, 2009, 12:46
Looks to me like there is another egg in the nest.

The raven egg is still there, it was buried for awhile but seems to have re-emerged.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 12:47
Radisson has been in and out and the male has checked in on her 3 times that I saw.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 04, 2009, 13:13
Just had a look at the egg, does look odd, I'll be interested to see if that white ring (or at least that's how it looks to me) stays or "rubs" off.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 16:07
the shape of the egg is O.K. and I was reading from Froonas notes and there are all different sorts of colors of eggs and some are mottled. It only looks like this on one side, if you look at one of my shots form earlier

Her first egg last year looked different also

Here is todays after a roll

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 04, 2009, 19:29
I'm so excited..Finally, we have an egg!  Congratulations Radisson & her man (male to be named later) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 04, 2009, 19:40
Yes, I will name male as soon as I positively ID him :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Alison May 04, 2009, 19:44
Congratulations to Radisson and her mate on their first egg!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 00:09
And Radisson comes to nest box at 9:50pm to spend night. She sits by egg for quite a bit and then sits by entrance to box :) :) :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 07:14
Radissson must be out for breakfast. you can see that egg has been turned :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 07:40
6:37am
Adult has returned. I am thinking the male.
Still trying to get bands. :-\ :-\


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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 07:43
A few more shots. I saw egg was rolled and then he/she lay on it and now is half sitting half laying, but egg is covered. Adult has head tucked in behind and is sleeping

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 13:46
Radisson has been spending time incubating off and on. I think we should expect another egg by tomorrow morning.
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 05, 2009, 16:23
Really nice slideshow Bev, love the details you added - very spring like  :D.  I was so busy at work today that every time I checked all I saw was lone egg until I got home now and Radisson was there on her egg but now she's gone out  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 05, 2009, 18:42
Bev...I love how you did the slideshow!
I sense there are more eggs to come  :D
Does anyone know what the white ring on the egg is?  (ahem, I feel the name "ringer" happening  ::))
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Loriann May 05, 2009, 19:01
I don't know about Peregrines, but if that was a brown chicken egg, the farmer would be checking for bronchitis   ( the chicken variety).  I don't know if Peregrines can get it too.   Egg shell color is caused by pigment deposition during egg formation in the oviduct, so maybe its just unique to this bird if she's had funny tattoos on her eggs before. 
maybe she's just a show-off !  lol   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 05, 2009, 19:08
It seems the raven egg has been removed altogether. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 05, 2009, 19:20
Aha..I may have figured it out -well kinda- thanks to wikepedia and several other sources on the web...the egg shells are made of calcium carbonate (the white) and the pigment (the red) is called protoporphyrin and apparently strengthens the eggs.  They say the eggs can be white to red to brownish depending on the bird and some do have characteristic patterns.

Very nice explanation here:

http://www.wqed.org/birdblog/peregrine-faqs/question-why-are-the-eggs-red/
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 05, 2009, 20:27
So glad there's always someone with an answer! :D    We can learn SO much on this site. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 05, 2009, 20:41
I love this forum!!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 05, 2009, 23:20
Peter and I went down this evening just so I could check on where they have sitting when we do not see them.

I think some of you may have figured out that I am not sure about the male yet.  Some things seem different and some feel the same so I am still waiting to get a good band check and he is not being cooperative.
When we got there  Radisson was sitting on  one of the bars on the heart building , adjacent to nest box.  The male was not in  sight.

Then  Radisson flew over Peters head(I had to go else where) and around the area and then   across to the nest box and sat on the outside perch looking in. 

Low and behold we heard that fabulous echupping.     In came the male. A food delivery. He deposited the top of a tower  below the roof  below  the nest box(to the far right).
 Radisson immediately flew down and claimed her meal. The male then flew on the bar of the Heart building.
 There were feathers flying everywhere as Radisson defeathered her prey. Some flew in our direction.
then the male flew over to one of the towers on the building that I call RAdissons. College plaza.

When RAdisson was finished she flew over our heads and then flew across to heart building on one of the bars.
that is where we left them.
Maybe and egg tomorrow.

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 05:07
6:00 am EST and Radisson is outside on her perch.  Too dark yet to see if the egg has a sibling  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 06:37
7:36 am EST and just arrived at office.  Only one egg still however Radisson just came in and is now sitting on the egg so perhaps #2 is on the way shortly  ;)  She is also looking drowsy  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 07:21
last year second egg came 3 days later so I guess it is a wait and see. :-*

Last night I was tired but my report left out that he deposited food on the tower :-[ :-[
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: kittenface May 06, 2009, 10:27
Maybe she's laying # 2 right now ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 10:35
She certainly is in a lot this morning. And she is crouching and changing positions and trying to shade the egg already there

the male came for a visit

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 10:46
Nothing like peer pressure when you're trying to lay an egg  :P

Woohoo dad's look worked, we have a sibling egg...go Radisson!! :P :P :P ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 10:48
Egg #2 9:46
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: JL May 06, 2009, 10:48
 ;D I see 2 eggs.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 10:49
Love her expression right now...'are you happy, I've done it ..now go away'...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 10:51
I was working on a slide show Will post it since it is ready and then the eggs :) :)

positions of Radisson and dads visit click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 10:58
I hope the time is right.
these are not in order . Dad should be back soon

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 06, 2009, 11:12
last year second egg came 3 days later so I guess it is a wait and see. :-*

Three days later is why only one egg hatched last year - that and Radisson's youth.  It is better if all the eggs are laid within a 5 day period - one, two, three at no more than 48 hour intervals, fourth usually within 24 hours after third egg as the adults will start incubating after penultimate ("next to last) egg is laid - so four eggs total, incubating starts after three and four is laid shortly there after so that all the eggs are incubated for the same length of time.  Three eggs, egg two would be penultimate, etc.  Colder weather may make the adults begin incubating at egg two of four but "hard" incubation will begin at three.  Egg two may have been a bit long but this pair will probably do better this year than last so think happy thoughts everyone  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 11:36
Thanks TPC.

Well she was only 5 hours late.  Not bad.

If you remember last year,  the male went into hard incubation right after egg number one was laid and the biologists were worried about that.
 
I have been reading a lot of Froonas notes and probably the male was more that ready to start incubating  last year  because  Radisson was his second mate and he had already been copulating for over 2 weeks with Miss Balzac. She was not far from eggs. So this probably threw him way out of whack as far as hormones go. Froona"s notes explain this all very well.
I am just waiting for the male to turn up again and then I better get some stuff done.


Here is just the nicest picture.

You all know how I feel about my TG girl, but this picture just does my heart good. She is a beauty. :-* :-*

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Elaine L May 06, 2009, 11:43
Wish I could see your pictures, Bev.  They don't make it through the firewall/security here at work.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 12:27


Sorry Eli.

The male came to check at 11:02am and then left but he was back at 11:10 with a bite to eat. with the 30 second refresh I loose a lot . I lost the picture of the snack he had but he then went on the inside lip and I think he fed Radisson.  :-* :-*
I have a slide show. When you see Radisson with her mouth open , that is when he comes back with food
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 14:11
A few closeups of Male . the bands still elude me
these are clickables so I do not take up too much space
so click on picture for bigger

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 06, 2009, 14:22
Great pictures Bev  ;D  I went out to do some gardening and missed all of the excitement.  Radisson looks pretty pleased with herself. :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 16:13
15:12
the male has been really good at taking turns.  But just now something sure has her riled and  the male  was on the perch. She flew in and went into a rage. I hope it is hormones and nothing else.
I will post pictures later
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 16:42
Oh I missed that, I'm running up and down doing laundry.  Hope everything is ok. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 17:06
The male is in the box and now on the perch.
i am sure this is last years male, but still have to get bands.

I am waiting to see Radisson come back. If I do not see her in a bit I will go down but I really do not have time today. here is the males head shot. Looks the same as last year

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 06, 2009, 18:06
Radisson is back looking quite disheveled again...they must have been..errr...working on egg #3... :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 06, 2009, 19:03
Yippee -- another egg!   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 06, 2009, 19:20
It is pouring rain here.  we also had hail.

18:19 -the male is incubating . I imagine Radisson has gone to eat and freshen up up :) :) ;) ;)

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 06, 2009, 22:16
I couldn't see the rain, bev.  I checked a few times.  I hope that means it wasn;t too bad. 

It looks like Radisson on the eggs right now.  They seem to have the opposite white marks on the cheek?  One, the dark (grey) goes into the cheek; and the other, the white from the cheek sweeps up.  Or am I mixing up my pics?!) 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 00:05
The male has a pointier and more orange beak(is that  what  you call it) His head is a bit blacker also. I It is  really hard to tell sometimes. The  rains topped sooner at the nest site than here. We are only 20 minutes away from the site and our rain just stopped shortly.
At 20:48- Radisson finally came back in.
the male is doing a good job of taking his turns.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 07, 2009, 06:37
7:36 am EST and Radisson is dozing on her precious cargo this morning  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 11:44
10:43
Still two eggs and I believe dad has just arrived with a snack, the way she is acting and is now away.

Click on link. I posted wrong kind of show :-[

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 19:13
17:50
Male was on eggs and now on inside lip facing out
they have been sharing the duties of attending eggs but they are careful no incubate too much.
there are times when the box is empty but from going down there I know one or both is not very far away.
the slide show shows the male in the box incubating and then the male is in the box sniffing around the eggs and the female is outside.

I have not been watching all day ;) ;)but I think the male did more than his share of the duties

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 19:17
I notice the first sideshow did not work . I will repost it :-[

I do not know what happened as it worked when I tried it out after I posted it

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bccs May 07, 2009, 19:21
Thanks for the s/s Bev. Where did you learn how to do that?
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 20:14
I will answer this is how to thread in a bit.

Radisson is incubating right now. head tucked into back
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 07, 2009, 20:23
I'm surprised they are incubating already...are there more than two eggs?  Or is this normal?  I'm sorry if this seems like a really stupid question/comment.  Just thought that they start incubating after a full clutch is laid.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 07, 2009, 22:05
No question is stupid.   :)

I believe the hard (serious) incubating starts at 3 eggs.  But they do sit on the eggs to keep them warm/dry when the air is cold/wet/wind etc weather related.  Plus, just to keep them warm-ish in the slow cooker/pot crock before all the sibs show up!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 07, 2009, 23:18
Hi allikat.
They have not been hard incubatng.There have been several times that they have not been on the eggs for over 2 hours at a time. this is normal.
She will probably lay3 to 4 eggs this year.
since it is cool here at night they have to keep the eggs at at least 4  degrees celsius.
TPC said that they go into harder incubating the egg before the last to be laid ,usually.

So as Liz said ,no question is a stupid question.
I have just learned a lot of this over the years of watching and from A lady called Froona.
A question not asked is one not answered :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 08, 2009, 04:57
5:55 am EST time and Radisson is in the nestbox.  Too dark to see on cam 2 as of yet but she's not hunkered down on the eggs, more like she's sitting upright..maybe getting ready for egg #3  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 07:50
8:49am
looks like still 2.  I am out for a few hours so hopefully 3 when I get back :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 09:48
8:47am
Radisson is back so hopefully ths is the time. I hope she hurries as I have to go again.
If anyone sees her lay the egg and I am not around could you please denote the time . A picture would be nice also.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 08, 2009, 10:34
No question is stupid.   :)

I believe the hard (serious) incubating starts at 3 eggs.  But they do sit on the eggs to keep them warm/dry when the air is cold/wet/wind etc weather related.  Plus, just to keep them warm-ish in the slow cooker/pot crock before all the sibs show up!  ;D

Quite right Liz & Bev, no question is a stupid question.  And Liz, nice simple explanation  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 11:58
10:56am
I thought shortly after 9 but ;)
then She is back now and I am thinking,maybe.
I am worse than an expectant mom. :) :)
she sure is going through the moves
Needs the male to come in again. :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 12:12
11:02
and she is gone again.

Maybe she needs a big pigeon feast first :) :)
I call this slideshow False labor ;D ;D
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 08, 2009, 12:19
11:02
I call this slideshow False labor ;D ;D

LOL  :P

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bccs May 08, 2009, 12:29
great show and fabulous caption Bev   lol
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 13:30
12:06pm
Dad was in incubating and then left

12:16pm
Radisson came in and is laying down. 
come on , you can do it.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 08, 2009, 14:03
She's in position....
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 14:18
13:15
she is sure trying. and push.

she j ust looked out to where the male probably is and said.You come and try ;D ;D

Yes we have 3 at 1:17pm
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 08, 2009, 14:20
Go Radisson!!!  I'm so proud of her!!  Good job!!  I was waiting to leave the office until she laid her egg..lol...now I can go buy food and go home!!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bccs May 08, 2009, 14:25
Damn, missed it by seconds, but fantastic news ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 14:33
I have been waiting to dry my hair. I look like I just gave birth ;D ;D
Here is a 3 picture show of the process.

At 13:04 she was stooped , then she looked up(dad must have flown over) and then  she raised her bum up a bit and then when she bent to look I knew it was here . and then she shows us

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/th_edmontonmay8-27-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/?action=view&current=8f46be5d.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bccs May 08, 2009, 14:36
kind of like passing a bowling ball for the poor little girl. Nature.....need I say more :) :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 14:56
She finally gave us a better look

she is incubating now and need s the rest.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay8-36-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 08, 2009, 17:57
Plus, just to keep them warm-ish in the slow cooker/pot crock before all the sibs show up!  ;D
LOL, I meant crockpot, not potcrock!   

Yippee for three eggs!  Way to go, Girl! 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: CeeBee May 08, 2009, 18:33
Thanks so much for the pictures Bev.  I can't see the pictures at work and have been wondering about the eggs all day!  They are beautiful.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 08, 2009, 20:06
Hopefully one more on Mothers day.  boy , I better start training now.

The male and female have been incubating but right now just in fornt. they do not want to poach them ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 08, 2009, 20:26
I can't believe I missed it...I have the worst timing!  Congrats on egg #3...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bccs May 08, 2009, 21:30
Looks like Radisson is starting some serious incubating..Yaahoo
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 09, 2009, 09:23
8:23am
Radisson is incubating.
cool here today. Hopefully it warms up by tomorrow
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 09, 2009, 10:01
8:58am
Up and turned the eggs
Nice shot of Radisson making sure eggs not too warm

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay9-1-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 10, 2009, 08:28
7:24am
 male incubating  Still 3 eggs although Radisson did sow some stooping behavior last night.



She could have just been cooling the eggs a bit??

Getting ready for  church so If you happen to see another  egg please note time and if you are able to take a picture please do. thanks.

Happy Mothers Day Radisson :)

7:39am

male  leave and now Radisson is incubating
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 10, 2009, 09:41
Haven't been able to see the eggs but Radison was crouched for a long time and then moved at about 8:32 Edmonton time and was looking underneath her.  So Bev, if there are 4 eggs thay may be the time of the big event. :D  Now she is shading the eggs. Hope it is number 4 on Mother's Day.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 10, 2009, 09:49
I watched her this morning and she finally got up and there are still 3 eggs...sorry meant to post it earlier but made my mum a Mother's Day Brekkie so forgot ..but better to forget the egg count than mom... ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 10, 2009, 13:20
I watched her this morning and she finally got up and there are still 3 eggs...sorry meant to post it earlier but made my mum a Mother's Day Brekkie so forgot ..but better to forget the egg count than mom... ;D
Definitely true Carly  ;D Moms come first.
I think that strange refresh phenonmenon is happening where different people see different images depending on when they logged on.  ::) I thought that I had watched every image and hadn't seen the eggs.  And I remember the morning that I saw the falcon fly by at the nest box (raven inside) on camera one and you didn't see it.  At least we have 3 different views to watch which is very much better than no views at all.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 10, 2009, 14:00
11:57 male incubating

12:57- male incubating

I am in and out
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 10, 2009, 15:31
14:30
Radisson just came in to incubate.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 10, 2009, 16:04
4:00 pm CDT - still just three eggs. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 10, 2009, 16:30
15:11
Radisson in incubating

15:30
she got up and stooped over eggs but then down again.No cigars yet ;) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 10, 2009, 18:15
Nice way to wind up the Phanatics since y'all won't have chick-cigars to hand out until June!!  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 10, 2009, 18:19
(I wanted to say, 6:18 CDT and still 3, but I'd better not!) 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 10, 2009, 18:49
I've had a chance to re-read, TPC.  You're right -- three eggs are amazing, and this is only her second year.  To want her to take care of four is selfish.  She was so cute with one last year, I can't wait to see her with more than one, and prob three is more than she needs!   :D 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 10, 2009, 22:29
Are we in serious incubation now?  I went online early this afternoon and didn't see any falcon for awhile so wasn't sure if perhaps we were gonna get one more egg?
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 10, 2009, 22:36
21:35
I still think there is one more to come, by her actions, but that is me.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 10, 2009, 22:40
I wasnt' sure when I saw today..I guess we will just have to wait and see! 

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 10, 2009, 23:05
Are we in serious incubation now?  I went online early this afternoon and didn't see any falcon for awhile so wasn't sure if perhaps we were gonna get one more egg?

Even if there is another egg on the way, hard incubation should be started by now - she has three eggs.  Don't know what the temperatures are like right now in Edmonton, I know that if its warm/sunny & warm in the box, adults will spend time off the eggs.  Madame, Trey's Mom, used to get off for up to 1 hours on hot sunny days.  She'd sit on the edge of the box, inches away from the eggs all the time.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 06:46
We had a nice afternoon yesterday and it is to be warm tonight and then the cold rain, and snow set in again.

They have been sharing the incubation duties and are not off them that long from what I have observed.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: JL May 11, 2009, 09:31
There's the forth egg.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 11, 2009, 09:32
Radisson just moved and there are four eggs  :o  When did that happen  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 09:35
8:31am
We have 4 eggs :) :)
I went to work out and jsut got home so it was sometime between 23:00 on May 10 and 8:30 on May 11

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay11-3-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 11, 2009, 09:38
Wonderful picture Bev  ;D  I bet you have a big grin on your face.  ;D
Way to go Radisson  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 09:45
She was trying so hard yesterday between 17:00  and 23:00  and I thought she would have it wither really late last night or early this morning . Because she has been incubating I think early this morning abut it would be fitting if it had been on Mothers Day
So TPC , First hatch earliest  around June10????Not sure how you figure that out properly.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 11, 2009, 10:08
Woohoo..go Radisson go!! 

Usually you count approximately 30 days from the start of hard incubation of the penultimate egg - usually the third egg laid but depends on how many they lay I believe...if it's 5 then I think 4 would the penultimate??  TPC??
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 11, 2009, 11:18
Penultimate is usually third egg with a 4-5 clutch, though some birds will wait until 4 in a 5 egg clutch.  In colder climates (and I daresay colder years) incubation can start after the first or second egg. 

30 days from the start of incubation is a standard start date for watching for hatching.  The range used to be 28-29 days, but it has been revised to 33-35 with a mean of 33.5.  Having said that, Madame used to hatch them out at 28 days more years than not whereas Princess and Trey last year I believe they were at 37 days when their eggs started hatching. 

So the short answer is, because of the range in incubation period length and because a pair may begin incubating earlier/later depending on other variables, count 30 days from the third egg (or last if nest less than 3) and you usually won't miss a hatch date.

Third egg was laid on May 8th so thirty days takes you/us to June 7th.  Folks should be sure to dial up a couple of days early just in case though ....
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 11, 2009, 13:21
2:20 pm EST egg and mom check; mom seems to have flown off to the spa after her labour and eggs are home alone  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 13:37
thanks TPC

12:36
RAdisson is back she never ventures far. she usually does a fly around once and then goes on light on heart  building or on ledge on Nest building

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 15:47
14:46
They are doing a great job of sharing duties again.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 11, 2009, 16:07
Bev or Eli have probably mentionned this somewhere else on this thread in which case I apologize for the duplication.  The male at the U of A campus is an Edmonton wild-hatched male from 2002 - so he's seven years old.  Band number is black (wild hatched bird) O over Y. 

Don't know if he is the same male as last year but have asked for some family tree information on him but considering this is the busy season, I don't expect to get anything for awhile.  When I do however, I will post it here.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 11, 2009, 19:51
I am almost 99.9% sure it is the same male. I have been trying to get his bands. almost had a read the other day but very blurry.

He has been a very good male for this site.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 11, 2009, 21:40
Good to know its probably the male from last year, always good to have both birds return when the female is so young.  And I got the band number from the Alberta biologists so it sounds like they have confirmed his identity for the year but I would be very interested in an image of the band number if you manage to get it on one of your very nice cam screen captures!  Good luck!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 09:28
I will keep trying. the day I thought I had a good shot there was a glare. I was glad that he returned also as he is a very good provider. That is why they have fostered so many chicks and fleglings in here.

8:24
so funny , male is incubating and the female was on the outside perch looking in since 8:09 and then just left.
Male did not seem to want to move ;D ;D He will change his mind when the kids come ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 11:42
 10:42
These 2 continue to incubate. :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 15:52
14:51
Radisson incubating.
it is snowing in St. Albert but looks dry so far at site
to get below zero for the next 2 nights. ??? ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 12, 2009, 16:42
Sub-zero temps won't hurt the eggs, might slow them down a bit, but won't hurt them.  Heating blanks are what Radisson and "Old Yeller" are there for ...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 12, 2009, 18:50
Is spring EVER going to make an appearance? 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 18:52
"Old Yeller"?  Does that mean he gets shot at the end of the story?  eww (Sorry kids)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 12, 2009, 18:55
Is spring EVER going to make an appearance? 

I think we're going to go straight from winter into humid and sticky here in Toronto.  I remember several years ago we had a crappy, cold spring like this and then in June it was suddenly 100 degrees and we were all complaining from the heat.  I miss the days when we had 4 seasons  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 18:59
Ah yes, the summer the power went off for days...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 12, 2009, 19:04
"Old Yeller"?  Does that mean he gets shot at the end of the story?  eww (Sorry kids)

Naw, his band number is O/Y and that's the name that popped into my head.  I'm sure Bev and the Edmonton gang will come up with a better one in the near future!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 19:16
I am still thinking Damon or DAemyn.  does anyone have any objections.  the biologists here do not believe in naming but I can.
It means faithful, loyal, constant.
Is this a good male falcons name?????
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: msdolittle May 12, 2009, 19:25
I like Damon .... sounds like a good name.  I find it easier to keep all the birds straight if they have names
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 12, 2009, 19:34
Very nice name Bev and more so because of the meaning of it and it's a perfectly good name for a falcon dad  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 19:43
I find it easier to keep all the birds straight if they have names
Me too; I need names. 
Very nice name Bev and more so because of the meaning of it and it's a perfectly good name for a falcon dad  :)
ditto
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 12, 2009, 19:56
Great name Bev...Perfect!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 20:16
O.K. then, the official name for our male is Damon.

all the other good names I thought of were taken by other falcons.
Introducing Damon
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay7-12-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay78-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 20:19
Welcome, handsome!   ;) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 12, 2009, 20:22
Radisson and Damon, I like it, has a nice ring to it!  Here's to a full nestbox of chicks this year...cheers  :D

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 20:27
Hey yeah, it does have a nice ring to it!  I didn't even try them together  :-[.  cool!  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 12, 2009, 20:28
Here's to Radisson and Damon to having a nestbox of cute chicks, to awkward chicks, to beautiful brown juvies, to successful fledges to the future of peregrines!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 20:30
Who's on the nest now?  It looks like Damon to me (smaller) but maybe it's just the angle. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 12, 2009, 20:43
I have had trouble with pho to bucket all day so I hope this works. Just a few shots from the last 2 days

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/th_edmonontmay10-16-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/?action=view&current=5111e8b3.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 12, 2009, 20:49
Great Bev!!!  Love the snow flake effect! 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 12, 2009, 21:05
Great Bev!!!  Love the snow flake effect! 

Be careful with animated effects like snow, its a case of "be careful what you wish for" ...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 12, 2009, 21:21
You're right TPC...liked the "look" of the effects added.  I wish for sunshine, no wind and perfect weather!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 12, 2009, 21:43
Since we had a chat about font colours and what was best for old eyes, I gotta say I prefer pics without effects.  It's distracting for me.  Only speaking for me.  (I loved the pics, bev :D  Thanks.)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 13, 2009, 07:47
I put in the snowflakes becasue we had them here yesterday.  And we are  expecting them again tonight. :( :(

I will try  and just put borders Liz.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 13, 2009, 16:15
Radisson and Damon still doing a great job. :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 13, 2009, 16:37
Okay, found a few translations for Damon (pronounced DAY-mon)

Anglo-Saxon = day of the week
Greek/version 1 = one who tames, subdues
Greek/version 2 = constant, loyal (less common defn online)
Latin = spirit, demon
English = to tame
Polish = of the people

All of those names would appear to work for your male Bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 13, 2009, 17:08
Damon sounds like a wonderful choice.  ;D  Great name Bev.  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 13, 2009, 18:27
I put in the snowflakes becasue we had them here yesterday.  And we are  expecting them again tonight. :( :(

I will try  and just put borders Liz.

Don't change it just for me, bev.  btw - we had flakes here today!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 13, 2009, 19:25
What was the temp today in Edmonton, bev/Eli?  It dropped to 2 here, poured torrents all day, and threw in some snow just for fun.  I heard it was -4 in Saskatoon...  isn't this the May long weekend???  lol 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 13, 2009, 19:32
Of course it's the May long weekend..that's why its horrid weather.  Spring did arrive in March right?  Hmmm, I wonder when we're going to see it?
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 13, 2009, 19:36
It must be that hole in the ozone layer.  I'm sure for the first 20 or so years of my life, most May long weekends meant camping.  How often was it horrid back then?  Or am I just "fondly" remembering my wild-oats years?   ;) ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 13, 2009, 19:48
I think we always tend to remember the better times. 
I just remember May long weekends being cold and wet wherever I was!  Playing competitive fast -pitch in shorts and it was cold and wet.

Hope that Edmonton doesn't see any more snow!  Let's all hope that the white stuff stops falling from the sky and the white fluffy stuff is only pertaining to little white chicks  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 14, 2009, 10:08
If you are looking at the cam and see white spots, Yup!!!!!It is snow again. It is D_ _ _ _ cold

And yes, it is  because it is the May long weekend. It used to signify the beginning of the camping season here also. But as long as I can remember now it has been crumby weather. The odd one is O.K. Our weather is supposed to be nice on Saturday and then dip again and more rain and maybe more snow.

I am trying to put a positive spin on this and say at least the leaves are not out full yet. ;) ;)

It is bel ow zero. Edmonton is usually a few degrees warmer than me because of the city element.

I am sure  Radisson and Damon are thinking. Mexico, Edmonton, Mexico, Edmonton????????

Thanks for the thumbs up on Damon's name. I thought it applied to him also.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 14, 2009, 10:17
It's cool, wet, windy and crappy here to Bev.  Angel has her girls up against the wall and she's trying to keep them dry.  It's so windy here she almost blew off the nestbox at one point..she lost her balance.  But they have been fed twice that I've seen so they are well prepared it seems  :D

May 2-4 is always crappy here too...I think that's probably how it got it's name...you go camping, it's so crappy out you drink a 2-4 of beer cause there is nothing else to do...lol  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Loriann May 14, 2009, 10:18
YOu know its windy when you have 'your girls' up against the wall.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 14, 2009, 10:19
YOu know its windy when you have 'your girls' up against the wall.   ;D

LOL  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 14, 2009, 11:48
Well, I think it is hot toddy time. 
At least Radisson and Damon have a box.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: msdolittle May 15, 2009, 17:41
just checked in, not sure which one is on the eggs but everything looks hunky dory in edmonton.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 15, 2009, 18:31
I always check on Radisson first thing in the morning too.  Who would have thought that this site would become our peaceful, calm site...after the raven chronicles and everything else that went on here in the past...(knock on wood) ...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 15, 2009, 19:00
Radisson seems to be (shh) sleeping. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 15, 2009, 19:00
I always check as well...it's nice to see a falcon just incubating. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 15, 2009, 21:22
I have the cam up all day  and they are just sharing the duties so nicely
these are all RAdisson today as I had a request for shots of Radisson.We are dreaming of spring and flowers
(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/th_edmontonmay15-1-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/?action=view&current=5dd913cb.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 16, 2009, 12:58
11:57am
Everything is going well. It never ceases to amaze me how they know to stay off eggs for a bit. wow!111

I am out for quite a bit today but I will be gong down in the next few days jsut to take a peek. :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 16, 2009, 18:47
Four eggs in a row.   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 16, 2009, 20:12
19:12
Damon on eggs and all :) :) is well
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 16, 2009, 20:16
Our solace right now...lol..who would have thunk it  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 17, 2009, 19:55
Well, we are in for 3 days of snow, so the forecast says.  and  below zero weather so thank god for the nest box.
It is Da-- cold right now and I am ready to pack up and move. but where to.????????? ::) ::) ::) :P :P
I have chickadees nesting in one of my boxes and they will be glad the suet is not far from them . I should put a little heater inside  :) :)

Radisson and Damon continue to take turns incubating
these are f rom yesterday. I thought I had taken some today

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay16-2-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay16-5-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 17, 2009, 19:58
Bev, I think at this point Radisson and Damon might agree to come with you  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 18, 2009, 09:30
8:28
in camera 1 you can see a bit of snow on side of roof adjacent to box.
the snow is just  starting here here and it is cold. hopefully will not be what they predicted. Icicles on my water fountain this morning and I am pouring hot water to thaw ti out. Winter water dishes are plugged in.
Damon is incubating
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 18, 2009, 11:13
10:12
nest change and Radisson has one egg showing. she better cover it as it is freezing. maybe warmer in box though :P
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 18, 2009, 11:17
Get that egg covered up Radisson...it's cold out there.
We should of a brrrr  icon up there
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 19, 2009, 05:57
Ack!!  20-40 cm of snow in Edmonton expected today  :'( :'(  Have weather on right now...no, no...snow, snow, go away, come back next Winter!!!  I just checked on poor Radisson and she's snug as a bug in her box.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 19, 2009, 07:38
6:25
I see the skiff of snow on the roof adjacent to nest box and Damon tight on the eggs.
I do not know about Edmonton but the ground is covered and the trees and the wind is blowing and it is still snowing. My husband just left for work and had to clean the snow off truck(flowers are in garage ;D ;D)


Man,  OH , Man.
will write more later. I am back to get under the covers. BRRRRRRRRRR
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 19, 2009, 07:44
At this point I am sure that you as well as the birds are thinking, Mexico, Edmonton, Mexico, Edmonton.   :D You must have the most beautiful garage in the city.  ;D  I hope that you don't get as much snow as forecasted.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 19, 2009, 10:53
So far we do not have the snow as forecasted but there is this evening yet. My husband said  it  is  Just wet at his office in Edmonton so we got more in the outlying area. I t has stoped and is to turn to rain.  but cold and blowing. :P :P :P

I will be so excited to see the sun, and I am sure Radisson and Damon will also.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 19, 2009, 14:30
At 9 degrees Winnipeg is positively balmy compared with what you guys are putting up with.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 19, 2009, 15:04
Oh man, lots of SNOW visible on the Edmonton webcam.  It looks like a storm.  Whoever thought we would be seeing this on May 19th.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: The Peregrine Chick May 19, 2009, 16:09
1609 hrs (Winnipeg) / 1509 hrs (Edmonton)
Can't see any snow, but some condensation on the camera lens and a peregrine asleep on eggs but can't tell who ...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 19, 2009, 16:10
oh my  :o

Last I checked it was May 19th...I'm sorry that you are experiencing this weather right now.   ???
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 19, 2009, 20:13
Nightime check here and all looks good.  Sending warm thoughts to Radisson, Damon and Bev!  I hope it warms up soon for all of you  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 19, 2009, 20:18
they say by Thursday.
but hey are being real  troopers :) :)

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 20, 2009, 10:53
9:52
cam is cloudy but so far no snow. Only 40% percent chance today :) :)

tomorrow the weather is supposed to break.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: msdolittle May 20, 2009, 13:33
what is the estimated hatch date bev?
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 20, 2009, 19:00
I guess that's Damon behind the condensation?  It looks too small to be Radisson. 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 21, 2009, 10:22
9:17
cam is clear at the moment.
We had rain and now I hope the sun is going to shine. it is supposed to

Radisson is incubating. she got up and left for a minute  and is back
Probably wondering where her relief is. :)
A picture of an exchange form yesterday and Radisson just a bit ago

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay21-3-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay20-3-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 21, 2009, 10:39
Bev, I guess you are not the single ticket holder of that 49 million dollar 649 draw last night!  It's one ticket from Edmonton..right away I thought of you and wondered..will she come online or will she disappear and what would Radisson and Damon do without her .. ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 21, 2009, 15:06
But I bet Edmonton would have one well financed falcon project!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 21, 2009, 20:11
It was group from the Alberta Treasury Branch.
my husbands group won 26.00 ;D ;D
Nope not me , but I would finance this one and Manitoba.
Well I would give your site some too Carly.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 21, 2009, 21:10
Bev, you're a generous gal. The thought means a lot.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 22, 2009, 04:58
Bev, you're a generous gal. The thought means a lot.

Couldn't have said it better  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 22, 2009, 10:24
I wish I could do more than just wish for it. 

9:20
Radisson is  incubating.
She either wants relief or someone came to o clsoe. Could be PMS also ;D ;D.

A picture from just now and one from an exchange yesterday

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmontonmay22-1-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2011/edmont0nmay21-4.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 22, 2009, 22:51
21:48

I have been watchng Radisson the last while. Poor girl is really restless.  She leaves for a few minutes and then comes back. I think Damon called out and she flew over to their building and bid goodnight and then came back, this is what I have seen in the past so I am just assuming.
she is cooling eggs off.
to start warming up here so I think we will see more of that by both of them.
she has such a good teacher :-*

i amde a slideshow. There are 23 pictures. A bit long but it was very interesting to see all her antics.
she is still up and down.

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmontonmay22-4-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=e201f36d.pbw)

: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 22, 2009, 23:05
what is the estimated hatch date bev?
bev?  I hope it's after P&T - My bp will go up if I have to watch two new chickpiles at the same time!  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 22, 2009, 23:33
I think anytime after June6.  and   I will be in Ottawa from th e6th till the 10th. 
Hope I can get near a computer.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 23, 2009, 08:09
Thank you for slide show Bev, so nice to see Radisson moving around..everytime I check in she's just sittin...hehe  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 23, 2009, 10:29
9:28
nice and sunny today. what a treat.
RAdisson is tight on the eggs but I think you will see them both off them a bit today so they do not get too warm.

Now must run to get pond up and running and lattice up to keep cats away. Sorry cat lovers but I try and protect the birds as much as I can.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 24, 2009, 13:55
12:5Just home and Radisson is incubating . Was off the eggs and on front perch for a bit.
Nice day out today, maybe some rain
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 25, 2009, 21:01
VERY VERY VERY HAPPY NEWS about Transmitter Girl!!!!
Please do keep on providing us updates bev...
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 25, 2009, 21:21
Great news is TG girl has a mate and they are copulating and I believe they have eggs or are in the process of laying eggs. 
I am so happy for you!  I know how much you care about her. 
I need a few more days to know for sure, but i have a concert tonight.
..another one?!!  Didn't you just go see Il Divo? 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: birdcamfan May 25, 2009, 21:26
Great news Bev. Yikes, double duty for you now. Please don't wear yourself out. We love hearing all the updates from  there and don't want you to get tired/sick/burned out.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 25, 2009, 21:33
Good point, bcf.  bev, last year you ran yourself ragged just to keep up with our thirst for news at one nest!  Doing two?  ..... nuf said.  We will be happy for what we get. ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: eagle63_1999 May 25, 2009, 21:38
Very well said, we don't want you running yourself sick. You take care of you  first!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: allikat May 25, 2009, 21:50
Agreed!!!  Take care of yourself first bev, of course your family as well...then the falcons  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 27, 2009, 07:53
6:51
RAdisson is incubating facing 7.
Looks like another nice day. A bit cooler than yesterday but sun.

I will have a report later on TG girl. :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 27, 2009, 10:41
9:39
Radisson keeping eggs just right temperature
click on picture

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmontonmay27-1-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=edmontonmay27-1-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Linder May 27, 2009, 22:19
Congrats to you Bev, great photos for Wpg and for Edm. You really put it out there and are really making a difference. Luv your reports of TG girl!
Hope you enjoyed Il Divo as much as I did?
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 28, 2009, 09:12
A few sots of RAdisson and Damon from yesterday

Second picture is Damon

click on picture

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmontonmay27-3-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=cb26fe02.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 28, 2009, 19:28
Thanks for the pictures, bev.  I'm so glad to see all four eggs there still.  :D :D I know it's been asked before, but I missed the answer -- when are the chicks due? 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 28, 2009, 20:04
Is it possible that the chick out of the egg with the interesting mark, will look different in anyway?  Or is just a mineral thing, or something like that? 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 28, 2009, 20:17
No the chick will be fine, last year one of her eggs had a white mark and it may even have been Cassie's egg and she was a real beauty.  It's just a mineral thing from what I've read on Froona's blog.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 28, 2009, 20:23
 :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 28, 2009, 22:32
Thanks, Bev, for these pictures. 
It's so great to see Radisson again in that box, and be reminded of our lovely Cassie.  Imagine FOUR growing chicks amid the clutter if the housekeeping is same as last year!  I'm really looking forward to this season in Edmonton.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 29, 2009, 10:49
I think I am going to hire Molly Maid for them ;D ;D

I checked things out there last night. Of course Radisson was in the box, and we found Damon tucked in  for the night.
Radisson is  incubating right  now
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 29, 2009, 10:52
I think the chicks are due any time after June6. Unfortunately I will be in Ottawa from June 6th till the 10th.  so I might miss it. but I will be at a computer for some of the time but I hope to enjoy Ottawa.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 29, 2009, 14:19
It's so great to see Radisson again in that box, and be reminded of our lovely Cassie.  Imagine FOUR growing chicks amid the clutter if the housekeeping is same as last year! 
Didn't we, at some time last year, decide we were glad there was only one in the box?  No one room for more once Cassie got big?  Four should be hilarious!
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 30, 2009, 12:12
Anybody able to see the cams?  Mine are all offline.....frustrating.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 30, 2009, 12:13
I can see, bcbird.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 30, 2009, 13:49
I never see bare eggs for myself -- someone is always on them when I'm watching! 
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bcbird May 30, 2009, 15:59
Yeah, it's a fairly tranquil site, compared to the drama at Weber.  Always seems to be a parent on tight.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 30, 2009, 16:11
Saw a shift change earlier Bev between Radisson and Damon and all looked peaceful..about an hour ago.  Cam is working well for me, I see Radisson (I think it's her!) on the eggs at the moment.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 31, 2009, 01:30
I finally found you all ;D ;D
Well it is tranquil right now. Wait till the eggs start hatching. Then fireworks.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 31, 2009, 06:56
Can;t get to the site at all this morning...grrrr.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: maggieblue May 31, 2009, 07:10
Neither can I.  ???  What bad timing.  I hope that it can be fixed on Monday.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 31, 2009, 08:13
Cam is back up now and all is well here..whew.. :D
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: BirdLover May 31, 2009, 09:05
Is this a live stream cam cuz all I get is stills???
Just curious.
M
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: carly May 31, 2009, 09:09
No it's not a live stream unfortunately.  It refreshes every something seconds, can't remember how many seconds at the moment.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: BirdLover May 31, 2009, 10:38
Thanks Carly, will keep watching to see how it goes.
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: Liz May 31, 2009, 12:06
every 30 seconds  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - May 2009
: bev. May 31, 2009, 17:27
I am still trying to get every 10-15 seconds.  someone new has taken over so just maybe.
I have just come back from Weber and will be going back after supper nd then swinging past Clinical science site. Everything seems to be going great there.
will write up reports later.
: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 01, 2009, 19:58
It's so quiet at this site!  I guess I'm glad for that...  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 02, 2009, 00:30
I was told today  that if they do a 10 second refresh we will only be able to have one cam. So 30 it is. I was sure we had less last year
Will post some shots in the morning.Very tired here
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 02, 2009, 06:04
Thanks for your efforts bev.  30 is better than none.

 :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 02, 2009, 09:06
8:00 Alberta time
There was a changing of the guard a few moments ago.
Click on pictures

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmontonjune2-1-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=edmontonjune2-1-9.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmonotonJune2-2-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=edmonotonJune2-2-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 02, 2009, 11:17
When are these due to hatch?  (too lazy to go back through the whole posting to find the answer, sorry)

 ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 02, 2009, 11:19
I think the chicks are due any time after June6. Unfortunately I will be in Ottawa from June 6th till the 10th.  so I might miss it. but I will be at a computer for some of the time but I hope to enjoy Ottawa.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 02, 2009, 11:27
thx bcbird.  Will keep watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 02, 2009, 19:47
I went back over the last few years and they seemed to hatch around 32 day So ..... I am thinking more 9th or 10th , but I think I will start watching better on the 6th
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 02, 2009, 20:06
I will miss the hatching of Radisson eggs as I'll be on fledge watch unless they hatch early in the morning my time... I hope so,  and I want her to have a full house this year  ;D. 

I can hear Bev going, sure Carly thanks a lot so I can run all over the place during fledge chasing 4 chicks flying in different directions  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 02, 2009, 20:10
While it's not the same, you know there'll be lots of pics!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 02, 2009, 20:28
So eggciting!!!!!!!!!  I can't wait!!!  More little white fluffy cuties to admire!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 02, 2009, 21:25
I'm with you Carly, would love to see Radisson with a bigger family this year.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 03, 2009, 22:04
I just can't wait for more little white cute fluff balls!  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 04, 2009, 09:20
Everything is going good here.
After the hatch of 2 yesterday a t Genesse I am thinking June 9 at Edmonton but start watching after June 6.
Unfortunately I am going to Ottawa on Saturday until Wednesday night JUne 10.

I am still hoping to catch the hatch  but if I miss it will someone e-mail Louise at the site with the time of each hatch. I usually do that . If she gets more than one e-mail she will not mind as I will writing her to tell her to expect them

Here is her e-mail

Louise Veillard [ecos@su.ualberta.ca]

Here is a short slideshow of pictures over the last few days
Soon they will be busy :)
Click on Picture
(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/th_edmonotnmay31-3-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev12/?action=view&current=2bba9a8e.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 04, 2009, 14:04
Just checked in our girl and caught her looking at her eggs..almost like she was listening to hear something.  She wasnt' up off them but rather they were out in front of her chest part way..very cute!  I'm guessing by this point, they are thinking...ok...are we done yet :P
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bccs June 04, 2009, 14:25
Hey Bev, have a great trip and wave at us as you fly over.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 04, 2009, 15:18
Thanks Bev, love those photos of Radisson in the box.  She does occasionally get interesting expressions on her "face."
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 05, 2009, 23:03
Well , my last post till I get back ,unless I remember the password :) :)
Very cold tonihgt and tomorrow as well. We are expecting rain here for the  next 3 days.
It snowed in Red Deer and Calgary so I am hoping it does not come to Edmonton. I will not be here but the rids will. Not  good  weather for hatching but she has the box.
i hope you all see the hatches.
 I am hoping she waits for me to get home but I do not think that is going to happen.

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 05, 2009, 23:11
I hope you get to see the hatches, bev.  :D

I guess we're all having the same weather, across the Prairie Provinces -- all still waiting for spring to come, let alone it might feel like summer.  I'm still wearing my leather coat to work, and glad for it with the wind we've been getting!  AB, SK, MB and prob to Thunder Bay, spring has not sprung!  (hits self upside-head: weather thread! oops)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 06, 2009, 15:49
Has anyone been watching Radisson in Edmonton this afternoon?  She (I think it is her) has her back to the camera and there is something just to the left of her up top. Maybe debris or maybe eggshell.  I haven't seen the eggs at all today.
O.K. I think that was a false alarm. She has turned sideways.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 06, 2009, 16:16
Now Radisson is off the eggs.  One of the eggs has a white spot on it.  The bits of something that I could see before are just to the left of it.  I hope that the chicks don't hatch until Bev is back after all of the work that she has put into this.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Moonstar June 06, 2009, 17:07
I just checked the Edmonton camera.  Not sure which parent is in the nest but they are not on the eggs.  They are against the wall of the nest box and the eggs are in the open.  Not sure if it is a concern or not.  I am concerned about it.  Hope everything is okay there.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 06, 2009, 17:15
All looks fine to me, can't see any eggs in the open, the bird looks smallish but I'm not the expert on Radisson & Damon, so I'll defer to Bev's opinion when she comes back to town ...

(http://www.pbase.com/speciesatrisk/image/113443682/medium.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 17:53
maggieblue, one of the eggs has had a white circle on it from day one.  Did you see part of that, or a hole/pip? 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 18:08
Is that Damon?  Looks kinda small, but it may be the angle.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 06, 2009, 18:34
maggieblue, one of the eggs has had a white circle on it from day one.  Did you see part of that, or a hole/pip? 
It wasn't the egg with the rather exotic oval on it. It certainly looked like a small pip.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 18:36
cool!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 06, 2009, 18:46
Is that Damon?  Looks kinda small, but it may be the angle.
Damon, I'd say too, Liz, as Radisson seems at least half the length of the nest box.  Right now in cam 2 view, it looks like a slightly lighter head though, so maybe it is Radisson with a deceiving angled view, or maybe there has been a shift change?   
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 19:01
Just by size, I think it must be Damon. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Moonstar June 06, 2009, 19:29
maggieblue, one of the eggs has had a white circle on it from day one.  Did you see part of that, or a hole/pip? 
Thanks Tracy.  I do not think the images I get on my computer are right from Edmonton.  I seem to see the same things almost everytime I look. And yet at work it works and refreshes.  So maybe the picture I saw was a moment they were off the eggs and it froze on my computer.
I am so happy all is well.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 21:46
I noticed that some times it goes back to the last time I looked at it -- could flash back a coupel of hours.. but then goes back to the current pic. 
Doesn't Radisson look like she's talking to the eggs? 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 06, 2009, 22:14
Am I imagining it?  I've never seen her facing backwards over the eggs, always sideways.  I think she's hearing something and chatting to them!  Anyone else seeing something new?  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: ballywing June 07, 2009, 01:05
Ooooh - talking to the eggs!!  :o....doesn't that mean the kiddies are coming any time now??  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 07, 2009, 06:12
Ooooh - talking to the eggs!!  :o....doesn't that mean the kiddies are coming any time now??  ;D

It means we're in the home stretch! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 07, 2009, 06:21
I haven't seen the eggs this morning. There must have been a shift change as I think that it was Radisson there at first light and now it looks like it is Damon on duty. He is in a rather strange pose with head down and wings partly extended.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 07, 2009, 06:29
Ack..the high is only going to be 5 degrees in Edmonton today! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: eagle63_1999 June 07, 2009, 11:16
Which means even if an egg hatches we will be hard pressed to see the little one.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 08, 2009, 07:58
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu90/msdolittle69/peep.jpg)

is that a peep?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 08, 2009, 09:27
Photo blocked at my work so can't say.  She's restless though, looking under and spinning around alot the past half hour.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 08, 2009, 18:40
I spent quite a bit of time today watching Radisson and Damon.  At some points there was quite a bit of moving around and looking underneath but I barely got a glimpse of the eggs all day.  It is pretty cool in Edmonton too so they are not leaving the eggs for long.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 09, 2009, 09:41
8:20 alberta time

RAdisson just entered the nest box and is looking down at eggs.
Now preening.
I figured today or tomorrow for first hatch so lwt us see how close I am.
She is sort of sittng with eggs showing and now is down on them and ooking towrd cam
I will be watching off and on
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 09, 2009, 09:45
Hey Bev, I think that they are waiting for you to come home.  ;D  And I think that you just invented a new word for the peregrine dictionary, "chicking in"  ;D (See Sun Life post) How appropriate.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 09, 2009, 10:08
Trust me and my spelling LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 09, 2009, 10:11
9:10am
edmonotn  time
RAdisson very antsy,  and checking the eggs
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 09, 2009, 11:45
10:40 Edmonotn time
Radisson has been up and on and off egg s for the last 2  hours.
She is back on again and facing 7.
I have to go out now so if she has  hatch I hope someone is watching.
Peter finished conference early today so i do not think he  would appreciate me
sitting in front of the computer.

 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 09, 2009, 16:18
Not sure if it is Damon on right now.  The parent is pretty calm, occasionally sleeping, over the past hour or so.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 09, 2009, 16:24
Shift change, with a good view of the eggs.  Did anyone see a pip?
They all looked normal to me.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 09, 2009, 18:56
I'd sure like to get a look at those eggs! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 09, 2009, 19:00
Oooohhh I'm getting anxious...I can't wait for new chicks to watch and to the token head tilt, smile and say "awe"   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 09, 2009, 19:06
lol, allikat! exactly!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 09, 2009, 21:04
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu90/msdolittle69/edmontonjune9.jpg)

the back egg looks wierd.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Moonstar June 09, 2009, 21:07
Yes it does look weird.  Could be how it is sitting or the angle of the view.  Hope it is alright.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 09, 2009, 21:21
It's possibly the egg that has the 'mineral line' oval on it. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 10, 2009, 08:35
7:30am edmonton time

Radisson is on eggs. She was up and on perch and then down on eggs  again.Today is day 30 so....
I can only watch  a few hours and then I am off.
Get home very late tonight so I am hoping there is a hatch or 2.
supposed to be warmer today.
The a on computer stuck so bear with me  LOL
Radisson is looking right at me





: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 10, 2009, 09:23
Heh..Radisson got up and I guess she was either listening to or turning an egg but the way the image froze on that particular movement - it looked like she was kissing the egg  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 10, 2009, 09:24
8:20edmonton time

radisson is moving around a lot nd checking eggs. hrd to see if there is a pip .
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 10, 2009, 09:50
8:50 edmonton time
wish I could snp pictures,but she is moving all around and talking to the kids(eggletts).
Come on out. the weather is nice today.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 10, 2009, 12:01
11:00am
edmonton time
Radisson sitll in box and has turned several times

last year (her first clutch) the egg did not hatch until day32 ,I believe). but then one egg did not hatch.

I will have to go of line in about an hour until tomorrow so if you see anything please post.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 10, 2009, 12:19
Just got a good look at the eggs Bev, 1:18 pm EST and they are all intact.  No pips that I could see yet.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 10, 2009, 12:30
11:30am
damon on eggs
I am out now.
There may be developments in the later Pm
I will check when I get home.

Thanks carly

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 10, 2009, 18:38
LOL - bev leaving sounded a lot like Kinderchick yesterday, leaving the P&T site! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 10, 2009, 21:24
I've been waiting for hours and I still haven't seen eggs with my own eyes!  Radisson - get up!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 10, 2009, 21:33
Making a cradle with my hands..asking Radisson to move gently so we can see what's happening underneath her....come on eggies, come on...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 10, 2009, 21:35
that bird can sit .. and sit .. and sit .. and sit ..
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 10, 2009, 21:36
and sit and sit and sit and sit and sit............oh and sit some more  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 10, 2009, 21:39
and sitsitsitsitsitsitsitsitsitsitsitsitsit sitsitsit :o
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 10, 2009, 22:17
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu90/msdolittle69/edmontonjune10.jpg)

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 10, 2009, 22:58
I missed your post MsD, but I just saw the same thing likve (finally!).  I don't see any pips.  But she does seem to be trying to get things moving... 36 hours, max.  Also putting money on 18 hrs! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 10, 2009, 23:46
As the light fades in her box, she is still sitting.  All to be seen is her white chest.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: ballywing June 11, 2009, 01:33
Poor Radisson - she's going to get numb bum at this rate!  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 11, 2009, 08:57
Poor Radisson - she's going to get numb bum at this rate!  :P
LOL ballywing. And she is still hiding those eggs this morning.  No signs of shell or anything else going on.  It seems like she has been on those eggs forever.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 09:59
8:55
I believe we have a first hatch or one in progress
One site reported they thought they saw it at 8:26 and it could very well have been the start . I have been watchng since 7:00 and she is not showing much and the glare is bad but I have some pictures of what I think was the start. 
does not matter exact time but it is happening and radisson called out (exactly as last year)
Will post as I see.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 11, 2009, 10:20
Excellent, I've had her up all morning but it's been so busy here at work.  I've noticed she's up and down alot and thought...hmmm wonder if something is going on under there!  Go Radisson!

I think she didn't want any hatches until you came home Bev, you've spoiled her and now she likes to have you around to help out  :P 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 10:38
and false alarm as I  just saw 4 eggs

boy. I was sure but the light is bad when she was on them
she sure is trying and it is hard to tell if there are pips or not.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 10:50
Sorry for the false alarm. Joanne  from BCATW  and I both thought something was happening.
I still think she is hearing peeps but still inside, I guess. Lots of moving around on her part though

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune11-113-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: ballywing June 11, 2009, 12:52
Seems like she's been incubating those eggs for EVER!! - hatching has gotta be any time now!  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 11, 2009, 12:53
That is one depressed looking bird  :-\
I can just hear her ... hatch darn it, my tailfeathers are numb and your father is annoying me with his incessant take out deliveries of Peregrine-KD ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 11, 2009, 12:59
Did a bit of checking ... third egg wasn't laid until May 8th - if hard incubation began immediately after egg 3 was hatched then hatch would be about now (+/- a couple of days).  So basically, she's pretty much right on target and there really is no reason to think that they won't hatch out all at once in the next day or two ... 

Radisson did well last year and this year was pretty stress-free (relative to 2008) so all should be well ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 13:25
That is what I thought also TPC. I  figured the hatch would be around this time.
Last year it was day 32 and this is 31 after last egg.
It is warm here today so she   is protecting them from getting too hot also.
Not worried here. Just antsy.  :) :).

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 13:42
12:41pm
she is sitting and now lying on eggs.
I think she was promising the kids kinderpigeons when they emerge.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 11, 2009, 16:40
3:39pm Edmonton

do yu hear the Tap, tap, tap tap.
I am going to water the plants now and you watch , there will be  start  ;D.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 11, 2009, 18:26
Still four eggs - no sign of a pip that I could see.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 11, 2009, 19:07
sigh  I guess she waited for bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 11, 2009, 19:20
Four uncovered eggs.  No pips that I can see.  Just the funny white line on mineral-chick. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 11, 2009, 19:22
If there was a microphone we'd hear her saying, "Come on kids, get percolating!" 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 11, 2009, 19:25
Four uncovered eggs.  No pips that I can see.  Just the funny white line on mineral-chick. 
A.K.A.  "Ringer" 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 11, 2009, 20:09
cool    8)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 12, 2009, 11:23
Was that just the Ringer, or an actual pip?  It didn't look linear, more like a patch of light colour.  Anyone?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 12, 2009, 13:21
Oh Trey would be proud of Radisson right now!  She pulled herself right up off the eggs to get at something in the corner of the nestbox.. ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 12, 2009, 13:43
I missed that.  Still no signs of hatching, I guess? 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 12, 2009, 13:47
Nothing that I could see Liz. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: JL June 12, 2009, 16:45
I just caught a glimpse of the eggs and no pips yet.   ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 12, 2009, 16:47
sigh (k, now I'm going)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 12, 2009, 17:04
I believe we have a pip
don't give up. some are slower than others.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune12-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 12, 2009, 22:24
Still sitting.  Glad you put in that picture, Bev.  Is it the furthest back one, or the one in front of it to the screen right?  Don't both have a little light patch, similar to what I saw this morning.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: ballywing June 13, 2009, 00:14
Saturday's GOT to be the day!!!  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 00:17
I saw that little pip...also looked like there was another little pip on the egg at 3 o'clock?

Saturday....as ballywing wrote, that will be the day!!!  All eyes on Radisson and Damon's eggs!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 13, 2009, 04:52
I'll be on fledge watch all day here so I will Radisson's eggs hatching..take lots of pictures please.  I'm so sad I will miss it all but my Mackenzie is in trouble so I can't not be out there.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 13, 2009, 05:19
I'm stubborn, it's pitch black and I see Radisson moving..Going to hop in the shower and by then it should be lighter..maybe I'll see a chick before I go out!.  6:19 am EST time.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 05:35
Radisson, get up please.  We want to have a look. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 13, 2009, 05:43
Is that an eggshell???? Just got out of shower.  Her back is up like she's got a hatchling under her...and look at that white...!!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 05:44
I'm seeing white too!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 13, 2009, 05:47
I think she has a hatch or two under her!  I have to go now, I have to go find my lost boy!  Good luck and I'lll check in tonight when I come home!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 05:47
carly, have a good day on fledge watch  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 06:23
It looks like a hatch in Edmonton.  I hope that someone who can take pictures is watching. Don't know when it actually happened but for Bev's records my first glimpse was 5:25 Edmonton time.  Now she is pulling eggshell out.  And another adult has arrived.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 06:28
I think it's just one so far.  I wish she would get up! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 06:38
Maybe two now. Hard to tell. Big half of eggshellto the side now and one wet chick.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 08:03
Go Radisson!   ;D  I am pretty sure that there are 3 chicks and possibly number 4 arriving.  Dad came to check again and mom moved.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 08:28
I was asleep but htey informed me from BCATW
3 hatches so far. Dad came in after  first one right away and already brought mom food.
I posted the 2 eggs yesterday with the pips and now I am going to get picutres for you form other forum
I can see me running already
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 08:37
I was asleep but htey informed me from BCATW
3 hatches so far. Dad came in after  first one right away and already brought mom food.
I posted the 2 eggs yesterday with the pips and now I am going to get picutres for you form other forum
I can see me running already
Sorry that you missed the hatches.  Radisson wasn't giving anyone much of a glimpse. It is great that someone captured pictures.  Congratulations and maybe you will have to go into training now, expecially with two nests to watch.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 08:50
For some of the newer readers here....the female here, Radisson, is the offspring of Princess and Trey.  She had one chick last year at her first try.  It is wonderful news that she has 3 chicks this year (maybe even 4).  Princess and Trey's genes carry on.   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 09:27
I have pictures :courtesy of SGB from BCATW forum. she had her recorder on.
And I was sleeping

I will do a slideshow with her shots and then post the still of dad feeding them
coming right up
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 09:53
This is the times for now . May change a we bit when SGB rechecks later. But gives you a good idea.

Third hatch may be a bit sooner.

slideshow I did  from SGB picutres
Click on picture

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/th_edmontonjune13-3-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/?action=view&current=68668966.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 10:00
one of my recent  shots that shows one egg intact.

someone once asked , why cams. well 2 reasons.

 We get to learn the ins and outs of falcon life and gain a greater appreciation of them
and 2. what one person misses , someone else in a different time zone picks up.

Really wonderful when you think about it.(the cooperation between forums and people is just great.)
thank-you  everyone who caught this , either on pictures or just by comments. I was sleeping(Shame on you Radisson)
I am asking for color tape on the bands. Think I will get it. It will make it better for ID when they fledge. I will never know one from the other.
2 I could handle but 3 or 4. ???? LOL

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-17-9.jpg)

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 13, 2009, 10:11
Thank you for posting the pictures Bev. And a BIG CHEER to skygirlblue for capturing all of this.   ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 10:13
and one of SGB shots of dd and kids

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-12-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Moonstar June 13, 2009, 11:12
So happy that the chicks are hatching here.  Glad Raddisson will have a few chicks this year.  Sure hope the fours one hatches.  Would be really nice to see that.  It will sure be crowded in the nest tho.   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 11:20
They had four befroe and then a put in a fifth foster one. :) :)

If it gets too crowded they go onto the roof below when they are older
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 13, 2009, 11:56
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu90/msdolittle69/edmontonjune13.jpg)



: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 12:07
nice shot msdolittle.

I have a slide show and you will notice that one falls over backwards
i am out for most of day. I will try and check in but grandson gets first communion today and I hope I do not miss hatch #4.
click on picture

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/th_edmontonjune13-20-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/?action=view&current=f254040f.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: ballywing June 13, 2009, 12:40
Finally!!! - Yay!!- Thanks for the Pics everyone, I knew I'd be at work when they hatched!! :-\ After all that sitting, Radisson will be a busy Mom now, last year one chick -this year FOUR!  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 13:05
I am not sure if this is a crack in 4th egg and I have to go out

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-32-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-31-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 13:18
I missed the whole event as well...what else is new, I've missed all the hatches this year.  Hey, at least I can say that I'm consistent  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 13, 2009, 15:57
Radisson proudly showing us three chicks and one intact egg.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: gramma June 13, 2009, 16:07
Thanks for the great pictures Bev.  It's hard to believe that our Wpg babies were this small a few weeks ago.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: birdcamfan June 13, 2009, 19:27
The adult in sort of upright over the chicks and egg right now leaving a beautiful wishbone shaped print in the gravel just in front of the group. It must be where her wings and head were earlier, it looks really cool.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 13, 2009, 19:43
I knew I would miss it all!!   :o  That's what happens when folks get married.
AWESOME!!!  I'm so happy that we have more chicks to watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 20:03
Is that a crack, or the mineral-line egg?  And is that really three chicks? 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 20:58
Oh where, oh where, has our beverly gone...? 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 21:04
I think she's down there watching....I wish I knew what was going on with that last egg....?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 13, 2009, 21:21
Did a bit of checking ... third egg wasn't laid until May 8th - if hard incubation began immediately after egg 3 was hatched then hatch would be about now (+/- a couple of days).  So basically, she's pretty much right on target and there really is no reason to think that they won't hatch out all at once in the next day or two ... 

Radisson did well last year and this year was pretty stress-free (relative to 2008) so all should be well ...

Nice when I can count accurately  ;D
Congrats Radisson, you are doing your parents (& grandparents & great-grandparents) proud!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 21:33
She's going to be amazing.  Not only does she have great genes, she had a practice chick last year. ;D  She's ready for this! 
(Hi, Cassie :-*)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: skygirlblue June 13, 2009, 22:21
very large crack in egg #4....soon, I hope...

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb123/mannereid/May%202009/alberta206.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 22:35
SGB, glad to see you here! (hug)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 22:37
AWWWWW!!! 
Look at those cute little faces!   :-* :-*
Come on chickie in 4th egg....come on.....join your siblings.   ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: skygirlblue June 13, 2009, 22:41
SGB, glad to see you here! (hug)

Thanks liz!!!  I thought for sure I was gonna see cutie #4 pop right out of that shell...but now Miss R. has everybody covered...and I'm fading fast...oh Bev....where are you?!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 22:44
Bev and Carly have been out all day...Bev must be down there.  And Carly, well we know that now she'll be asleep....
Okay..now we need a ((((((((((GROUP HUG FOR CARLY AND BEV))))))))))
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: kittenface June 13, 2009, 22:47
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/emotions/223f1da60863d70e01b3ea4730a14218.gif)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 22:49
hey kittenface, how did you do that?
That is really cute!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 13, 2009, 22:50
Perfect, kittenface!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Pchemist June 13, 2009, 22:58
hey kittenface, how did you do that?
That is really cute!

kittenface cleverly links (inserts an image) with other sites with more impressive smiley graphics available.  Very cute!

[if you right click and ask for "properties" on one of her images, you'll be able to see the original site - in case it's something you'd like to be able to go see/use]
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 13, 2009, 22:59
I love it!!! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 13, 2009, 23:31
Radisson had a bit of move there and I think 4 has arrived ... will be interesting to see if my eyes were just playing tricks on me when tomorrow dawns ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 13, 2009, 23:51
Too dark for me, can't see a thing.  Hope #4 is there in the a.m.!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 13, 2009, 23:52
Hi everyone. I thought there was a crack when I posted last.
I did post I think that I had my grandsons first communion today. I just got home

I will be taking a run down there tomorrow. But you can see better right here.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 00:01
She is looking out the front and then down and she is looking oput agin. I am afraid Damon has probably turned in for  the niight.
It was very warm here today.
she is looking down now. She is used to Damon coming in after every hatch.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-42-9.jpg)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune13-40-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 00:14
I saw him more than once when I checked in. He'll do okay! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 06:47
Is that an egg to the left side of her ,where a hatch went wrong.
Or some prey???
need to go back to bed but I want to see what is there
now she has pulled it under her.aybe a hatch happening


(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune14-1-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 06:51
so we will see soon I hope

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune14-2-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 07:16
come on Radisson. Bev is tired(Zzzzzz)
I see fluff but how many???
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 08:38
Something not right here??? I do not think 4th chick made it???
these are in reverse order

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune14-9-9.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune14-8-9.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontonjune14-7-9.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 14, 2009, 09:22
I really wish that Radisson would give us a better look at what is going on.  There is a feeding going on right now.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 14, 2009, 09:31
It is really difficult to tell whether or not there has been a fourth hatch.  Part of an egg is still visible next to the chicks which probably means no hatch yet as she would likely have removed the shell. Or maybe not  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 09:55
I have been here since 5:00am Alberta time and I need sleep but too late now. time for Brekkie
anyhow
I was with SGB watching and I think  I have some answers to my questions.
The grey thing we kept seeing was a piece of prey that was  either leftover or brought in before any of us got up. Maybe in case there was a hatch overnight
Dad did come to the perch this morning so he is not neglecting her.

he is a great provider.
 And we had pigeons this morning
first a slide show of the feed by mom with leftovers.
click on picture

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/th_edmontonjune14-12-9.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/?action=view&current=e4b99728.pbw)




.a
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 09:59
now for the pigeons.
Playing catch me if you can.  ;D ;D
SGB got them on top of the box . I got one actually come on the perch.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev13/edmontnjune14-10-9.jpg)

so all is well. 3 chicks and one unhatched so far.
they have been fed and they have had company paying their respects.

: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Pchemist June 14, 2009, 10:02
that is a seriously funny picture!

reminds me of "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" where the "meal animal" walked up and described which bits would be the most tender and tasty....

food delivery taking on a whole new meaning here!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 10:25
That's from a 5-part trilogy, as I recall?!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 10:50
Great pics, bev.  Thanks!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Pchemist June 14, 2009, 12:02
That's from a 5-part trilogy, as I recall?!

indeed!  Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy, in five parts.

I think we may need to adopt it for watching chicks.  We need a large sign in friendly letters across the page that says "Don't Panic!"

Pchemist, traveling with her towel.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 12:07
"mostly friendly"
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 13:10
Is that a fourth broken egg I see?!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 14, 2009, 13:10
Hatch number 4 going on right now  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 14, 2009, 13:11
yippee! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Ellie June 14, 2009, 13:12
Saw the same picture...........something looks very new and pinkish........#4 I guess
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Ellie June 14, 2009, 13:14
Great going Radisson!  Gonna have your "hands" full now!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 14, 2009, 13:17
Hatch number 4 going on right now  ;D 

Aw nuts, it was just my eyes at half-past-the-middle-of-the-night last night ... congrats Radisson on number 4!!  What is the interval between the hatches Bev?  I ask because we have had a couple of later hatches that haven't done so well and a couple that have this year ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: eagle63_1999 June 14, 2009, 13:17
Awwwww hatch #4 kinda pinkish at the moment since it just came out of the egg a bit ago
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 14, 2009, 13:53
Excellent news!!!!  Congratulations Radisson and Damon!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: moka June 14, 2009, 14:48
If TPC's eyes are deceiving her, I don't hold up much hope for the rest of us!

Congratulations Radisson! Wonderful news.

Bev, thanks for all the great pictures and slideshows. You have the patience of Job.

Much appreciated.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 14, 2009, 15:23
One, two, three, four little fluff balls just visible under her chest!  Well done Radisson and Damon.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 14, 2009, 15:55
[What is the interval between the hatches Bev?  I ask because we have had a couple of later hatches that haven't done so well and a couple that have this year ...
TPC, Bev said that she was going down there today. So maybe she will answer your question later, but in the meantime ... the first three chicks hatched very early Saturday morning between 5 and 7 am, so if my calculations are correct the fourth chick is about 30 hours behind.
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: bev. June 14, 2009, 16:03
dA-- MISSED THE HATCH AGAIN. had TO GO OUT.

i WILL BE going down there later today.
First hatch at 5:28,
Second hatch at 5:38
third hatch at 6:56
4th hatch at 12-12:06 june14
About 28 hours between last and third.
Feeding going on and dad was on outside
I knew he was around as I could see her looking over
Pictures coming and I will ask fro permission to use picutres of Hatch that were posted elsewhere. I know there will not be a problem
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 16:18
feed over and mom left with prey. Good girl Radisson.
Make sure it stays that way
I have a picture of after the hatch. I believe I see 4
mom starting a feed and dad on front perch

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 16:19
dad is babysitting and I am doing a slide show of the chicks and feed
they are so cute when they fall over
Hope all are O.K.
another hot day.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Elaine L June 14, 2009, 16:23
Four chicks for Radisson and Damon - what great news!  It is so hot today it feels like we are living in the tropics, and I am not going out; Bev, I don't know how you can stand the heat, but glad you made it down there.  From what I can see, all the chicks are doing well, and we still have chicks to come (I hope) at the Weber Building.
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: eagle63_1999 June 14, 2009, 16:29
Good going Radisson and Damon!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 16:33
We have not gone yet Eli. We put peregrine finding on hold today. But we will be going down there later

Pictures of a bit of feed and the chicks. In last picture you can see the 4

Now dad is sitting with chicks in front.
slide show

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: Ellie June 14, 2009, 19:26
It's seems that our camera view is a bit closer..........my eyes playing tricks maybe?  Feel as though it is closer as the fluff ball looks a bit larger!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 14, 2009, 19:45
How wonderful to come home and see Radisson has 4 little bundles of fluff in her nestbox this year!  Thank you for all the photos, I feel like I missed so much..lol!

PS: That photo with the pigeons is awesome! 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 20:08
 a slideshow with the warm fluff balls

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 20:10
look at these dark feathers.
RAdison, Radisson

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: bcbird June 14, 2009, 20:16
This might be the cleanest we see this nest box for the rest of the season.
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: allikat June 14, 2009, 21:50
They are sooo cute...I wonder how long we'll be able to see the little ones as the feathers are already making as appearance.  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 14, 2009, 22:47
I f they are dark feathers , we will see them until they start to get  their mature feathers ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: birdcamfan June 14, 2009, 22:57
I was just thinking earlier today how clean the nestbox still was. I guess that's all over!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 15, 2009, 12:02
10:58

a feed is going on but Radisson is right in front so cannot see chicks.
I have a few pcitures from today
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 15, 2009, 13:15
Both Radisson and Damon are at the nest with one shading the chicks and the other on the perch.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Holly-Birdeze June 15, 2009, 13:19
 AWWWEEESOOOO CUTE!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 15, 2009, 15:38
a feed this afternoon.the best one where I could see the kids ;D ;D
click on picture slideshow

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 15, 2009, 17:34
A very beautiful sight - 4 little chicks all in a  row, shaded by mom.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 15, 2009, 19:59
Okay....here we go again.  Token head tilt, awe and cheesy smile on our faces!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Alison June 16, 2009, 00:41
It's wonderful to see Radisson and Damon with four chicks! Bev, thank you so much for all the updates, pics and slideshows!

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 16, 2009, 08:07
the weather forecast does not say , but we have had rain all night and it is still raining.
report from yesterday in a bit
You are very welcome Allison.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: msdolittle June 16, 2009, 08:08
great pictures......
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: carly June 16, 2009, 09:03
10:00 am EST and mom just did a nice little feeding to the 'Fab Four'.  Now they are all tucked in under her for a nap.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 16, 2009, 11:57
We went down to the site to just check things out. Of course we cannot see what you see on the cam but..

We were driving up to the area from the Weber building and we saw an adult falcon soaring over the area to the west of the building. the traffic would not let Peter stop ;D ;D
We need a sign that says, we stop for peregrine watching.

By the time we got to the alley behind the parkade , the adult was making its way over to the building. It swooped down by the side of the clinical science and we quickly went over to another parking lot where we could see everything.

There it was , on the back of the Heart building under the new helicopter pad. I am not sure who. I figured Radisson, at this time of night.
Took a couple of poor shots (someone has been playing with the camera :P).
As it flew off behind I got out of the car and went toward the nest site. I knew it would now be sitting on heart building adjacent to nest box.

Those darn traffic lights take so long........
As I was  walk-running, I saw another  falcon coming out of box. I took aim and  :o :o camera was turned off. but it flew out and over to heart building. I sped up and another flew into nest box as I got there.

by the time I was in place ,one was heart building and one in nest box.

Now this was about 8:00pm so I figure mom  went  in and dad went out.

As I was going up to parkade ,I missed the one in box out on perch( Peter saw it on his way to the  ::) ::) but got a few more shots of one on heart building.

As Peter said, we need to iron out kinks now . I have no problem getting him to come any more. I think he is secretly just as enamored as I.  And when I give him the camera, no problem what so ever ;D ;D
so far so good

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RAdisson I think , flying to heart building
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 16, 2009, 12:18
There is a feed going on right now (11:09am)
She gives a partial view and then moves in front
Just a short slide show.
Watch for mom bringing in a piece of prey at beginning
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: JL June 16, 2009, 16:43
Mom went on a break; it looks like a nice warm day in Edmonton.  Cute mini chick huddle.   ;D
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: carly June 16, 2009, 18:04
7:00 pm est and mom is giving the grandkids a good feeding.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: maggieblue June 16, 2009, 18:14
Beautifull to see the four little chicks being fed  ;D Go Radisson
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: Liz June 16, 2009, 18:17
Uncovered chickpile!
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: allikat June 16, 2009, 19:35
 :-* :-* :-* & more  :-* :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 16, 2009, 22:14
Proud parent, Dad, I think, and one little one both looking the same direction away from the chick pile.  Ah, along comes Mama to cover them up a bit.  Shift change done.

Wonder if they will be fed once more before bedtime?
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: Ellie June 17, 2009, 06:00
All quiet in the nest.  Mom covering the chick pile!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 17, 2009, 13:50
Three face plants and 1 standing up and looking around.. ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 13:50
I have some picutres from yesterday and this morning
I am watching and everything is going well. they are well fed and Radisson and Damon are sharing duties nicely and fairly clean so far. ;D ;D ;D
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 17, 2009, 15:49

...fairly clean so far. ;D ;D ;D


It's quite impressive given last years clutter, and considering they are bringing in prey to feed four, not one.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 17, 2009, 16:02
Mom just fed the chicks again, so cute to see 4 little beaks open.  SOmetimes I look at Radisson and she's looking down at them with this look on her face that says...how come so many this year  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 17:46
A picture a bit before feed . Says it all
they are stretched out.
and then the feed. So cute
click on picture quite a few shots

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 17:47
Please let me know if you do not want slide shows O.K.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 17, 2009, 17:49
Love the slideshows  :) :)
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: msdolittle June 17, 2009, 17:51
me too ... i love watching the slide shows..... thanks bev
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 17, 2009, 18:26
Slide shows are fine with me.  It's an easy way to see more pictures with one click. I'd like to know how many pictures there will be, or have the show not loop automatically.
Thanks Bev. This site is a favourite of mine, and I appreciate all the work you do for it including posting pictures for us.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Linder June 17, 2009, 19:04
Keep up the slideshows, absolutely luv them. You're doing a great job keeping everyone up todate.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 17, 2009, 19:05
Bev...I love your slideshows!!!  These little ones are just so sweet!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Alison June 17, 2009, 20:30
Please let me know if you do not want slide shows O.K.

I love your slideshows, Bev! what beautiful little chicks in the feeding slideshow!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: eagle63_1999 June 17, 2009, 20:41
You're doing great Bev, just don't wear yourself out!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 20:59
Thanks everyone.
I am trying to cover as best as I can. Have been watching Toronto residential as they are to fledge soon and with only one parent I am being the second ;D ;D ;D

I will tell how many pcitures in the slides. I am not sure if I can do them any other way than automatic but when Peter comes back from out of town I will ask him.
I only asked becasue I did not wan tot bore anyone. Adn I think this takes up less space in the threads.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 21:25
and a late night snack
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 17, 2009, 22:39
another snack at  21:39

Well fed anyway.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 17, 2009, 22:46
I just love watching these little ones.  I have the Radisson and this screen open and watch them both at the same time.  It's hard to believe that they Radisson chicks were ever this small!
 
We get to see more of these ones uncovered as it must be much warmer there than it was in Winnipeg when the Radisson chicks were this small.  It's so cool to watch it all over again.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 18, 2009, 06:35
Nice little pancake chick pile at 7:34 am est.  Radisson is outside on the perch standing guard.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 18, 2009, 08:47
Feeding time.  Hard to see who is getting what as a parent is blocking the view.  They need Trey there to show them how to housekeep.  There are feathers everywhere!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 18, 2009, 09:14
I guess becasue we had rain this morning , they did not do a good job of taking feathers off :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 18, 2009, 09:37
In defense of our girl Radisson; I found something interesting on Froona's site when I was researching avian flu the other day. 

Apparently they need a messy nest to develop their immune systems!  Very interesting read and really Radisson is just being a good mom  ::)

http://falcoperegrinus-froona.blogspot.com/search/label/avian%20flu
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Pchemist June 18, 2009, 09:43
that's why my mom let me eat dirt!  just being a good mom.  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 18, 2009, 09:45
Kewl, thanks for this Carly.  Interesting read.

My Mum always used to say, " you gotta eat a peck of dirt before you die."
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 18, 2009, 14:30
I read that article when they were trying to see what falcon had the messiest nest on BCATW.
I thought to myslef, these will be really healthy chicks ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 18, 2009, 18:40
This chickpile is getting bigger  :o
I guess that happens when you feed them.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 19, 2009, 00:06
22:51
Mom was just on the  perch and took of. I am presuming she is adjacent at the heart building. Shd would not leave the chicks unattended.
last night there was a late night snack. maybe she is preparing  it
A recap of today

16 pictures

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23:07
mom still absent
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: eagle63_1999 June 19, 2009, 00:07
Love the slideshow Bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Alison June 19, 2009, 00:26
Great slideshow, Bev! Thank you!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 19, 2009, 00:27
Thank you for your slide shows, Bev!

Isn't it neat to know Radisson was from a 1 girl, 2 boy nest of P&T!  We'll hope her sister on the ledge in Winnipeg, right now, does as successfully.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 19, 2009, 01:19
In defense of our girl Radisson; I found something interesting on Froona's site when I was researching avian flu the other day. 

Apparently they need a messy nest to develop their immune systems!  Very interesting read and really Radisson is just being a good mom  ::)

http://falcoperegrinus-froona.blogspot.com/search/label/avian%20flu 

Radisson did very well with neat-freak Trey for a dad ... and I can tell you that there really was very little debris on that ledge, mostly just leggs and a few feathers ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 19, 2009, 11:17
Our Miss Radisson is busy with a messy (very fresh) feed for her little ones.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 20, 2009, 11:46
I was at the site last night and got some nice shots which I will post later .
Very busy today.

here is a 10 photo shot of a feed and chicks this morning. 3 are a week old

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Kinderchick June 20, 2009, 17:25
Great slide show, bev. Thanks! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 20, 2009, 19:02
Mom is feeding the fab four... :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 20, 2009, 19:09
This is a lo-o-ong slow dinner!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 20, 2009, 19:36
Chickpile now...oh they are so cute.   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 21, 2009, 20:08
7:08 pm there -- more food.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 21, 2009, 20:25
I am impressed . It looks like mom or dad cleaned house :) :) :)
A few shots from today
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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 21, 2009, 20:32
WOW!!  I'm completely surprised that there is a clean house...this is unusual!
I remember this nestbox last year.    :o
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 21, 2009, 22:44
The nestbox got really bad last year when Radisson was trying to convince Cassie to feed herself - there was more left around for her. These four little ones don't leave much. Remember how we thought Cassie had disappeared at times when she had just disappeared behind a pile of feathers?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 22, 2009, 06:48
7:47 am EST and what a cute little chickpile this morning.  These 4 are so tight, it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins! :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 23, 2009, 08:23
Boy did these 4 grow overnight it seems!!  One of them seems alert and looking around this morning too, looking at mama sitting on the edge of the box. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 23, 2009, 09:28
A slideshow  from yesterday. about 15 pictures. I am going to work on these so I can put beginning and end on them

Still have to post from June19 It is coming

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 23, 2009, 11:59
Three in a chickpile - and the littlest all alone in the opposite corner. Maybe nothing, but I start to worry when I see a little one away from the others. Parent close by, doesn't seem to be worried, though. Maybe doesn't have to, I do enough worrying for everybody!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 23, 2009, 12:35
Feeding time - and all four little beaks open and ready. Guess the little one just didn't want to put in the effort to cross the nestbox - rather wait till they all came to him. :)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 23, 2009, 18:24
Is it warm in Edmonton today?  The chick pile is not as tight as usual.  Maybe the odd one earlier was overheated.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 23, 2009, 18:49
Nice big feed going on.  Looks like Radisson doing the honours.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 24, 2009, 00:30
I t was windy today but they said it got up to 22. I do not think it was there long but it was probably that hot in the nestbox as they would not feel the wind that I did.
supposed to be a nice couple of days


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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 24, 2009, 10:31
Radisson is looking very beautiful in the morning sun perched on the edge, with four contented chicks pancaked in the nest.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: lobi June 24, 2009, 13:13
There seems to be one little chick that spends a lot of alone time in the corner.  It looks a fair bit smaller than the others...I hope it is doing okay.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 24, 2009, 15:54
I see what you mean, Lobi.  It's markedly smaller, and has been in one corner for awhile in an awkward looking position.  Though all chicks are napping, this one doesn't seem to change position between refreshes the way the other three do. 
Anyone seen this one up and about today, and getting fed?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: sami June 24, 2009, 16:14
It's up and about now. It was off by itself yesterday for long periods, too, but when food was around it joined the others. Haven't seen any reason for it to be by itself, but who knows?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 24, 2009, 17:03
And now all are together!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 24, 2009, 18:42
I just love these little ones!!!  Hmmm, I think I write that about all falcon chicks  ;D
Think I'm addicted??   ::)
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: Liz June 24, 2009, 19:02
LOL, join the club allikat! ;D
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: Pchemist June 24, 2009, 21:49
yup! but fortunately we have a good support group.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 24, 2009, 23:28
Yup, we do!  Between the great cam view, and those of us who have different views (pam!) for posting -- this is a great place to be.  We have amazing pics! Thanks to all. 
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 25, 2009, 09:36
It is fairly warm here , compared to what we  had been having but there is a breeze
sometimes one is alone and sometimes they are in pairs. they do what they do.
And sometimes they are together.
Just 7 picutres ,some form yesterday and some from this morning.
one shows them in pairs

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/th_edmontonjune24-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/?action=view&current=5286e573.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 25, 2009, 16:27
That little one sure does spend a lot of time off on it's own.  I noticed that yesterday too.
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: The Peregrine Chick June 25, 2009, 16:45
So long as the weather is warm, its okay for the little one to be on its own, Mom will round them up when she needs to keep them warm/dry.  Remember one of our chicks has been going its own way since they left the tuppernest ...

Basically, there is not necessarily anything wrong with the chick just because it likes to be a bit solitary ...
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 25, 2009, 19:16
Basically, there is not necessarily anything wrong with the chick just because it likes to be a bit solitary ...

Kinda like me   ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 25, 2009, 19:18
So long as the weather is warm, its okay for the little one to be on its own, Mom will round them up when she needs to keep them warm/dry.  Remember one of our chicks has been going its own way since they left the tuppernest ...

Basically, there is not necessarily anything wrong with the chick just because it likes to be a bit solitary ...
It's probably a female..she knows she can handle anything!  Way to be independent!!!   ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 26, 2009, 14:08
I am exhausted  right now  and by tomorrow you will know why.

I  just got off the phone with one of our biologists and the banding will be next Thursday morning. He thought the chicks were 3.5 weeks old but when I said they would be 19 days old and one 18 days  ,he thinks their legs will be big enough to tell the sex.

And I am invited and I get to put the colored tape on their bands
Yes folks we will have colored tape over the bands. I would imagine 4 different colors.

And I mentioned about Elk River and a few other nests and the one in Ontario with the female chick that died with the fungus . He was going to check out Elk  river

He said they should have been able to tell at banding and they will be checking ours and he will bring medication with him and maybe one for fungus also. He said because our male prefers Franklin gulls it is not usually a problem. But they will check what remains are in the nest also.

I will post picutres later but I need a bit of rest here.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Loriann June 26, 2009, 14:09
very cool ! take the man.. take pics !
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 26, 2009, 17:34
Very nice feed with all four chicks attentive and lined up in a row.  Today the chicks seem more paired up during naptime.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 27, 2009, 08:57
cold an windy here today
Feed just finished
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: birdcamfan June 27, 2009, 09:14
Great news on the upcoming banding Bev. Enjoy! Hope you catch up on some sleep this weekend.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Liz June 27, 2009, 10:52
That's exciting new, bev.  What a thrill!  Have a fabulous time.
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: sami June 28, 2009, 19:28
My goodness, the chicks look like they've doubled in size over the weekend. Even the littlest one looks big (well, at least bigger) now.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: BirdLover June 28, 2009, 19:36
I know sami, the chick pile just keeps gettin' bigger!   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: Linder June 28, 2009, 21:50
Hi Bev, checked out the site, saw two snuggled in the front and two in the back. No chick pile.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 28, 2009, 21:56
My goodness, the chicks look like they've doubled in size over the weekend. Even the littlest one looks big (well, at least bigger) now.
Oh I know...aren't they just so cute  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 28, 2009, 22:35
The loner just came over to pile in with the others.
I have to say this again.... what a clean nest!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 28, 2009, 23:16
So far so good.

I will post pictures from last few days tomorrow
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: Alison June 29, 2009, 18:18
I am so glad you will be able to participate in the banding, Bev!

These chicks are so well cared for by both parents:

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: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: allikat June 29, 2009, 18:43
I am actually quite surprised about how clean this nest is....wasn't it a mess last year?
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 29, 2009, 23:27
Alison, thanks for posting the lovely photos.   
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bev. June 30, 2009, 09:56
this nest was a mess last year but probably becasue there was one chick and they kept bringing in more and more food.

I have a cache of pcitures but just can,t seem to get them posted .will try tonight.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: carly June 30, 2009, 10:27
Bev, in preparation for Thursday's banding...to avoid the heart attack from last year - if you are allowed to say anything of course, if not speak in code  ;).  Should we be alarmed if the chicks aren't back in 1 hour or should we just assume they are trying to kidnap Radisson again  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: kittenface June 30, 2009, 11:26
Bev, in preparation for Thursday's banding...to avoid the heart attack from last year - if you are allowed to say anything of course, if not speak in code  ;).  Should we be alarmed if the chicks aren't back in 1 hour or should we just assume they are trying to kidnap Radisson again  ;D
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/emotions/a2929b88ed9d3f1672ee187606265355.gif)
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 30, 2009, 13:05
Thanks, Carly, I was thinking about that episode last year too, and wondered if we should be anticipating the same Thursday.
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: The Peregrine Chick June 30, 2009, 18:10
And I am invited and I get to put the colored tape on their bands
Yes folks we will have colored tape over the bands. I would imagine 4 different colors.

Hey Bev, ask what kind of tape they are using.  If one of our chicks goes down I plan to put tape on their aluminium band given half a chance, but I need to know what kind of tape to be sure when the chicks pick at it (and they will) it won't hurt them any ....

Thanks!
: Re: U of Alberta - June 2009
: bcbird June 30, 2009, 23:04
Another feed, and over quite soon.  Cute lineup of chicks wondering what happened. 
Looks like leftovers from the previous time are still around.  This morning this nest had been quite clean and tidy.
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 01, 2009, 07:38
Does the colored tape help to sort out who's who from a distance, or is there another reason to add it?
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 01, 2009, 07:46
Does the colored tape help to sort out who's who from a distance, or is there another reason to add it?

Exactly right.  You can't read the bands when they're fledging - so the colored tape helps you identify who went where.

We just used colored tape from the dollar store that someone picked up. It's like colored electrical tape.
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 01, 2009, 09:22
Man, those kids are gonna FILL that nestbox when they get bigger.  Just exactly how large is the inside of this nestbox?  It's hard to tell by the camera.
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 01, 2009, 10:14
I will find out what kind of tape Tracy.
The tape is used to identify them better. If peter and I are it this year again then we want to make sure we are not seeing the same juvenile.
I am going to try and get a few people other than us though.
we will see tomorrow.
I am thinking a male and a female for sure. the other 2 I am not sure of .Could be smaller females or larger males so I am saying 2 males a 2 females.
I will find out size of box also but they do have the roof ledge belwo when they are older if need be.




A feed going on now.
sorry I have not been psoting . quite the week and ahof for me and I have been looking after my grandson as well
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/edmontonjuly1-1.jpg)
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: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 01, 2009, 10:39
8 pictures in slide show of feed
click on picture

I keep changing my mind about the sexes but I think after watching the fed I will still say 2 males , 2 females . but it could be 3 females.

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/th_edmontonjuly1-3.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/?action=view&current=54365ce2.pbw)
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 01, 2009, 10:41
Love love love the 2nd pic.... :-*
Perfect expression....."Hi everybody"

: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 01, 2009, 11:23
Just saw your question Carly.
I do  not think they will try and  trap RAdisson this year.  The banding should be over in 45 minutes. by the time they get them down and up again. and I am presuming they are banding in the  room right off the roof ledge. Gord does not believe in stressing them out.
but if it is going to be longer I will try and let someone know somehow.

Smoke signal, sign,   ;D ;D ;D
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 01, 2009, 13:25
Hehe..thanks Bev, I will keep my eyese peeled for wisps of smoke!  And I'm with you, my first thought was 2 girls and 2 boys then I thought no maybe 3 girls but definitely 1 boy. 

Love that shot of the little one looking out of the box, these 4 are seriously very cute.  I've enjoyed watching them and the parents have been fabulous.  Radisson is so much more serious this year isn't she?  She's all grown up now whereas last year she seemed more mischevious and more of a sister to Cassie than a mom sometimes.  No foolin around with a full house though I guess  ::)
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 01, 2009, 19:02
Radisson has been fascinating to watch.  She has seemed very confident with four chicks despite having a nest of one as her only past experience.  A great help is the very experienced male, no doubt.
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 01, 2009, 19:11
I love watching her with her 4 chicks....She's a wonderful Mother and she looks like she's been taking care of more than one chick all of her breeding years! 
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick July 01, 2009, 19:13
Trey's genes  ;D
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 01, 2009, 19:15
I guess there is something to that genetic theory :D
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 01, 2009, 20:43
Ha ha, after that last feeding they were all lined up and reminded me of "Pretty Maids all in a row"!

Too cute.
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 01, 2009, 20:46
they are waiting for me ;) ;)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2014/edmontonjuly1-12.jpg)
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 01, 2009, 20:59
That's it!!  ;D
: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 01, 2009, 21:02
There are talking to each other.. "So where's Bev..she said she would be here by now, do you see her, I don't.  Well now what do we do?  Let's just stay still and look cute cause we know those humans are watching us on that camera....okay everyone,  this is easy....look cute!"
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 00:59
Bev, have a great time at banding!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 07:53
Today's the big day.  Radisson is standing guard on the nestbox this morning, she's looking over her shoulder and the chicks look so cute.  Uh oh.. she's in take off mode...maybe she sees dad with food..and she's off!  Chicks all looking out of the box now...they're huge!!

And she's back with breakfast...going to need a good feed before meeting auntie Bev and getting their new bling  :-*

 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 08:17
A few early morning shots

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev15/edmontonjuly2-7.jpg)
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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 08:19
just a few from feed

And now I have to get organized before I go.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev15/edmontonjuly2-9.jpg)
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(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev15/edmontonjuly2-10.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 08:21
sorry I forgot to do thumbnails

I f something happens and it will take longer I will phone Peter and he will post an email
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 09:10
Good luck Bev...can't wait for pictures and updates.  :)

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: JL July 02, 2009, 10:06
Did Bev mention when the banding will take place?  The chicks are still pancaked out in the nestbox.   ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 10:13
They're eating at the moment JL, that cam is having probs refreshing so I thought they were sleeping too.  Bev said between 10-11 Edmonton time.

I closed it then opened a new window and seems fine now..I've got 2 views open at the same time so I don't miss anything!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 10:19
Uh=oh someone on the roof, Radisson is looking up!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 10:29
Everybody wave to Bev...  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:13
Here we go, men on the roof now!  Pfftt...out of sight now.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: eagle63_1999 July 02, 2009, 11:16
I have the webcam on and it is refreshing and I am watching lol
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:20
Nothing but leftovers and a few feathers in the nest now.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:20
Ok welll mine didn't refresh at all and the chicks are gone now.  Grrr...did you see them take the babies out??
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:22
Ok now suddenly helmet head appears.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:23
Ok now i reopen cam and chicks are in the box??  What the heck is going on>?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:24
I have the webcam on and it is refreshing and I am watching lol

No, I was so hoping to.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 11:26
I'm lost here...cam refreshes with chicks inside  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:26
Have they been banded or not?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:27
I wonder if they turned them off for the banding or too many people and we drew the short straws!  They look traumatized so maybe yes?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:28
They look very much like they want their Mama to come tell them everything is ok now.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:35
Well we missed it all I guess but on the plus side, they were awfully quick.  Poor little mites, look at their eyes..hehe...I know we are scary looking little ones!  Hopefully you were good boys and girls and didn't poo on auntie bev  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:41
Okay......now where is an adult?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:44
Probably out yelling at the helmet heads and making sure they are gone  :P

They might have come in and we missed it though...since we missed everything else  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:47
Oh is that a piece of red colored tape i see on the loner's leg>?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 11:49
I can't wait to hear updates from Bev...
LOL Carly... "I know we are scary looking"
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 11:53
You must have good eyes Carly!  I've been looking and looking for the bands.  

Over to you, Carly and Allikat. I'm off to take my mom for groceries and errands before it gets too hot.  Can hardly wait to hear from Bev, and our Manitoba "Band on the run" with or without the AMOK feature!

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 11:56
Lol..I'm going out for groceries too!  I waited to see the banding before going, we have a big storm coming later today...they said prepare for funnel clouds possibly  :o  Will leave the PC on while I'm gone since it's only 2 blocks away  :P

Poor Bev..she's going to be beseiged..hehe!  We want Bev..we want Bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Loriann July 02, 2009, 12:18
no kidding eh Carly.. first thing i hear on the 6 am news this morning is to watch for funnel clouds with this storm system.. uh ya..  i'll just be going back to bed now... and I"M AWAKE NOW !   ( did he say FUNNEL CLOUDS??)   :o  :o 

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 12:23
no kidding eh Carly.. first thing i hear on the 6 am news this morning is to watch for funnel clouds with this storm system.. uh ya..  i'll just be going back to bed now... and I"M AWAKE NOW !   ( did he say FUNNEL CLOUDS??)   :o  :o 


In your area?  If it's safe to do so, only if it's safe, take some photos.  Hope these storms don't get bad as the meteorologists are saying.  Button down the hatches!  STAY SAFE!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 12:24
Lol..I'm going out for groceries too!  I waited to see the banding before going, we have a big storm coming later today...they said prepare for funnel clouds possibly  :o  Will leave the PC on while I'm gone since it's only 2 blocks away  :P

Poor Bev..she's going to be beseiged..hehe!  We want Bev..we want Bev!
Ya....these storms rolling through are supposed to be pretty intense.  STAY SAFE OUT THERE!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 12:26
From what I can see on the cam...all chicks are sleeping.   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 12:29
I haven't seen the parents back since the banding or did I miss it?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 12:38
I see Radisson back on the outside perch.  I feel better now.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 13:39
Well, guys I am back

It did not go as we thought it would.  Did say we have stress free bandings.  :o :o :o

When I got there was a whole group of people already and they just kept coming.
Poor Gord ,when he got off the elevator, looked shocked
We do not know who notified the press but man oh man.
won't go into that right now but Peter will download the pictures I could get when he gets home.

 the T.V.  cameras kept pushing me away . I finally got up  front. It was difficult for our bander as he kept getting shoved in the back with a camera. I had to let him put on  the tape as I had no room. There were a couple of nice reporters.

I will write up my report with Pictures later.

But we have 3  males and 1 female . Hopefully tape stays on as it was hard to do with such cramped quarters

Female-07  Black tape  I will not name them but will call this one Froona (in her honor)
            X

male -  96  Red tape
            V

male  - 81 White tape
           V
male -  85 yellow tape
           V           
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 13:45
1 female & 3 males....WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (way to go Radisson and Damon)
Can't wait for the pictures Bev....sounds like it was a mad-house  :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 13:48
Awww..3 boys and 1 little mini radisson  :-* :-* :-* :-*  sorry about the press thing Bev, on the plus side..if there is one..perhaps people may volunteer to help with fledge watch now.

Can't wait to see the photos!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 14:10
Judy Huck from the web cam took a lot of picutres and has posted them on the site. I will give you a quicker link

http://www.falconcam.med.ualberta.ca/album/Banding2009/index.html
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Pchemist July 02, 2009, 14:15
that was great, bev!  thanks for posting that link.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 02, 2009, 14:18
Terrific pics Bev. Thanks for those.
I'm sorry that things didn't go as planned but you know what reporters are like.  They can be the scourge of the earth at times.
Nice to know that they are all fat and  happy.  Three boys and a girl!! Nice, and I like Froona, that's a great name!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 14:19
Awww...thanks for those.  They looked quite comfortable actually, loved the last one.
Probably a different story being there...
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 14:27
Thanks for the link Bev.  The chicks didn't look too impressed.  Maybe all the people freaked them out.  I haven't seen a parent come around since I saw Radisson for a very brief visit about 2 hours ago. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 14:28
I will post mine tonight . I have some good closeups and some of the adults.
 I have to go back and look at the numbers but the one closest to me was very feisty which is good.

like anything else there has to be education and so hopefully the media will get it out there.
I think part of today was j ust that we ere only expecting 5 to 6 of us and had no time to organize anything  and of course  no one thinks  of the stress to the birds. Just education.

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 14:30
the parents are sitting right across from the nest box, so not to worry. They are making sure no one comes back. and they probably know the chicks need a breather.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 02, 2009, 14:30
great pictures .. thanks!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 14:30
Oh they're adorable!!!  Thanks for the link Bev.  Are those your painted toe nails we are seeing in the photos with the sandals?   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Loriann July 02, 2009, 14:31
man they looked ANNOYED lol....  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Pchemist July 02, 2009, 14:32
I like the 9th photo where the chick has one foot up a bit.  kinda looks like there's some toe-tapping going on.   8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: jadoo July 02, 2009, 14:48
...4th last photo - "come back! - I'll bite your ankles off!"  -  maybe you should name that chick "Cleese"...
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 15:06
Ja doo

that chick was closest to me. what a hoot . It is very feisty and kept wandering. The others stayed put.

And those were not my toenails, although mine were painted also ;) ;)

back out to the lawn
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 15:11
that chick was closest to me. what a hoot . It is very feisty and kept wandering.

He wanted to come home with you  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 15:22
Here's the link for the article of the banding this morning.   ;D

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Technology/Peregrine+chicks+banded/1752832/story.html
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 15:33
Thanks JL and lookie a parent is home and the chicks are telling her what they thought about the banding:D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 16:18
Those photos in the link you gave were great.  Thanks, Bev. 

It looked like those chicks were LOUD in their opinion of the paparazzi, though they were certainly very photogenic.

Looking forward to your pictures too.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick July 02, 2009, 16:28
Hey Bev ... nice photos so far, can't wait to see yours!

Have a question about the article ...
Each falcon was strapped with a silver band that contained numbers that enable Alberta’s fish and wildlife division to track the bird. The birds were also equipped with a black band that can be read with a telescope and coloured bands that local birdwatchers track. Those bands eventually will fall off.

the "fall off" bands the reporter refers to, s/he actually means the tape will fall off, right?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 16:44
Reporters sometimes ;) ;)
yes, the colored tape will fall off. It was wrapped around the silver band not the one with the Band numbers.
Gord did use electrical tape. he said it would adhere and not be a problem. Hopefully it stays on till after they are out of danger.

I am going over to read Bran dons.
We had 3 males and you had 3 females. we need the males though.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 17:23
Good, first meal I see since the banding.  Little darlings must be starved.   ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 17:46
Three bulging crops, bur one little one mostly watched.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Moonstar July 02, 2009, 19:35
Judy Huck from the web cam took a lot of picutres and has posted them on the site. I will give you a quicker link

http://www.falconcam.med.ualberta.ca/album/Banding2009/index.html


Great pictures.  Chicks do not look too pleased in some of them but they are so cute.  But then they do have great genes in them.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 19:57
Peter is working on my pictures but I made it on the news

I am the funny one in purple taking pictures and being interviewed. If I had known they were going to interview me I would have dressed up. Gord is interviewed also

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 20:03
I just watched the video Bev...You were wonderful. ;)
What a amazing experience. 
And why would you write you're the funny one...you looked (as carly wrote) fabulous!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 20:12
Awesome interview Bev and no worries, you looked fabulous!!  I loved hearing the little ones .... *sigh* I hear that noise in my head all the time now  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 02, 2009, 20:59
More pics of the banding, scroll through, there are 11 of them and no wonder they're peeved!!  Someone held me up that way, I'd be hissy too  :P

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/2009/07/02/10006356.html

And we made CBC too!  Radisson's kids are famous!!  We'll have to get them an entourage now  ;D

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2009/07/02/edmonton-peregrine-banding.html
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 21:08
I had a feeling that this year was going to be a GREAT year for the falcons...(I wrote that awhile back, can't remember where though  ::))
meaning, news coverage, interviews etc....this is what we phanatics want.
Peregrines in the news!   :D

I scrolled through those pics Carly....yeah, I would be hissy if I was held like that too  ;D  Oh...but they are just so sweet and cute  :-*

I still want one!   ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 21:48
Bev, great (unexpected) interview! 
You were very wellspoken and didn't look "funny" at all.
Way to go!

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: eagle63_1999 July 02, 2009, 22:10
Way to go Bev! Great interview. And I see Gordon Court is part of the banding to.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 02, 2009, 22:33
Good job Bev. Those are some peeved off looking birds. Great to see parts of the site, it puts things in perspective if you've never been there.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 02, 2009, 22:43
That was an excellent interview, Bev, and I agree with Carly, you looked fabulous! Great to see the falcons on the news and being appreciated.

Thank you also for the link to the great banding photos from earlier. The chicks obviously weren't happy, but they didn't seem too stressed.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 22:54
I finally finished my slide show. I put start and end this time so you know.

what a day!!!
Lots of unexpected guests but we made do anyway.  I guess it is good to get the birds out there.

Christine from Fish and wildlife was there. She was in the green jacket. Gord did some PR and I forget the name of the bander. We met last year but memory is dim .
When I finally managed to get where the chicks were , I was in awe of them.  :-* :-*

Radisson and Damon circled and cacked up a storm. RAdisson finally went over to the  heart building and perched and cacked  from there, while Damon continually made passes. Even though I know the chicks and adults were a bit stressed , the flying was superb to watch.

The chicks were only 19 days old but the bander could tell the sexes. They are well fed kids.
The females legs were so much bigger that it was a no brainer. it is harder to see this in the box.


The poor souls made a lot of noise but Froona was the feistiest.(white tape)
 I only named her, in honor of our dear friend from the Netherlands, who passed away this year.
She was very mobile. I had to move the banding tools a few times . I was afraid she would  hurt herself. She fell over once and I tried to help her out. She just told me in no uncertain terms what to do ;D ;D

Since we only thought there would be 4 or 5 of us (we were very crowded) which made it hard for the bander.

I was supposed to put the tape on after the bands were on the chicks but I could not get any room. So I tore off the tape and the bander did it.
It is electrical tape and hopefully it will stay on.

I had to do a few surprise interviews . Not  my fortier  but Gord thought it would be good to get another perspective.

We put the chicks back as soon as we could but since we were still on the roof, Damon continued to circle. Gord finally moved everyone inside.

These guys always amaze and fascinate me.
when I left Radisson and Damon were side by side on the heart building

I know a few were worried but remember they are never far away.

Now in a few weeks the fun begins. ::) ::)

Click on  the word start

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 22:58
I guess the redtailed hawks in Alberta are having issues with the drought. there is not enough food so most nests only had one chick because they only incubated one.
some deserted nests because there was not enough food to go around. so sad but hopefully next year will be better
it was interesting to talk to the bander.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 02, 2009, 22:59
Absolutely loved the slideshow, Bev. Great photos of the chicks, Radisson and Damon.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 02, 2009, 23:00
We certainly saw what you mean by the flying, Bev. The Brandon pair were amazing. You really have to see it live to appreciate what those birds can do.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 02, 2009, 23:04
Great explanations Bev...thank you!
I also love the photos....
I also wanted to comment on that one of the chicks is named Froona.  Very touching!  She would be honored! 
Radisson is beautiful......she looks an aweful lot like Trey!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 02, 2009, 23:05
What a great slide show Bev.  I liked your captions, too.  Do you think maybe your favourite is Froona?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: eagle63_1999 July 02, 2009, 23:08
Bev, what kind of camera did you and your hubby buy? It is a digital camera no doubt.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 02, 2009, 23:13
Thanks for sharing your slideshow, Bev.  Awesome shots of Damon, he's quite the looker.   8)  Love the shot "Take your picture and leave"!   ;D  I've watched it 5x already.   ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 23:13
We are having a rain storm right now.Thunder also
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 02, 2009, 23:21
I  really have no favorites. they were all so precious.
but because of the great crusader Froona was for the falcons and such a  wealth of information , I had to name the female for her. I am glad there was only one female because then i would have had to choose. making a decision  is not one of my strengths.

Eagle 63
My camera that my husband bought for me  is a Nikon D5000. Yes it is digital and I have a 18-200 zoom attachment

Now I need lots of lessons. So far I just point and shoot and pray ;D ;D

We are learning videos but I was too caught up in things today to take any.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: eagle63_1999 July 02, 2009, 23:24
Yeah I will have a new Digital camera next month, can't wait. 

Glad you had such a great opportunity photographing Damon and Radisson!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 03, 2009, 08:04
Awesome slideshow Bev, that's obviously a quality cam you got - the photos were so crisp and clear!  Love seeing the parents too, really all we see is their behinds when they come in and out of the box these days so it's great to see them in the air!

I'm sure Froona would be honored to know you named a chick after her  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 03, 2009, 12:31
I think the chicks are still shell shocked. :) :)
Not too much action
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 04, 2009, 10:13
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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 04, 2009, 11:40
Awesome bev. once again, I thank you.  I try to have this site up beside the Radisson chicks but I sometimes miss the good stuff.  They are getting so big and in no time flat they will be entertaining us immensely like the Wpg. chicks.
I love the third pic where the squonk is going on!

Keep sending the great shots!  I love 'em.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 04, 2009, 11:47
Hee hee, that 5th pic looks like a little one got sent to the corner and is looking back saying, "I'm sorry, I won't do it again."  :(
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 04, 2009, 18:13
Checking in on Radisson and gang.  Mom is feeding them all now and looks like the boys have edged Froona out for a change..hehe!  I can't believe how big and fluffy they're getting  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 04, 2009, 19:13
great pictures .....

the way the camera is it make the babies look so small, but when i looked at the banding pictures it showed how big the babies really are
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 04, 2009, 19:17
I love watching Radisson with her chicks....she's a pretty wonderful Mom. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 05, 2009, 19:44
The chicks are alert more now-a-days, they remind me of little Cassie from last year looking out of the box.  One of them yells alot too, must be the girl..lol..two days in a row now I see her beak open wide and she's looking up like she's yelling for food or maybe she's saying 'boys, blech, boys  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 05, 2009, 19:59
The chicks are alert more now-a-days, they remind me of little Cassie from last year looking out of the box.  One of them yells alot too, must be the girl..lol..two days in a row now I see her beak open wide and she's looking up like
she's yelling for food or maybe she's saying 'boys, blech, boys  ;D
LOL Carly.... :D

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 05, 2009, 20:31
They seem to have done another double-in-size-over-the-weekend stunt. Caught them sitting up and looking out of the nest box. The littlest one still looks little, though.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 05, 2009, 21:24
Often I, too, am reminded of our Cassie last summer when these guys peer out.  Especially cute is when they rest their chin on the edge.  They seem so much bigger now, but think of the excitement and crowding when they get to the flapping stage!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 05, 2009, 23:20
I f you had seen them at the banding, the  little one was not so little ;)
I have been out most of the weekend but will post picutres again tomorrow
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 06, 2009, 12:03
Few shots form this morning. we are to have a lot of rain over the next few days
their  tail feathers are coming in and changing by the minute

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 06, 2009, 12:08
Great shots Bev...Love them.

Feed me, feed me, feed me, feed me....sleep!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: nibs July 06, 2009, 13:59
Beautiful pics! Do they ever "dwarf" the parent with their size.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 06, 2009, 15:23
Must be the male?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 06, 2009, 21:33
I had a quick stop over today at he site.
both parents were on the ledges at College Plaza .they can get protection from wind and rain there and still see kids.
and kids can see them
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: gramma July 06, 2009, 21:35
Great pictures.  I also couldn't believe how small the parent looked surrounded by the four chicks.  As you say it must be the male. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 06, 2009, 22:31
Oh how they grow up soooo fast...*sigh*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 06, 2009, 23:10
A few more shots of the kids .
You can really see their changes
they are snuggling because of the cool damp weather.

Hope it stays away from Winnipeg for a few days

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 06, 2009, 23:44
When did all those black feathers come in?  Wow!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 07, 2009, 08:04
yup!! you blink an eye and they change

cold and raining today. All huddled together

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 07, 2009, 11:19
A very wet adult and it is like a monsoon here in St. Albert. I do not know if it is as bad in edmonton. But looks pretty wet also

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 07, 2009, 11:28
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I like to make sure all get fed.

they seem to move in and out and all get their share.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 07, 2009, 11:32
Poor Radisson looks soooo wet! Like soggy Princess that very rainy day we had not so long ago.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 07, 2009, 16:58
Guess the rain is doing the humidity thing with the camera again. 

Chicks all fluffy and snug.  They have grown again!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 07, 2009, 17:31
 :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 07, 2009, 18:14
Meal time again.  Parent doesn't look quite as bedraggled and wet as earlier. 

It does look like it is still raining outside the nestbox, though.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 07, 2009, 20:06
We are to have rain for the next 3  days ::) ::) ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 07, 2009, 21:04
An adult leaving the box
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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 09, 2009, 16:24
That's a pretty cool shot bev.  I like it!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 09, 2009, 23:32
I will make a slideshow tomorrow of some of my shots.
I am bogged down at the moment.
trying to plan a fled watch here but not as easy as in Winnipeg.

I was at the site tonihgt and 2 very wet parents drying out. Dad was over at the college Plaza, keeping dry but could see the kids.
Mom was on south side of nest building trying to keep warm.
It is damn cold here and soggy.

A bit later one was flying in front of nest building as Stars helicopter came in . This could prove a challenge for the kids this year.
the Heli pad used to be way behind the nest building , now it is on the new heart building where the kids played last year :o :o
It is not the helicopter so mush as the blades.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 10, 2009, 19:31
i wish I could do the photo thing, because this is too cute -- all four shoulder to shoulder along the front of the box. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 10, 2009, 20:15
These 4 are adorable, they are such a tight knit little pod.  Two of them are turned facing each now as if they're having a conversation...very cute  :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 11, 2009, 19:13
Just snuck in to put up a slide show of the last few days.
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 11, 2009, 19:34
Thanks Bev.  I've had the cam up all evening while I"m reading.  So nice to see them so active now instead of just snoozing...although I'd watch them even if that's all they were doing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 11, 2009, 20:49
The rate of progression day by day of the dark feathers is fairly impressive.  They are starting to look a little crowded too.  Won't it be interesting once the wingercising starts!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 12, 2009, 23:45
There is at least one chick that loves looking out, so I'm watching cam 3 often. Just a bit ago, I wondered if one chick was standing on the nest box edge!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 13, 2009, 08:12
caught 2 on the nest box rim this morning .was not able to watch for 2 days so  :o :o
Looks like Radisson is starting to leave bigger bits of pry in box for kids to start self feed lessons. I remember when she did this last year

I am organizing a watch in conjunction with Louise at the Uni. very nervous about it .
We will see how it goes.

I am most nervous about if one comes to the ground.  i hope I have people to retrieve when I need them to.
A few shots from this morning

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: moka July 13, 2009, 09:15
Always great updates and pictures, Bev!

Good luck with the watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 13, 2009, 09:34
WOW   :o
They have grown sooo much!
Thanks for those pictures Bev.   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 13, 2009, 11:27
I'm so glad you caught a shot of the edge perch, Bev. 
When are you figuring fledge watch will start?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 13, 2009, 13:25
I am going to start it on Monday, that will be day 37 .

I am nervous to be following 4. I have some volunteers and so we sill see how it goes. I will be having a meeting Thursday night, and a man from one of the raptor centres will try and teach Peter how to handle the falcons if one comes to the ground and I have Eli and a lady form Red Deer that knows how to handle Raptors.
so Hopefully we can cover it. I also have a few other volunteers
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 13, 2009, 14:06
Sounds like a promising start Bev, we will all be there with you in spirit!  Here's hoping for a safe and successful fledging season for Radisson's brood  ;) 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 13, 2009, 15:15
Hoping all goes very well Bev. Leave some time to rest too!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 13, 2009, 18:14
Bev, one of the boys was perched on the ledge about 15 minutes ago but he jumped back into the box.  They all seemed to be dazzled by something in the sky...probably a parent flying by.

I notice they have the call out for fledge watchers on the web site as well...see what you've started ...a revolution  ;)  I hope people volunteer to help you out!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 13, 2009, 19:55
I am going to start it on Monday, that will be day 37 .

I am nervous to be following 4. I have some volunteers and so we sill see how it goes. I will be having a meeting Thursday night, and a man from one of the raptor centres will try and teach Peter how to handle the falcons if one comes to the ground and I have Eli and a lady form Red Deer that knows how to handle Raptors.
so Hopefully we can cover it. I also have a few other volunteers
Hope all goes well with the fledge watch Bev....Maybe you should teach them the waddlestompfaceplant as the falcon's should recognize that.  Okay...maybe not.  They will just continue to look at us like we're weird lookin'!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 13, 2009, 21:56
I need bccs to teach me the falcon dance :) :)

the parents have been doing a lot of flying today. I was done there. Love to watch them. will try and post pictures .

 I do not think I  will get a lot of sleep . It stays light here till after 10Pm and it is light before 5.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 13, 2009, 22:14
Good luck Bev and happy fledge watching! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 13, 2009, 22:47
The chicks have changed so much since I last saw them before the weekend.

Bev, I think you will do a great job with the fledge watch. I was happy to see the notice on the site asking for volunteers.

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I love the expression:

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 13, 2009, 23:03
Great shots Allison.
I asked them to post that on the site. I figured maybe there were a few people from Edmonton that watch the cam and would like to help.

I am bringing timbits.

Peter made posters with a picture of a juvenile to put around the campus  and we gave one to the construction workers below the nest box. and I am making a few bookmarks with a falcon picture on them to give to volunteers.
thanks for all the good wishes.
Every time I see one step on the rim I wonder if I should go out the door. ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 13, 2009, 23:06
I asked them to post that on the site. I figured maybe there were a few people from Edmonton that watch the cam and would like to help.

Peter made posters with a picture of a juvenile to put around the campus  and we gave one to the construction workers below the nest box. and I am making a few bookmarks with a falcon picture on them to give to volunteers.

I thought it might have been your idea . . .

Great idea also about the posters. That could be really helpful in case someone finds a fledgling on the ground. Fingers crossed for safe fledging for all four of these beautiful chicks.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 14, 2009, 08:33
yikes, I do not want him doing that yet. It is windy and cold today

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 14, 2009, 08:55
i have been noticing that when Radisson feeds she feeds 2 first and then the other 2 what a  gal.
they are also doing some self feeding
10 pictures in slideshow and I think I duplicated some . Must be tired

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 14, 2009, 09:17
an assortment of shots form yesterday
15 pictures
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 14, 2009, 12:13
Looks like they have little afros! The little one still has a lot of white. It's hard to tell when I check the cam, as the picture seems to be out of focus.Thanks for the pics, bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 14, 2009, 13:11
Poor little Froona, she's alone in the corner watching in horror as her fast turning brown bro's have a bit of a flap fest and climb up and down on the lip of the nestbox.  Oh no...now they've surrounded her...help me Bev..get me away from these creepy boys before they knock me out of the box  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 14, 2009, 13:12
Poor little Froona, she's alone in the corner watching in horror as her fast turning brown bro's have a bit of a flap fest and climb up and down on the lip of the nestbox.  Oh no...now they've surrounded her...help me Bev..get me away from these creepy boys before they knock me out of the box  :P
Boys.................... ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 14, 2009, 14:33
Yeah, she sure is still fluffy compared to the brothers.  Somehow it's hard to imagine her turning into a big attitude chick like her Auntie Vesper.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 14, 2009, 16:08
Wow, those two have been sitting out at the opening of the nest box for ages and they look so magnificent.  They remind me so much of our Winnipeg kids that I feel like I am reliving the whole thing.  Just from a different angle. LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 14, 2009, 16:23
Wow, those two have been sitting out at the opening of the nest box for ages and they look so magnificent.  They remind me so much of our Winnipeg kids that I feel like I am reliving the whole thing.  Just from a different angle. LOL


Isn't it great to be able to see P&T's grandkids on cam  :D  With 3 boys, one of them is bound to inherit Trey's cleaning gene  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 14, 2009, 17:00
Well, from what I have seen in that nest so far, they haven't inherited that gene. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 14, 2009, 17:05
Great pics Bev. They look like some child has gone mad gluing them with cotton balls! It's great to still have some babies to watch.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 15, 2009, 06:33
Three standing on the lip of the nestbox this morning...all lined up waiting for breakie...7:32 am EST.  Lone girlie in the nestbox in the corner.  ;)  Gosh they are adorable  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 15, 2009, 14:21
a few shots form this Morna. I am running around here trying to get organized.

First time white band was up and on the ledge
they are no near ready yet and better wait till Monday day37

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 15, 2009, 14:32
They sure look cute with all the"tufts" of fluff sticking out all over.  Seems like just a week ago that the Wpg. kids looked like that!  How time flies! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 15, 2009, 20:25
OK, that last look was just uber cute.  I am looking at camera 2 and one of the little ones was looking up directly at the camera as if to say, "I see you!"   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 15, 2009, 21:35
Looks like the bedtime snack may have arrived.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 16, 2009, 10:35
growing all too quickly slideshow from yesterday
click

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 16, 2009, 12:12
need to get some work done now but here is a slide show from jsut now.
Mom brought in a  whole bird for them to work on. (self feed  101  ;D ;D)
click on picutre

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 16, 2009, 12:44
Awww...great shots Bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 16, 2009, 14:17
Thanks Bev.  Those are terrific.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 16, 2009, 16:35
Yesterday I saw mom bring in a prey and leave it.  The looks on their faces...priceless..!  What is this  :o??  What the heck do we do with it  ??????  I dunno, why you asking me?  Moooooooooooooooooooooommmm!!

Great shots Bev!  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 16, 2009, 22:05
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAH...couldn't of said that any better Carly!  LOL! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 17, 2009, 09:35
When I was down for my fedge meeting last night the 3 males were on the perch and mom was up above the nest box (on a pillar).dad was across at the heart building.

If it is anything like last year the parents are now starting to position themselves in places where they want the kids to fledge to.

the opening of the Heart building was yesterday so I know why the kids were looking down so much.

some shots from this morning . one shows 2 self feeding.
where did my babies go :-(  :-(
they have sure grown quickly, it seems.

fledge watch starts Monday. I am praying for no incidents.

the parents will soon be doing  fly bys  with food to encourage the kids ot fly. I do not expect this until Monday.

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 17, 2009, 15:00
Great photos, bev! Thanks! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick July 18, 2009, 00:08
Looking at those photos, I think you will have a few extra days before the kids start flying ... the puffaloons are a bit too big yet.  Refresh my memory, how far is it from the box to the roof of the building?  I could maybe see them hopping to the rooftop and then runningaround for a couple more days before actually getting real wind under their wings.  But all of that is based on your photos - so do be sure to let us know when your kids "leap" ...
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 18, 2009, 00:57
As I looked at them today and  I thought Monday would be too soon .but it is day 37 on Monday and I wanted eyes just in case. They have not done any major flapping  either. Lots  of white left also. the longer they wait the better as far as I am concerned. Then the female will be more mature also. I do not want her going becasue the boys took the leap.
Sometimes they do go hop , flap down on the roof ledge for a few days.

I plan on phoning Peter when one fledges and he will post it here.
I am training him now LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 18, 2009, 09:13
From this morning.Last 2 shots are of all 4 :o :on ledge.First time I have seen FRoona on ledge .
you can see the difference in size now and her darker feathers are coming in fast.

self feeding
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I  see you
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This is the face of our young miss
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all 4 up on ledge and she has one wing out
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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 18, 2009, 10:38
I am thinking that red banded male will go first.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 18, 2009, 11:59
They are beautiful! 
Good luck with the fledge watch Bev...did you manage to get a crew put together for ground cover?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 18, 2009, 12:47
Everytime I look they are changing. and they are using the old wings now.

And I have quite a few volunteers but a lot of shifts lacking .
Eli is offering her expertise when she can and I sure appreciate that. I t will be different than just Peter and I because we went and came as we wished but with 4 I think they need more watching. we will try it.

the main thing is to get it out there and for people to be more aware.
i am praying everything goes well   and no mishaps. these guys look like they could be spunky. LOL
another slide show

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 18, 2009, 17:28
Ack I go away for a day and one of the boys is out on the ledge..on the far wrung flapping his brains out!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 19, 2009, 00:05
The time has come!!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 19, 2009, 08:34
They have been flapping. I ma thinking tomorrow is a good day then.


I need today to rest so they better not try anything.

Missed shots on outside wrung yesterday as I was at Genesse but here is one this morning.
We had 2 horrible storms last night so it is good they had not fledged yet

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 19, 2009, 08:50
slideshow form yesterday
click on picture

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 19, 2009, 09:05
Two of them were out on the wrungs earlier this morning Bev but the one jumped back into the box after awhile and hasn't gone back out onto them.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 19, 2009, 12:29
What a motley-looking crew!  You can sure see the size difference when they're on the ledge. 

Looking at those photos, I think you will have a few extra days before the kids start flying ... the puffaloons are a bit too big yet. 
"puffaloons"  ;D another good word! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 19, 2009, 12:47
I need them off the ledge today. We have high winds and another major storm blowing in. St. Albert is getting it now.

Oh good , yellow band flew inside.

I will put up another sldieshow in a bit and that is it for a bit.
I will below starting tomorrow at 5:30am . I am tired already  ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 19, 2009, 12:57
Have a good rest, bev! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 19, 2009, 16:44
I have figured out a system with Peter.
He is going to come and post during the day if there is a fledge and he will say who fledged and where they went and if all is O.K.
I do not expect one tomorrow but I asked hubby if he would do that so you would not worry.
He will continue to do this while he is at work until fledge is over.

Off to Lion King now .
and it just so happens to be around the corner from the nest box. ;) ;) (Jubilee Auditorium). we will  test  out our radios.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 19, 2009, 16:52
enjoy bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 19, 2009, 19:33
Enjoy the movie Bev!  Good luck with the fledge coming up and hopefully not any big winds in sight for Edmtn.  Will be watching the camera and the posts!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 19, 2009, 20:22
I have figured out a system with Peter.
He is going to come and post during the day if there is a fledge and he will say who fledged and where they went and if all is O.K.
I do not expect one tomorrow but I asked hubby if he would do that so you would not worry.
He will continue to do this while he is at work until fledge is over.


Great idea Bev...What a man!  Sounds like you've got everything under control!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 04:54
5:53 am EST and it's dark there  :o  I can see two on the outside cam view (Cam 3), looks like they are dozing on the edge of the nest box.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 20, 2009, 09:52
Just re-read my post of last night...........winds?........what winds?.........is the nest box well sheltered? .....sounds like the weather was wild last night!!!!!!!  Everyone okay?  Hope the fledge will go well now that the weather has passed.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 20, 2009, 10:01
I am assuming that it is Froona with the most baby fluff and the noticeable "puffaloons".  The boys seem to have lost theirs now.  Second breakfast just arrived!  Great fun to be able to watch it all! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 10:14
Two out on the ledge rungs now.  Parent came in with food a few mintues ago, beak fed one for 2 bites and then took off with the prey.

The boys still have a bit more white on them than I'd like to see before they take off but that last parental tease seems to have lured another outside and he started flapping. 

And yes Froona is the one with the 'puffaloons'!  Great Word!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Moonstar July 20, 2009, 10:25
"puffaloons" should go in the dictionary or word place...can't remember what it is called.
 :-[   :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 20, 2009, 13:34
One out on the furthest rung...........flapping wings or trying to fly?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 14:02
One out on the furthest rung...........flapping wings or trying to fly?

They have opted to give Auntie Bev a day or two to break her in slowly  :P 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 20, 2009, 14:14
That's so very considerate of them :)  Breathe Bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 20, 2009, 14:41
Way to go kids!  Just flap!  No need to fly yet!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 20, 2009, 14:59
Flapping is good - no need to jump out into space yet, little ones.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 17:24
Not sure if anyone noticed but one of the juvies is no longer in the box.  If you look on cam 1 view you can see him coming and in and out of view.  He's on the other ledge.

Just had a call from Bev and she pointed it out to me..lol..I was cooking dinner and didn't notice he snuck out.  But no need to panic, Bev is there looking out for them.  Radisson has been doing fly bys and has also been on the lower platform trying to show them where they could land if they took off.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 18:31
Parent - not sure if that's Damon or Radisson..could be dad.. on the roof with prey in her talons!!  Okay on roof now for 10 minutes without moving - except her head.  All looking over to side at one point and now down...what is going on over there!!  Gah...!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 20, 2009, 18:47
Oh Carly...you're too cute!!! 
But yes ....GAH!!!!
Where is "Mr. Bev" with the updates?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 20, 2009, 18:51
Is there not one lying down in the nest while the other three are on the ledges?  Maybe an optical illusion!  Not sure ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 19:03
Not unless he snuck back in Ellie...which he could have.  I've gotten up and down a few times so may have missed it.  And I haven't seen his little head on that other ledge for the past hour.  Bev said he was catwalking on that other part...and I did see his head bobbing in and out of the cam view while I was on the phone with her and then he disappeared.  She said he walked over there...I'm not sure what it looks like, I forget but obviously they can walk to that area because I thought he flew and she said no he walked.  Or is it much closer than it appears and he just hopped over?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 20, 2009, 19:30
Not sure Ellie, but what I saw before looked like remains of a meal.  I can only count 3 right now. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 20:14
Just spoke to Mr Bev  ;) and the male is still out on the other platform and can't seem to figure out how to get back home.  They wanted to know if I could see the bands on the remaining 2 in the box and the one on the ledge but I can't.  Cam 1 is clear but I can't see the tape and Cam 2 is foggy  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 20, 2009, 20:33
I can't make them out either Carly!  Too blurry!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 20, 2009, 20:42
Well at least we know he's safe and they'll keep him fed.  At least it's not raining  :P

I'm off to bed now, 5:30 am comes early!  Night and happy falcon watching!  I'll look for Bev's report first thing in the morning!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 20, 2009, 20:47
Cam 3 is really foggy!  Cam 2 seems to have 2 in the box, Cam 1 is clear too -- half a bird leaning out of the box.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 20, 2009, 20:49
Well at least we know he's safe and they'll keep him fed.  At least it's not raining  :P

I'm off to bed now, 5:30 am comes early!  Night and happy falcon watching!  I'll look for Bev's report first thing in the morning!
Night Carly!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 20, 2009, 21:01
Have a good sleep, carly!  :)

I think we can see 3 of them, and Peter (Mr. bev) can see the other.  Cam 1 has 3 birds.  We just can't see the boy on OUR left-hand side of cam 3 thru sis.  She's in the middle of cam 1
Just spoke to Mr Bev  ;) and the male is still out on the other platform
That makes 4, right? 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 20, 2009, 21:02
None of them look distressed.  Perhaps that means that the one on the lower platform doesn't seem to be "lost" or making any distress calls either?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 20, 2009, 22:30
Just got back from my falcon fledge shift at the Clinical Sciences Building, where I joined Bev, Peter and two other devoted falcon watchers.  The male chick on the lower part of the white structure is safe.  He would prefer to be back in the nestbox, but cannot figure out how to do so, especially with so many bars in his way.  He is o.k., and of course the parents know where he is, but he did not get fed at the 8:30 p.m. feeding, so he is not a happy camper.  He is not starving, though, and we believe the adults are trying to get him out and and about.  We will see how things go with him tomorrow.  We all left about 9:00 p.m. Mountain Daylight Time as it looked like the parents were tucking in for the night, after dad finished his meal on a near-by building.  Bev will be out there again first thing tomorrow, and I will be there again tomorrow night.  I believe we have a pretty good group together of falcon watchers, so if anything should go amiss, we will be there. 

I am sure Bev will report later when she gets home - she had a long day now there. 

That's all for now, folks.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 20, 2009, 22:37
That's great Eli!  Thanks for the report.  Nice to hear what is going on when we don't get to see!  Have a good rest and a great day tomorrow!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 05:05
Good morning!  Thank you Eli for the report!  It's 6:04 am and I can see a dark silouette out on the wrungs and I think 2 huddled in the nestbox.  Hope our lone wanderer passed a good night.  Should be an exciting day today as no doubt he will be forced to fly for food  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 06:44
7:41 am ESt and just arrived at work to find one boy on top of the nest box on the roof and 2 still on edge of ledge!  Boy oh boy Bev is going to have an exciting day!!!  Good luck today Bev and Peter and Eli  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 07:09
Since we're on a Star Trek theme...May the Force be With you!!  No wait, that's Star Wars  ::) ...okay well since it's space week... and falcons fly ....  !   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 11:21
These guys are looking like they are not going anywhere..lol!  Haven't seen a feeding yet today either unless I missed it during my meetings!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 14:10
That one on the top in the far corner reminds me of Cassie last year..she did the same thing trying to get shade.  Hope he doesn't tumble...
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 14:31
Leaving office now for not so top secret mission...to Wal Mart to buy new coffee machine to replace one that blew up this am. 

Keep an eye on the poor juvie on the roof if you can until I get home...I'm scared he might fall as he's trying so hard to get out of the sun over there.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 14:46
Oh, I soooo wish I knew how to do the picture thing here    :-[

That little guy is practically around the corner he is trying so hard to get out of the sun.

What a very strange sight!!!   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 14:54
Whew! the shade is coming around.  Time to relax a little but still hanging onto the corner for dear life. LOL

 :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 21, 2009, 16:02
This is my first crack at this as I am doing this for my wife. So if someone out there can post this properly to the sites, I would appreciate it.

Bev called me and wanted to post that the chick on the platform is doing fine. It is the one with the white band (youngest male). It got a food drop today and is getting plenty of wing exercise.

The other 3 have been fed and doing well. The other 2 males are flapping and going on the rungs and the roof of the nest box. Bev is down there all day and I will join her tonight after work. She has some help from other fledge watchers as well.

Please forgive my blog protocol/etiquette as this is my first time and I am probably doing this wrong.  Carly, sorry about last night, my phone went dead    (MR. BEV)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 21, 2009, 16:08
Please forgive my blog protocol/etiquette as this is my first time and I am probably doing this wrong.
Thanks for your report, Mr. Bev! Good to hear all is well with the about-to-be "fledglings"! You did just fine with your post!!! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick July 21, 2009, 16:09
You are doing perfectily Mr Bev!!  Big round of applause.
Pass along to Bev that we appreciate the updates on our Radisson's kids!

Tracy
The Peregrine Chick
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 21, 2009, 16:09
Hi, Peter!  You did fine - a very good, and very informative, blog.  Will see you and Bev tonight at the site.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 16:10
You did GREAT MR. BEV and thanks for that.

Much appreciated
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 16:49
Great job Peter (Mr Bev  ;)) and no worries about the phone, I figured it was the battery thing!  So glad to hear they are all doing fine, I was so worried about the one on the roof, I can imagine how hot that roof must be on their talons.  He was hanging right off the edge in the back there..whew  :o

Good luck and buy Bev a nice cup of Tim's and some Timbits from us  ;D

ps: I'll post your update for the BCAW girls over at their site too as they are anxiously awaiting word too!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 17:29
More applause for Mr Bev! 

Thanks, it's so reassuring to hear the whole story from the ground.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 17:57
Ack..what happened!!  I was cooking dinner and came back and only Froona left in the box!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:00
Okay Peter just called.  One is down on the lower ledge and the one with the red tape flew across to the parkade and has been rescued by Peter.  He's okay and in a box waiting for the biologist to come check him out and put him back on the roof.  He had a nice flight...just landed in busy parking area! (I'm assuming that's what a busy Parkade is??)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 18:01
Only Froona is visible, all the boys are...? ...perhaps off to visit younger bro on the lower platform?  Froona looks to be making a bit of noise about the whole thing.  Hope all is well.

Looking forward to the next exciting report!
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: bcbird July 21, 2009, 18:03
Thanks, Carly! 

One in a box with Peter, one on the lower ledge, Froona in the nest box and last boy is where?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:05
There are two boys on that lower ledge now, he went to join the first one!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 18:09
Right.
Just watching Froona.  What must she be thinking, to be suddenly all on her own!
Stay, girl, stay.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:10
Darn it, I lost the cam and can't connect now  ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 18:12
Same.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:13
Ok it's back! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: RCF July 21, 2009, 18:13
Darn it, I lost the cam and can't connect now  ???

ditto :(
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:14
Poor Froona, the girls hate being left alone.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 18:15
Mine is back now as well.
Froona is at the back of the box, sulking about missing all the fun.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:21
Poor fledge watchers, I really feel for them - these first few days are the hardest.  You can't help but worry and fret about what is going to happen to them - I lost 5 pounds during my fledge watch here just from stress and long hours and running all over the place!! 

I should have told Peter to bring Bev and Eli some wine instead of Tim's coffee...lol  ;D  Next year I'm bringing a thermos full  :P
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: Linder July 21, 2009, 18:30
See a male holding a box on roof top across from next box on camera 1. Is this Peter?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:33
Might be the biologist or security?  I can't see anyone on the cam??
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 21, 2009, 18:34
When I went back to check, he was gone. Sorry!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:40
Just spoke to both Bev and Peter, the little guy is back on the roof next to the nest ledge...where we see the white part on Cam 1.  We might be able to see him if he moves over to the edge a bit.  The guy you saw was Gord, the biologist!

The little male is okay, a bit of a nick on his beak but otherwise fine.  Bev got to hold him and says he must be the youngest cause he's so tiny  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 18:56
See, I miss all the fun!  Glad to hear everyone is okay tho.  Froona will figure it out in time.  I see she is doing a bit of hollering there.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 18:57
Lol..she was not impressed with mom and the day's events  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 21, 2009, 19:11
glad to hear all the reports ..... thanks
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 21, 2009, 19:21
What an odd pic -- sis by herself!  I can't believe all the boys flew the coop in one day of light (not 24 hrs).   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 20:00
All three boys have fledged!!!  Peter just called to let us know that all the boys have flown over to the big roof top we see !!  That's why Froona is looking over there!  Kind of cool they've all gone to the same place!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 20:19
Did they all go at the same time?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 20:20
Doh...I forgot to ask..lol!  I was so excited!  We'll have to wait for Bev & Peter's report or Eli's - whoever gets home first!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 21, 2009, 20:22
It is exciting!  Not to worry!  We will get all the facts later. LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 21, 2009, 20:40
I can see one of the boys now on the roof!!!  Lol and refresh and he's gone!  He was right next to Froona in the distance  :P

Night everyone!  Bev and Peter and Eli, thanks for all your updates today ...it's such a relief to know what is going on!  Get some rest  ;)

Oh and he's back <wave>  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 21, 2009, 20:42
Exciting!!!!!  Very exciting!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 21, 2009, 22:52
Man oh Man. this kind of excitement , I do not need.  ;D ;D

When I got up this morning and saw Yellow band on the roof , I rushed down there. We will see how many photo radar tickets I get later. ::)
white band was still on the white platform .

So it seemed like it was going to be a quiet day. Yellow band was given a bit of a meal very early this morning. Mom came in and made a food drop to White band mid morning.
the 2 in the box were brought a small meal.

We sweltered in the heat as did the kids.
The one on to of the roof was a bit of a ham. White band lay low most of the day but he did some wing flapping when the shade took over . Then he came to life and kept looking down the roof.

I had a bit  of a bet with one of the construction workers that no one would fly today.
so after 4 pm I thought , I won.
Just then a falcon went straight down  from  the nest box and I thought veered up. so I thought it was an adult ,   Peter  said  he saw it go into the parkade but I did not. I thought it lifted up and over. (never thinking it was one of the kids) I have never seen one do anything like this on a first flight. All of a sudden the construction workers are shouting , one down in the parkade.
Well I froze at first and then we ran. Thank God for Peter.
 Poor little thing just stood there and Peter approached slowly and put the towel over its head and he lifted it into the box. We put it in my car and Gord Court arrived in 10  minutes. He checked it over and all was well . Just a little nick on the beak.
But Gord said he was a small little guy and was not ready to fly. so I think this is the youngest one.
We could not put it on the nest box roof ledge as the door was jammed so Gord said it will be O.K. on the other roof adjacent to the nest box and it would get fed first.

I held it while it was  in the  towel with its little head peeking out. My heart melted but I felt so sorry for it, going to be alone.

we went down and Gord left and that is when we noticed that below band was don with white band.

We need to watch more carefully tomorrow.
I think tht gold band knocked  red band out when she went  onto the white platform.
that is the only thing I can figure out.

Part 2 on nest page ;) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 21, 2009, 23:09
Part 2

 Then  mom came around flying by with food. We believe she fed red band but not sure.

that is when the kids  started squawking up a storm.
Now Yellow band quickly is up and flew onto the same roof as red band. It was such a good flight that I thought the adult had flown there. He started cat walking like crazy,as if he had been doing it for years. Took years off my life that is for sure. :)

Then mom came with food  for yellow band and he grabbed it and went off the ledge onto the roof. I hope red band got some too.

Well a little bit later , I guess  white band thought he wanted some of the food also and he up and flew over.
We were gathering quite a crowd of  lookers by this point and everyone cheered and clapped.

Then both kids were cat walking and one was behind the cam

Eli thought this was so cute.
  mom came over and beak fed Yellow band by the cam. It was an AWwww moment.
and then yellow band went back on the roof and white band came over and mom beak fed it.

 All the time Froona is watching and we were hoping mom would go and give her some love also , but I guess mom knew Froona wa safe and wanted  the boys well fed.
So I came home to get cleaned up and Peter is stil down there as he said the boys keep coming back on the lede and cat walking.

I t was  quite  the day. One incident a day should be the  rule  ;D
so now we have to really watch that the boys fly well and that  they get fed.I think it will be a few days before we see red band fly. but if I do not see him , at least on the ledge tomorrow I  may  ask Gord to check him.
And my wish is that Froona waits at least until Sunday before she takes the leap of Faith. :-*

Eli may have more to add as my brain is fried.

Adn thanks Carly for taking our calls. We just did not want anyone wathcng the cams to worry :-*\
Night all
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 21, 2009, 23:19
what an exciting day bev .. and mr bev.  the reports are great.  i love watching and hearing about Radisson and Damon and the kids.  :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 21, 2009, 23:19
Can't see Froona..............is she in the nest box with all the left over wings?  Hope the other three are fine.  You've had quite a day Bev..........need some zzzzzzzzzzzzz's now! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 21, 2009, 23:20
Bev!!  Such excitement.  Thanks to you and your husband for keeping us up to date here and through Carly.  Hope you get a great sleep to prepare for another action filled day tomorrow.  So nice to hear you were getting interested onlookers.  Way to go!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 21, 2009, 23:21
Great update Bev. You must be exhausted. What a unique experience!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 22, 2009, 00:05
Thank you so much for the updates and reports, Bev, Mr. Bev and Eli! Can't believe all three boys fledged already. I hope Froona waits for a few days, until she is ready.

A few pics from today:

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(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2131b.jpg)

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 22, 2009, 00:12
The fledglings are beautiful. I hope everything goes well for all of them tomorrow.

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2119b-1.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2122b.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2138b.jpg)

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 05:12
Good morning!  Thanks for your great report Bev!!  It's 6:00 am EST and I can see Froona's silouette laying down in the nest box..not doubt she's exhausted after yesterday's excitement!

Your little guy sounds just like our little Mackenzie was.  Mac was the same way, flew one day and came down and was so shocked he didn't fly anywhere for 2 days. 

When I saw the one boy on the roof yesterday, it kept reminding me of when Cassie was up there last year.  That Radisson sure makes beautiful kids  :-*

Have a good day today!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 06:42
7:40 am EST and just arrived at work.  On Cam 1 view you can see one of the boys on the roof and Froona is looking over at him  :D

He keeps running up and down the ledge and flappericizing, wonder if he's going to try to make it back to the nestbox.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 22, 2009, 07:04
These updates are great!  Thanks so much to the team on the ground there.  Hope your day goes much better than yesterday.

And put on LOTS of sunblock!!  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 22, 2009, 08:55
The start to another exciting day.  Bev was on her way early this AM when I got a call at 6:00 AM from security at UOFA that another young one (Mr. White) was down on the ground.  I rushed down there but Bev and one of the other fledge watchers had already retrieved the bird and Bev put it on the roof again.  He is now on the ledge below the nest box.  Miss Black is still in the nest box and has not fledged, thank God as the 3 of them are enough to handle right now.  Mr. Red and Mr. Yellow are currently out of sight somewhere.  Bev is at the scene and will call in with updates.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 09:13
Oh no!  Poor little guys!  Wasn't Mr White the one that came to ground last night already? 

I've seen one of them running up and down the roof ledge earlier this morning.  And yes hopefully little Miss will stay home another few days..she's still got the fluffies on her!

Thanks for the update!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 22, 2009, 09:53
I am so glad that Peter and Bev were there both yesterday afternoon and this morning - they saved the lives of these chicks, that is for sure; by the time I got there for my shift last night at 7:00 p.m., all the action was over.  CBC was there interviewing Bev and one of our other watchers.  Peter and I stayed while Bev went home after her long day there, but everything was quiet with our chicks:  Froona in the nestbox, one chick sitting right next to the camera, and it looked like he was looking through the lens, one perched on the ledge, and one farther back on the building, on the side. 

Now, again all this excitement this morning, and another rescue; I am so glad the chick was not injured.  While the boys are all active, I don't think Froona will leave the nest box for another couple of days - we should all have an exciting weekend!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 10:22
Thanks for the update Eli, you guys are all doing a fantastic job!  And most definitely watchers do save lives during fledge time, you are the unsung heroes of the day!  That is great that CBC came by, I will check their site to see if anything is posted!

Good luck today and hope all goes well with our little fledglings  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 22, 2009, 13:50
Any updates for the ones hungry to hear how the fledge is going?  Hopefully the three fledglings you are trying to keep track of are doing well with this new thing........flying!!  Keep up the good work and lots of luck to all of you.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 13:59
Holy moly...boy back on the ledge!!!  Good going, he made it home!!  And look at Froona, how sleek looking she is today..she's all grown up *sniff*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: kittenface July 22, 2009, 14:58
Looks like yellow maybe, got this when it first came in
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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 15:19
Okay left office and got home and still 2 at home..whew!  The boy still has some white tufts on him...hopefully he will stay home tonight and get rid of those  :P  Froona seems happier now that she is not alone  ;)

Aww..look they are beaking....she's happy to have her bro home  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 22, 2009, 15:23
Hi.  It Mr. Bev again.  Just got back from putting up Mr. Yellow again.  He dissappeared there for a while but was found and Bev called me to put him back up.  Feisty little guy.  Bigger than Mr. Red and Mr. White.  Seemed to be no worse for his little adventure.

Mr. Red has now decided to fly again and can't be seen so Bev is down there keeping an eye out to where the parents go to feed him.  We may have to do another resue yet.  These "guys" are a little more active than the ones last year.  Hopefully Froona will stay put for a while.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 15:29
Ack..I'm so glad you guys are down there otherwise this would not have ended well - and yes boys are trouble..we keep sayin  :P.  Wait is he the one home now then? Trying to see from Kitten's picture and on cam now ... 

If he is then it's good he made it home, perhaps he will stay another day or so and you guys can focus on the other two.

Thanks for taking the time to update us Peter!  On the plus side, Bev is finally getting to see her falcons close up...over and over...hehe..as long as they are not hurt then it's all good  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 22, 2009, 15:33
Holy smokes!  You and Bev are sure getting your exercise with this trio of siblings.  I hope Bev has got some help out there this afternoon - besides the construction workers on the site, of course, who seem to be very helpful and have eagle eyes.  
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 22, 2009, 15:38
What a good thing Bev got extra help organized.  It can't have hurt to have CBC provide a bit of publicity.  Thank you so much for the updates, Mr Bev.  It's nice for us watching to see Froona with company.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 22, 2009, 15:38
You guys are awesome :-* :-*
Bev, holding a chick, wow oh wow. Knowing that you've give two of them another chance at living, bigger wow -oh wow.
Congrats to all, you're making a difference.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 15:52
Okay I can see his tape now and I think it is yellow back in the box!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: kittenface July 22, 2009, 16:08
Getting a little close again
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/JUNE%2009%20PART%201/june2009%20part%202/july%202009%20part%201/july2009%20pt%202/cam3_image_00001-3.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 16:11
No, no...stay home...lol!  Auntie Bev has her hands full with your brothers..she needs a break  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 22, 2009, 16:39
Mr. Bev again.  Bev just called and she is in the process of rescuing Mr. Red of a shelf just a little ways off the ground.  He is not strong enough yet to get up by himself.  Hope everything goes well.  Will be going down there in about half an hour.  Will keep you posted.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 17:00
Boy those boys are just falling from the sky it seems, glad Bev is there to catch them  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 22, 2009, 17:23
Wow, Bev has her work cut out for her. I'm so glad our boys managed better than that, and Vesper as well, once she waited a bit longer. Otherwise we really would have had to have a lot of committed-to-running-out-into-traffic phanatics dowtown!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 22, 2009, 18:13
Oh my Bev  :o
What a day you've had!  Those falcons are very lucky to have you there  :-*!  It must be absolutely amazing to hold a falcon in your hands.  Keep up the great work Bev and thank you to Mr. Bev for your updates  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 18:21
The boy keeps looking down and now both are looking down..must be one on that lower platform.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 22, 2009, 20:20
Oh boy, yellow boy just flew up to the roof of the nest box..poor Froona..alone again  ::)  Must be a parent up there somewhere with food, I haven't seen a feeding at all yet. 

I'm off to bed, hopefully our red boy was rescued and is well and white boy also.  Was hoping this one would stay put for tonight to give Bev and them a bit of a break...! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 22, 2009, 21:10
What a day for Bev! 

I just hope that the kids come home for the night...unfortunately, it starts again in the morning.  And how exciting is that!!!!!  It's all for the birds!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 22, 2009, 23:50
Fairly dark, but Froona sitting on the ledge looking out and a brother on the roof.  Rest well all, tomorrow is likely to be another day of excitement.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 04:50
5:50 am EST and it looks like two in the nestbox...can't be sure as it's pretty dark.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 05:11
Oh..hmmm..one on the rooftop when I change views.  Not sure if it's a parent or yellow boy. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 06:41
7:40 am ESt and just arrived at work and it's light out there now.  So it is yellow boy on roof and Froona on nestbox...she still hasnt' gone out on the wrungs...!  Yellow boy's white fluffy bottom is almost gone ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 08:03
9:03 am EST and yellow boy just took off from the roof of the nestbox!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 08:32
9:31 am EST and a juvie just flew in and landed on top of the nestbox..not sure if it's yellow boy or not...can't see bands yet!  But nice landing!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 23, 2009, 08:34
i think i can see yellow on the right leg.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 08:45
Yay..good flying and one less for auntie Bev to rescue  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 23, 2009, 09:06
Mr. Bev here again.  Well after 4 rescues in 3 days Bev and I as well as the rest of the watchers are getting a good workout.

Today at 6:30 AM our time Mr. Yellow took a giant step forward and flew to two different buildings coming to rest on the Mazankowski building where the parents "finally" fed him.  They hadn't fed him for most of the day yesterday, probably wanting him to fly.  It worked. 

Bev is down there running around with a couple of other fledge watchers.  She will keep me posted and I will forward it on.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 23, 2009, 09:09
Great news!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 09:11
Good morning Peter and yes I saw Mr Yellow take off and then come back in and land beautifully..well done!  I expect Bev was cheering and feeling quite relieved!  

The first few days are the roughest but once they get the hang of it..boy is it worth all the angst.  Of course Froona is still to come but she seems to be a smart gal and hasn't even ventured outside yet  ; ;)

Thank you for the udpate, say hi to Bev for us and happy to hear she has some help down there !
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 23, 2009, 09:12
Froona's probably just enjoying all that extra room since the boys left.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 23, 2009, 09:45
Thank you for the updates, especially when the news is good!
I'm glad too the Froona seems appropriately cautious.  I don't think I've even seen her flapping.  At least she has lots of room now!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 23, 2009, 11:01
Yikes!  It looks like Froona flew the coop.  I wish I could be there instead of at work.  I hope our ground crew can find her right away!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 11:17
Froona is still there, iI can see her!!  She is inside the box...redecorating  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 23, 2009, 11:20
You are right, Carly.  One minute she was gone, the next minute she is there.  Perhaps I am losing my mind - I swear she was not there five minutes ago. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 11:40
You aren't losing your mind Eli..it's the cam.  I swear last night one minute Yellow boy was on the roof top, it refreshed and he was gone, it refreshed again and he was there.  So not you...it's the cam.  Either that or we are both crazy  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 23, 2009, 11:55
  Either that or we are both crazy  ;D
hmmmmmmmm ::) ::) ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 12:04
Lol..was waiting who of either you or Loriann would jump on that comment bccs  :P

And I run out for a quick smoke and yellow boy has flown off...
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Loriann July 23, 2009, 12:12
 ;D  **WHISTLES INNOCENTLY IN THE CORNER..**

 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 23, 2009, 12:24
;D  **WHISTLES INNOCENTLY IN THE CORNER..**

 
For once it's true, she is innocent. ::)
And why are ya in the corner, being naughty again? :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 23, 2009, 12:31
Easy to see why it looks as if Froona has left - I had to stare at the screen for a while - not until it refreshed could I see that she was actually still sitting there, but there's so many leftovers in the box and the picture is not clear enough to be able to pick her out. If it hadn't been that i thought I could see an eye, I would have thought she'd gone. So, no, nobody is losing their minds! (Can come out of corner now)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Loriann July 23, 2009, 12:36
;D  **WHISTLES INNOCENTLY IN THE CORNER..**

 
For once it's true, she is innocent. ::)
And why are ya in the corner, being naughty again? :P

naughty again?  it's a way of life.. lol

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 13:53
Miss Froona has awoken from her nap and seems to be testing her wings out..but still hasn't ventured outside.  Must be stretching  :P  I wonder how the boys are doing...I"m thinking that 'no news' is good news  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 23, 2009, 14:04
You just hang around there Froona.....don't let the boys entice you!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 23, 2009, 15:16
Bev, Mr. Bev, Eli and Carly, thanks for all the fledging updates over the past few days. Makes me realize how fortunate we are here in Winnipeg to have only had one girl down on the road. :P You guys are doing an amazing job on Fledge Watch Patrol! :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 23, 2009, 15:29
Last year we lost Cassie a few times in all the leftovers.  Maybe Froona could show some of her inheritance of Trey genes and houseclean while she waits to fledge!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 23, 2009, 15:31
Last year we lost Cassie a few times in all the leftovers.  Maybe Froona could show some of her inheritance of Trey genes and houseclean while she waits to fledge!
Sounds like an excellent idea to me, bcbird! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 23, 2009, 15:35
She's not into it though, there she is, still on the ledge, but spreading her wings.  Bet she'll not be too long to get out on those rungs.
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: carly July 23, 2009, 16:47
Oh..oh..juvie on the rooftop ledge in the distance!!!  Pfftt..and he's gone.  I'm hoping the fact we haven't heard from Mr Bev  ;) means everything is going swimmingly down there today  :-*
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: BirdLover July 23, 2009, 16:51
OK, where is the fingers crossed emoticon??
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 23, 2009, 17:03
Good look at Froona in profile on cam 3.  She has lost a lot of fluff in the last two days.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 17:07
Good look at Froona in profile on cam 3.  She has lost a lot of fluff in the last two days.

She's going to be a beauty like Radisson and her grandmomfalcon Princess  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 23, 2009, 17:19
WOW  :o  Froona has changed almost overnight   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 18:15
Juvie in the distance again  :o  Chatting with Froona now:..you come here, no you come here..I'm not going there  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 23, 2009, 19:01
Froona...don't you listen to your brothers!  You know better than that....they are just BOYS...............
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 23, 2009, 20:24
Looks like Froona is listening to you allikat and waiting until she's ready  :)  I'm off to bed and will check in for news in the morning! 

Bev, Peter and Eli ...hope you all had a great day and everything went well and the boys are okay.  Get some rest!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 23, 2009, 21:08
Peter has sent me home to get some sleep . Have some good people there tonight.
Eli is just great to have there.
So I am going to give just a quick report  ;) ;) ;)

Peter was in a meeting all day so could not get back to update you.

Yellow took flight this morning as Peter told you and he just kept showing off.
He flew from nest box to clinical science ledge , that you can see from cam 1.
Then he flew back up on the nest box. But he did not get fed at either of those places so he flew to the heart building. Dad came in but could not see if there was a food drop . I am sure there was but...

Then he flew back to the  clinical  science  ledge because   he knew Red has had food there. Jumped down on roof top  below nest box and then came back up with food.

After he had eaten , he flew back up to heart building.
Stayed there quite awhile  and then took off again to the clinical science building jut that you can see from cam 1. but he did not get enough height and hit the side slightly.

So there I went running with my box,just in case.  (I was alone for the afternoon). but he turned and started flapping and went for the side of the heart building(all glass). so there is me, shouting not too loudly , and with hand action ,  up Yellow , come on , up higher, and he got to the top and over.
 OMG  that nearly gave me a whole head of gray hairs.
Did he stay there , no, he tried for the same area of clinical science building and got lots of height and landed right on roof floor. (over the ledge) He was making sure this time.
He has been there ever since, cat walking on the ledges and now in shade

Part 2  next page
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 23, 2009, 21:12
Part 2

Sadly I have not been able to find white band, who I rescued yesterday morning.
He was there last night when peter left at dark.

I got there at 6am and did not see him on the ledge. the workers said he was there earlier.  I looked all over , where he may have come down.

One of the security guards is supposed to go up to floor 9 of heart building tonight and see if he lying on roof below nest box. :'( :'(

I cannot figure it out. I phoned the biologist to let him know I had not seen him all day. Even if he is on roof floor and something is wrong we cannot go up there because we would spook the others. I am still praying he will turn up. It had been a scorcher today , so maybe he flew somewhere and is laying low.

Froona was given a feed this morning and I see there is still some red stuff in the box.
she will probably get a feed tonihgt, but Peter will let me know.  Being warm she was not too active but I did see lots of good wing flaps inside box and on inside lip of box. I am glad she is staying inside and is not out on outside yet. It is day 40 today. We do not want her to till Monday . I think she is looking great.

Red was beak fed  twice today and dad also brought in a big bird .
Yellow had some of this.

Red needs this as he was so tiny. He looks much bigger today. He cat walked a lot today but needs to flap more to get his wings strong . I do not want to pick him up again. Love him to bits but I would rather see him in the air. He was  timid on the ground but he is a little dare devil.
If he does not fly tonight and i am sure he will keep me hopping tomorrow.

So much  for short report  ;D ;D

I am off to bed as I will be there bright and early

I got too attached after picking up the boys. they are so gorgeous and those eyes. they make you melt.  :-* :-* :-*
Night :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 23, 2009, 21:27
She's going to be a beauty like Radisson and her grandmomfalcon Princess  :-*
Well said, carly!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 23, 2009, 21:35
Part 2
Sadly I have not been able to find white band, who I rescued yesterday morning.
He was there last night when peter left at dark.


bev, I know you're right -- he's hunkered down in the shade somewhere.  "good thoughts, good thoughts" 

(yeah, so I screwed up the quote)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 23, 2009, 21:43
Heya  Bev, keep good thoughts, we can't always see every thing, could be around where you not looking.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 23, 2009, 21:48
Hi Bev and Mr.Bev,

Think positive thoughts, you're in our hearts and wishing that Froona will just wait for her time to soar.  Don't listen to your brothers Froona, they are just boys............bah.................... ....................................... .!!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 23, 2009, 22:03
Thanks for that great report Bev.  You get a well deserved sleep.  I too am sending only positive thoughts.

 :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 23, 2009, 22:05
Positive vibes going your way!!!!!!!!  Froona will just have to wait for her spotlight!!!!! 8)
After all, she is the "woman"  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 23, 2009, 22:29
Thanks for the report Bev.  Mr. White will show up tomorrow.......Thinking positive also!  You'll  be soaring in your dreams tonight! :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 24, 2009, 00:38
Just caught up on the posts from the past two days. Many thanks for all the wonderful updates from Bev, Mr. Bev, Eli and Carly! Four rescues already - that is amazing. I hope white band will be there first thing in the morning. Fingers and wings crossed that he is okay. All the fledglings are very lucky to have the fledge watchers there to help them.

Didn't have a chance to check the cam until this evening. Froona is looking beautiful and has changed so much in two days.

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly239b.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2311b.jpg)

One of the boys on the roof:

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(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2321b.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2322b.jpg)

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: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 05:10
5:59 am EST and I can see Froona's outline laying down in the nextbox.  Thank you so much for your detailed report...I can imagine you jumping up and down and directing falcon traffic!  I was the same way...lol  ;D

I refuse to believe anything bad has happened to Mr White..I think he's probably just a bit traumatized  :o at seeing the big bad humans and is lying low for awhile til he gets his mojo back.

And those eyes will get you every time, deep lipid pools..makes you just want to do anything to protect them.   :-* :-*

Hope you got a good night's sleep and we'll be anxiously watching today!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 24, 2009, 08:25
Mr. Bev here.  Both Red and Yellow bedded down last night.  Yellow just below the nest box.  Red on the corner in front of the nest box.  Still no sign of Mr. White

7:20 AM  Bev just called.  Both males flew.  Mr. Red came back to ledge below the nest box.  Mr. Yellow flew over the hospital and has yet to be located.  Bev should be in great shape by the time this is all over.  I am in meetings all day so will try to post during breaks if I can.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 24, 2009, 08:35
7:24 AM  Bev found both birds.  It was Mr. Red who flew over the hospital.  Interesting note.  He started to go down and the adult flew underneath him and gave him a lift up.  Mr. Yellow is located on the roof of CSB above the nest box.  Both doing fine.  Bev a little frazzled.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 24, 2009, 08:36
thanks for the reports .....
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 24, 2009, 08:40
Thanks Mr. Bev, great updates, and give Bev a great big hug from me.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 24, 2009, 08:50
Mr. Yellow flew down to the white structure below nest.  Father brought food in to Mr. Red at corner of building.  Mr. Yellow didn't get any so decided to fly up to the Mazankowski building where adults usually sit.  All is fine, except Bev is getting thinner by the minute.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 09:05
Thanks Peter, gee I hope they find Mr White soon.  The parents should know where he is..sometimes they dont' give it away but they will have to feed him.  Hope the little guy is okay.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 09:07
Gee, Froona sure is pretty in the sunlight.   She is very dark!   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 09:47
Thanks Peter, gee I hope they find Mr White soon.  The parents should know where he is..sometimes they dont' give it away but they will have to feed him.  Hope the little guy is okay.
Thanks Mr. (Peter) Bev.  Hope all is well with Mr. White. 
As for Froona....she's is one beauty!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 24, 2009, 09:50
Last night, we had 7 people plus one dog watching out for our falcon chicks, a great turnout by a devoted group; mind you, my dog was not interested in the chicks, but he sure had a keen interest in Peter's supper.  All the action seems to happen with the chicks in the early morning and afternoon, when Bev does not have as many people to help her, but, fortunately, the construction workers are very helpful, and it was one of them who helped Bev rescue the feisty Mr. Yellow, and he got bitten for his efforts.  

We looked for Mr. White last night, and listened for him, but nothing.  We are all worried about him.  The biologist told Bev that it is great if we only lose one chick, but we all need to know what happened to Mr. White.

Will be there after work tonight.  I hope Bev will not be overworked with rescusing birds during the day, which promises to be very hot.  She usually gets help in the afternoon, thank goodness.  I expect we will all be there on the weekend, especially as we expect Froona to go for it on Sunday, perhaps Saturday.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 24, 2009, 09:53
I hope Mr White is okay. The drama in Edmonton has been unending this year. Hopefully another week of practice and they will all be floating around the site with the greatest of ease.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 10:17
Thank you for the report Eli.  I'm worried about Mr White too, trying not to be...but when you know the odds it's not always easy.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 10:37
Froona must be hungry or lonesome.  She is really squonkin'   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 12:07
Is there something wrong with the cameras there?  I keep going to camera 3 and it shows Froona standing there and then when it refreshes she is gone?

Did she fly the coop too?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 12:10
Talons crossed that Mr. White is okay.
Froona...you just relax now!   ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 12:16
Froona is tucked in the corner in the box from my view on Cam 2.  At this time of day when the sun is hotter, she tends to stay inside and out of the sun.  Unless she's rigged the cam and taken off and is laughing at us somewhere with her brothers...they can be trixy those juvies  ;D


Eli:

Any word from Bev on Mr White at all?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 24, 2009, 12:16
Birdlover, Froona is still there - I made the same mistake yesterday.  She goes to the back of the box, and then comes forward after a while and flaps around abit.  You should see the wing span on her; we were watching her flapping last night, and she is one big bird!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 24, 2009, 12:20
Carly:  no word from Bev about Mr. White; normally, she would contact Peter (Mr. Bev) and he would report to us on the Forum, but he is in meetings all day and won't be able to report until later this afternoon.  It is worrisome not knowing what is happening, but I know that Bev will do whatever she can to inform us of the latest events, especially regarding Mr. White.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 12:22
Thanks Eli.   
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 12:25
Oh, she just showed up on camera 2 for me.  It's weird tho when I go to camera 3 I get the exact position she was in a while ago and then when it refreshes she is gone.  I seem to be having ooshions of delutions today.

My computer at work is not co-operating so I'm wondering if it is our network.

thanks Eli   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 12:28
thanks everybody for the updates.....hope Bev is okay.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 12:36
BL..if you switch between cam views in the same window..you will see a cached image - the last one you saw on that view before you left it  When it refreshes then it replaces that last image with a new one.  I frequently have to open new windows when I'm trying to rush and see if something happened..cause I'm impatient..lol
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 24, 2009, 15:30
7:24 AM  Bev found both birds.    Both doing fine.  Bev a little frazzled.

Bev you are terrific in your efforts to keep these guys in sight and safe.  Thank you for your long report of last night.  It's been great to keep up to date thanks to you, Mr Bev, Eli on the ground, and Carly on the cam.
I remember TPC mentioning about the parent flying below in case a boost is needed.  That must have been great to see!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 16:05
Come on Mr. White.....Squonk so auntie Bev can hear you.  Please....... :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 16:33
BL..if you switch between cam views in the same window..you will see a cached image - the last one you saw on that view before you left it  When it refreshes then it replaces that last image with a new one.  I frequently have to open new windows when I'm trying to rush and see if something happened..cause I'm impatient..lol

Well, I have learned two new things today.  I just love to learn.   ;D  Thanks Carly, I am impatient too and will keep that in mind.  It is the first time I have watched it at work  :-[  (on my own today) so wasn't sure what was going on cuz my program was messin' with my head too.  ARRGH
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 24, 2009, 16:35
Last report from Bev is that Mr. Red flew over to the Mazankowski building and Mr. Yellow flew over to CSB.  Seem to be flying around not quite consistently for short trips.  Miss Black was visited by parent and may have been fed.  Not quite sure.  I am heading out to the site now.  Will update again later.

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 16:40
Thanks Peter.  Guess that means no Mr White  :'( :'(   I did see mom come and visit Froona but was called away from my desk at that moment so didn't see if she had food for her or not.  I'm at home now and it's the weekend so I will stay up late to await news.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 24, 2009, 16:42
Don't be sad yet Carly, amazing things happen :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 16:44
I know they do but I'm a worrier..it's what I do  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 24, 2009, 17:10
I know they do but I'm a worrier..it's what I do  ::)
Ya get paid for that????????????
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 17:39
I know they do but I'm a worrier..it's what I do  ::)
Ya get paid for that????????????

The cheque is in the mail apparently  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 17:52
Froona is looking up at something quite intently...little bro perhaps or parent with food.... ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 18:30
Froona is certainly interested in something outside the box.....

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 18:33
Can't say I blame her for not wanting to go into the nest!  Have you seen the inside of that box   :o  It's pretty disgusting !!!!! 

She is prolly torn between Home Sweet Home and Oh the Places She'll Go    :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick July 24, 2009, 18:37
Fledglings disappear all the time, it doesn't mean they are in trouble.  Remember there was a chick on one of the US sites that was MIA for 8 days and then just reappeared one day at the nestsite with all her/his siblings.  And Hurricane, she fledged and I saw her for the next two/three days and not a feather until this spring.  Same with Radisson, saw her the day after fledging and then "poof" until she turned up in Edmonton.

Something may have happened but I would expect you to find the chick close to the nestsite since the chicks have only started fledging.  Just as likely the chick is just further away and hanging out - remember Vesper didn't move for two days after we re-released her.

My advice, take a breath and don't anticipate bad news, it may come, it may not come or you may not get any news at all (which we count as good news btw).
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 18:42
I know you are right, I've seen it here too but I still worried then too.  I am getting old and senile  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 18:44
Can't say I blame her for not wanting to go into the nest!  Have you seen the inside of that box   :o  It's pretty disgusting !!!!! 


I know....Radisson DID NOT inherit Trey's cleaning habits...oh um, obsession  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 24, 2009, 18:44
I know you are right, I've seen it here too but I still worried then too.  I am getting old and senile  :P
:-X :-X :-X
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Whitehorse July 24, 2009, 19:26
Been watching all day from work, but I can't post there!  :(  Here is hoping that Mr. White is just MIA like Tracy said! 


Froona is sure pretty though! 


Whitehorse
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 24, 2009, 19:39
Oh my GOD ...bccs is Speachless?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 24, 2009, 19:40
Oh my GOD ...bccs is Speachless?
NOT A CHANCE MSD, AND NOT IN THIS LIFETIME ;D ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 19:44
Oh my GOD ...bccs is Speachless?
NOT A CHANCE MSD, AND NOT IN THIS LIFETIME ;D ;D ;D
This is BccS we're talking about here...... :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 24, 2009, 19:46
And I repeat myself...  Where is the belly laugh emote   ??? ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 24, 2009, 20:26
Hoping to hear some updates from the fledge watchers soon, and I hope there will be good news about Mr. White Band.

Froona this evening:

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2416b.jpg)

(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o337/quintara2/July%202009/edmontonjuly2423b.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 24, 2009, 20:37
I'm really happy that Froona has decided to stay put.....that a girl!   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 24, 2009, 20:57
I'm really happy that Froona has decided to stay put.....that a girl!   :-*

Yeah, though it looks like she might have inherited the talkative gene that Vesper also got.

So glad to read TPC's advice. If Radisson was a mystery girl shortly after fledging, then so might her son be a boy of adventure.  Hey, why not!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 24, 2009, 21:50
Well bed time, too tired to try to wait for news.  I will check early in the morning and hope it's all good news. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 08:50
Froona just jumped out onto the wrungs and is flapping her heart out!!  Look at that wing span!!   
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 09:08
Holy crap, I think she's gonna go..  Flapping and yelling on the wrungs now...parents must be flying by with food I bet!

Woah...what's that~!!!  Falcon just flew over and by her..!  This is getting exciting ... oh and she's back in the box... Bev must be having a cardiac down there  :o

And she's back out...gotta say this girl is exciting!!  And probably hungry  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 25, 2009, 10:10
Goodday. Mr. Bev again.  Here at the site at 8:55 AM.  Busy night last night.  Got here after work.  Mom brought food at 6;00 pm.  MR. Red flew over from the roof ledge.  Mom made him self feed.  Mr. Yellow flew over from the Heart building to CSB.  When Mom figured Mr. Red had enough she took the rest of the pigeon over to Mr. Yellow.  Mr. Red was upset and flew back to the roof ledge where Mr. Yellow was.  Mr. Yellow was feeding and Mr. Red put himself on to of a slippery pillar.  He was moving around and a gust of wind blew him off and he flew around CSB and tried to get to the top of the Heart but flew into the glass then managed to turn around and flew back to CSB but hit the wall and came down to the ground.  Eli was here with us and another rescue was done on Mr. Red.  Eli helped check him over.  He was fine so we took him back up to the roof.

Mr. Red was on the same pillar where Mr. Yellow was feeding and yellow slipped with the pigeon in his talons and couldn't keep his balance and flew off to the right but was too low, so dad flew underneath him and got him to a lower roof of the hospital.  Shortly after he flew off to the south and ended up on the parkade.  He then flew to the another part of the parkade and hit a pillar and slid down but managed to recover and flew on to the roof floor of the adjacent parkade.  Bev and Eli tried to retrieve him but he took off and landed just behind the CSB on the hospital where we left him for the evening.  Part II coming.

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 25, 2009, 10:20
Mr. Yellow flew off this morning from the hospital and flew to Dads bldg.  He turned around and tried to make the top of the Heart bldg.  Couldn't quite clear it.  Lost track of him but 5 minutes later he flew in with Dad and had a beautiful flight. 

Mom came in with food for Mr. Red.  Froona came out on the perch and screamed blue murder.  Mr. Yellow flew
over to CSB above the nest box.  He flew back to the Heart and then mom fed him on the Heart.  Mom came in with more food for Mr. Red.  and then Mr. Yellow flew back to CSB.  Mom finally came in with food for Froona.  He took the food and went into the nest box.

Mr. Yellow is flying around and doing real well.  Mr. Red needs practice at height.  We hoping Froona stays put till Monday.  She is looking great.

Sadly no sign of Mr. White but we will concentrate on these 3 and hopefully no more rescues as we are up to 5 rescues already and really tired.  Sure appreciate Eli's knowledge on rescues. If it quiets down Bev and I will take turns sleeping in the car.  We will try to keep you posted. 

We now know why we had so many rescues because maintenance was on the roof and spooked them.  Bev called security and put a stop to that.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 25, 2009, 10:28
Yesterday just as I arrived, Mr. Red took off from the CSB, hit the heart building, then hit the CSB, and landed on the ground in front.  We got a towel over him, checked him out for injuries, and he had none from what we could tell, and Peter and Bev and Security got him back on top of the CSB.  This all happened about 6:30 p.m.  We just got settled down, when Mr. Yellow took off, and after some turning, landed on the side of the parkade, stayed there for a while, then flew off, couldn't get height, and landed on the top floor of the other parkade nearby.  Security was up there, and Bev and I ran up and joined him; we slowly approached Mr. Yellow, tried to get the towel over him, but he would have none of that, and flew off to a building right behind the CSB, where he stayed.  When I left last night, he was still there, but Bev, Peter and Becky stayed on for a while even though it was getting dark.

The Security guy and Bev both saw dad come under one of the chicks earlier in the day, and bump him up because he did not have enough power to gain height.  This is a real problem, as the new heart institute is a big, hulking building, built right across from the CSB and right up to the edge of the sidewalk, and it is very difficult for the chicks to fly off from the CSB and gain the height in that short distance; they have to make a u-turn and come around while gaining height, and they don't have the strength yet.

It was really hot last night, and Peter, Bev and I were doing alot of running around trying to keep tabs on the chicks.  Froona stayed in the nestbox, thank God, but she was sure doing alot of complaining.  I don't know the situation yet this morning, but I am sure Bev is down there with Becky.  Bev is getting exhausted, and Peter is not far behind; I am not as tired as them, but getting there; but we are too concerned about the chicks to take time off.  I will be there later, about 1:00 p.m.

No sign of Mr. White.  We all pray that Froona stays in the nestbox until the boys are stronger at flying.  I don't know the situation yet this morning, but I sure hope it is not as nerve-wracking for our ground crew down there.

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 25, 2009, 10:29
Wow!  Sounds like we missed quite an evening.  You guys sure got your exercise.  Is Bev over there now?  What am I saying -- of course she is!  It's going to be a hot one today, so anyone going over, please remember the sunscreen and water.  And shoes to run in because it sounds like you'll need them.

It could be quite interesting tomorrow evening when we're over -- it looks like Black is ready to go.  Still no sign of White?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 10:35
Sounds like this family is having a challenging time with flying.   And yes the maintenance would certainly scare them...I'm glad Bev has set them straight.  I wonder if Mr White tried to fly up on the buildings and the men scared him and he's in another area somewhere... :-\  

I saw Froona freaking out this morning and saw the other falcon fly over her..lol..poor girl but at least it got her outside.  She needs to practice her flapping for a few days!

Thank you for taking the time to update us Peter, I know you guys must all be exhausted.  Please give our best to Bev and Eli and take care of yourselves.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 10:58
Thanks Eli..I must have posted same time as your post went up.  I know what it's like to be that exhausted but you dont' want to leave.  When my little Mac flew off in the dark - they had to all but drag me into the car to go home.  They just get into your heart and you don't want to leave them until you know they are safe.   :-*

 Have a good day today and sure glad you are there with Bev and Peter.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 25, 2009, 11:35
A last note before I leave - Mr. Red is small, and has a very calm attitude - last night when I picked him up, he just acted like this was a normal event in his life.  As he is so small, I believe it will take him longer to get his wings, and he is such a little beauty, I sure want to see him soar in the skies.

Bev is supposed to go with Peter to a special event today, and I do hope she will go, as the falcons are taking over her life, and she needs a break.  She has been at the site every day, all day, since Monday, and all this takes its toll.

Will report later, after my stint down at the CSB.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 11:45
A last note before I leave - Mr. Red is small, and has a very calm attitude

I found the boys to be easy to pick up as well but wait until you meet Froona..lol..the females tend not to have a very calm attitude  :o   ;D


Tell Bev to drink some wine at said event and enjoy herself  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 12:36
Thanks so much for the updates everyone.  You sure seem to have your hands full.   :o

Glad we are not having that problem here.  Will be sending positive vibes from this end   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: kittenface July 25, 2009, 12:39
Please tell me she is in the nest with the mess
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 12:40
Please tell me she is in the nest with the mess

Yes she is.  I wasn't sure at first but she was in the far corner and now is more in the centre.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: kittenface July 25, 2009, 12:46
Yes I just got a glimpse thanks hon she scared the ---- out of me
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 12:47
I don't mind admitting I panicked too  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 13:08
That was me yesterday   :-X
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 14:21
Seems like Froona has had her afternoon siesta..........seems intent on either flying or maybe just trying to keep cool!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 14:22
And she is off!   One twenty - two  Ab time. :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 14:25
Sorry ...........my mistake.... she is in the nest.  With the time delay on the camera it is hard to see exactly what has taken place.  Apologies!  ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 14:29
Heh...I had a little nap...seems she's continuing to give us a heart attack.. ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 14:36
Camera 2 shows that she still has "fluff" on her head as well as still some in her back and wing feathers.  Does this really make a difference in any way when they fledge?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 14:39
She is certainly looking up at something?  Mom/Dad or maybe a sib?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 14:56
Camera 2 shows that she still has "fluff" on her head as well as still some in her back and wing feathers.  Does this really make a difference in any way when they fledge?

There is just a wee bit left but it's more an visual indicator that she is ready to fledge .  I'm not really sure if biologically it makes a difference at this point as her flight feathers are now in, TPC could say for sure.  Because she is a female and is larger and heavier her muscles take longer to develop and strengthen than the males so it's good she is not in a rush to go.  I'd prefer to see all the fluff gone and I suspect it will be before she goes. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 15:09
It's probably a good thing that she is taking her time. The fledge watch seems to have enough on their hands!!!

Hang in there FROONA!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 15:38
She looks hungry now and she's telling the world about it from the looks of it  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 25, 2009, 15:40
Froona and Vesper are related, right? ;D ::) ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 15:45
Froona and Vesper are related, right? ;D ::) ;D

Lol...yup!  Vesper is Froona's auntie.  Can you tell  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 25, 2009, 15:48
Wow!  Sounds like we missed quite an evening.  You guys sure got your exercise.  Is Bev over there now?  What am I saying -- of course she is!  It's going to be a hot one today, so anyone going over, please remember the sunscreen and water.  And shoes to run in because it sounds like you'll need them.

It could be quite interesting tomorrow evening when we're over -- it looks like Black is ready to go.  Still no sign of White?
Hey, Lorac! Welcome to the forum. Nice post.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 25, 2009, 15:50
Lol...yup!  Vesper is Froona's auntie.  Can you tell  ;D
No kidding! If Froona is anything like her auntie, you won't need to see her to find her! ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 25, 2009, 15:57
My advice, take a breath and don't anticipate bad news, it may come, it may not come or you may not get any news at all (which we count as good news btw).
Excellent advice, TPC! For falcon watching and for life!

Bev, Peter and Eli - Thanks for all your great effort! Don't forget to take care of yourselves while you are taking such good care of the falcon family! :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 25, 2009, 16:04
It's so amusing to see these two attitude laden lone females remain after their brothers fledge.  So far they have each despite the vocals been good about waiting.
The glimpses of Froona flapping on the edge are reminiscent of Vesper wingercising on the vent cover.  Clever girls to keep themselves safe from unexpected gusts and accidental fledges.

Eli, Peter, and Bev, take care!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 16:05
Oh look at her, poor girl.  She must see a parent up there, I think Bev said one of them perches up there. She looks so lonely  :-*  Wish one of the boys would go visit her.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 25, 2009, 16:58
Just got back from my shift at the CSB.  All was well.  This morning, Mr. Yellow took off from his perch on the building behind the CSB, and he and dad flew to the top corner at far end of the CSB, where Mr. Yellow has stayed.  Mr. Red is still on the near corner of the CSB, where he has stayed since his rescue yesterday evening - he has done a lot of wing-flapping and cat-walking, but is staying where he is.  Froona, as usual, has being making a big racket, especially whenever she catches sight of mom or dad; she has been doing lots of wing-flapping today, and boy, does she have a big wing spread.  So far, she is content to make a lot of noise and stay where she is.

This evening, there should be four of us down there on fledge watch.  Bev and Peter are taking a well-earned break for the night, I am happy to say.

Will report again after my evening shift, or tomorrow morning.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 17:12
Thanks Eli, very happy to hear that Bev and Peter are taking a well deserved night off and with 4 of you down there - they can relax and not worry about what is going on  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 19:04
I went back to last years threads to look up a good photo Bev put up of the nest box and the building it's on so I could remember where everything is positioned.

Here is the link to take you to that thread, scroll down and you will see the photo with the numbers on it, nestbox is under #3 and you can see the large roof Froona keeps looking down at and get an idea of how things look at the site.

http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/projects/pfrp/forum/programs/index.php/topic,481.345.html
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 25, 2009, 19:07
Thanks, Carly. Very helpful. :D Especially to those of us who weren't watching last year!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 19:10
Thanks carly, much appreciated.  It's nice to know what we are dealing with.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 25, 2009, 19:49
Thanks, Carly, for that link. 
Last year was such a special time at this site. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 25, 2009, 20:27
Thanks, Carly, for that link. 
Last year was such a special time at this site. 


Cassie & Hope :-* :-*

I'm off to bed, very tired for some reason...could be from staring at Froona most of the day..lol!  She is safe in the nestbox..no doubt looking for leftovers! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 20:32
EEUUWW.  Leftovers in that nest box and in that heat are probably crawling with ick.  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 22:24
Did Froona just receive "dine in" delivery?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 25, 2009, 23:34
Ever since it appeared that Froona was fed, she has remained on the rung out front of the nest box without nary a movement!  What a good girl!   Looks like she is going to give you "fledge watchers" the break you are needing!
Have a good day tomorrow! G'nite  Have a good rest! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 25, 2009, 23:45
Got back a short time ago from my evening shift, where all went well.  Four of us down there.  Mr. Red stayed on the roof the whole time, only moving to the far back corner of the CSB, where Barb, one of our watchers, kept an eye on him for the whole evening, and he stayed put.  Froona was quiet for about 5 minutes when dad brought her food at about 8:30 p.m.  And Mr. Yellow!  What a delight to watch him - he flew twice tonight, the last time about 9:00 p.m., and was almost as smooth and strong as his mom and dad.  He flew out and around the CSB, made a wider swoop, then landed on the roof of the CSB; he then proceeded to walk over to the near corner, just near the nest box, and jumped up and perched on one of the pillars.  It looked like he was planning to stay there for the night, and what a confident looking bird he was, preening and cleaning!

That all for the night.  Tomorrow will be possibly a very busy day for our watchers, as we expect Mr. Red to take flight again, and possibly Froona.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 25, 2009, 23:52
Thanks for the update Eli.  Much appreciated.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 06:26
7:25 am EST and Ms Froona is on the ledge of the nestbox dozing.  Thanks for your report Eli from last night Eli  ;)

7:37 and no longer dozing, out on the farthest wrung now!  Holy, is she a big, beautiful girl..just like her mama now!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 06:52
She must see a parent, she's going nuts flapping and yelling.  Oh full wing span and not much white left at all now. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 08:28
9:27 am EST and more flapping and wing spreads going on...and she'sup on the roof!!  Just now!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 08:34
Parent just arrived in box  ???  Back out now with food in mouth.  Froona leaning over yelling from roof...parent back in box....oh boy. 

Mexican standoff...bring food up here, no you come down here...no..okay let's both sit here and pose for the watchers  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 08:35
And parent wins,  Froona jumps back down and runs into box to grab food!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 26, 2009, 09:36
Thanks for the reporting guys, it's almost like I'm there watching. :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 09:45
It's great, and sending the link to that pic really helped for me too.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 10:09
What a difference another day has made.  There she is looking confident on that far rung!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 11:04
Just got a call from Mr & Mrs Bev!  Things are going well today down there so far.  Mr Yellow is flying like an ace!  He's perched right below dad now on the nest building.  Mr Red did take a flight today and he's now on the Hart Building so all is well, he's building up his confidence. 

They are keeping an eye on Froona and expect her to go either today or tomorrow!  Sadly no word on Mr White at all, I had to ask  :-\

Mr Bev has to go out of town tomorrow so there won't be any updates as Bev will be down at the site and she's quite exhausted. 

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 11:08
Thanks so much for these Carly.  It must be totally exhausting and I understand that the temperature is extremely hot out there.  I sure hope they don't get sick from it.

It is great to get any updates that we can.   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 26, 2009, 11:21
I can't wait.  We're going to over there for the 5:00 - 9:00 shift this evening.  I love it!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 11:24
I soo know what you mean lorac.  It is really exciting and being part of the whole thing makes me feel that I am doing something VERY important.  Which we all are.

Have fun and keep your cool  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 11:39
Oh excellent Lorac!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bob July 26, 2009, 12:06
I'm Lorac's husband, Bob. (I spelled my name backwards, too, but I don't see any difference.) This is our first year spending more than a few minutes at a time watching the chicks at the CSB. Thanks to joining the fledgewatch, we've been able to learn a lot about the trials and tribulations the falcon chicks go through as they learn to fly. Until Mr. Bev told us about this site a couple of days ago, we were limited to watching the falconcams. Thanks for being here and making all this additional information available. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Pchemist July 26, 2009, 12:09
Thank you for participating in fledgewatch!   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 12:14
Watching Froona and the way the light shines on her head it looks like she either has a helmut on or sunglasses pushed up on her forehead!  Cute!  She is looking good and probably ready now to fly with her family!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 12:17
I'm Lorac's husband, Bob. (I spelled my name backwards, too, but I don't see any difference.) 

Lol  ;D

Great to have you both here and a big thanks for looking out for Radissons's family for us!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 12:35
Yesterday I could see tufts of "baby fluff" on Froona's  head and back and today she looks as sleek as an adult!
All grown up!
Sure do like your name spelled backwards "BOB"!  Welcome to both you and Lorac.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 26, 2009, 12:58
I'm Lorac's husband, Bob. (I spelled my name backwards, too, but I don't see any difference.) 

Lol  ;D

Great to have you both here and a big thanks for looking out for Radissons's family for us!! 
Oh no :o :o, what am I going to call Dennis now?? :'(
Welcome aboard Lorac and Bob. Thanks for joining in. ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: ballywing July 26, 2009, 13:46
'Sinned' ?? ;D :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 26, 2009, 13:48
lolol ballywing.  ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 13:51
Froona has company!!!  Just flipped over from my game to check on her and there are 2 juvies home!!

Not sure which one of the boys it is but he's awfully cute and tubby looking  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:06
Looks great to see more than one!  Company for Froona............relaxed enough for both of them.......preening in earnest!  Always easier to do things together! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 14:16
It's Mr Red!  I can see his band on Cam 3 quite clearly now  :-*  Good job little guy, that means his flying is improving  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:25
It really is quite interesting that it has taken Froona so long to fledge.  I would have assumed that perhaps she would have followed on Wed. or Thurs. but if she doesn't take off today it will be that she is 7 days behind her sibs!  Is this common or are the females usually only a couple days behind the boys? ??? ???
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 14:26
You can really see the difference in their size now too!!!
She's a big girl.  And oh so beautiful!!

They both look very relaxed.  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 14:30
It's Mr Red!  I can see his band on Cam 3 quite clearly now  :-*  Good job little guy, that means his flying is improving  :D

Funny, when I was looking on Cam 1 that band looked blue but now that I see it on 3 it is definitely red!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 26, 2009, 14:32
It's Mr Red!  I can see his band on Cam 3 quite clearly now  :-*  Good job little guy, that means his flying is improving  :D
pssstt Carly.....look at the number of posts you have   8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 14:33
It's Mr Red!  I can see his band on Cam 3 quite clearly now  :-*  Good job little guy, that means his flying is improving  :D
pssstt Carly.....look at the number of posts you have   8)

You go girl!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:36
Mr. Red...come on Froona you can do it?   Froona....leave me alone, I'll do it when I am good and ready!  Kind of lookedlike she had her back up!! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 14:37
Girls are a few days behind the boys and these boys actually fledged on day 37 which is early..not out of the ordinary but in contrast the Winnepeg boys fledged what around day 40 so when Vesper went she was in fact around the same age as Froona is today (43 days old) - TPC can correct my memory if it's wrong.  My boys here didnt' fledge until day 40 while last year all the males and females fledged on Day 39 together so it varies.  

I thought Froona was going to go this morning to be honest and I think she might have but mom brought food in when she jumped up to the roof - perhaps in an effort to keep her grounded until the boys are settled.  I also think the loss of Mr White would be a contributing factor and all the rescues.  The parents can only handle so many chicks flying and falling at the same time.  
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:40
Thanks Carly! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 14:45
So nice to see the two together.  I was glad to see it was Mr Red because he may be happy to hang around with Froona for awhile.  Mr Junior Ace Green would probably be too excited with his new skills to do more than touch and go!

Thanks for the recap of days old when fledging, Carly.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 14:50
They are both fairly watchful and look like they're vocal.  Must be flying displays, and/or food flyby teasing going on.

Froona is taking some time off to preen.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 14:52
Both up on the roof now!!  Will she go??!!  Mr Red went!!  Will she follow??!!  She's moved to the lamp!

They must be on that rooftop nearby or something, she looks pretty intent with her glaring and her vocalizing!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:56
Will she fly??????????
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 14:58
She seems a bit "antsy"!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 15:01
She seems a bit "antsy"!

I think the word you're looking for is 'hungry'...lol  ;D ;D 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 15:03
That's it!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:04
She really does want to go   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 15:06
She really does want to go   :o

I agree, she just needs to get her courage up.  Can't say I blame her, it's a long way down...you have to admire their courage to make that leap  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:10
I know I wouldn't take that leap  :o  I'd be skeert LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Pchemist July 26, 2009, 15:19
me too!  I did a ropes course thingy once and really was stunned when I did actually try the leap of faith thing (to much applause, if not much success)

so, I'd hang out longer too, if I were her.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:21
Well, it looks like it ain't gonna be anytime soon   :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 15:22
Awww...how cute, she's laying down on the roof  :-*  All that activity tuckered her out  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 15:34
Perhaps she wants to wait for it to cool down a little before having an adventure.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 15:42
Oh who is dat smooching with Froona on the roof?  Looks like an adult..mom is that you???  Where is Froona's lunch!!  Nope must be a boy or little 'dad'  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:46
I dunno carly, I thought it was a adult also.

Oh, looks like Mr. Red again from my angle
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 15:53
Could be, that would explain her kisses - she probably smells food on his breath and wants some  ;D ;D 

I'm glad he's back to visit with her but next time bring a snack bro..boys  ::)!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:55
and that was officially carly's 3000th post.    :-* :-* :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 26, 2009, 15:57
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D    Carly.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 15:58
And I don't even wanna know what falcon breath smells like  :-X
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 16:00
I was hoping you wouldn't notice ...  i'm officially Chatty Carly now  :-[ 

Chatty Carly dances on her balcony in the moonlight  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 16:03
And I don't even wanna know what falcon breath smells like  :-X

Lol..actually falcons smell nice..surprisingly.  When we had Mackenzie wrapped up in my jacket..after we put him in the carrier the guys said I should wash my jacket just in case of any bugs or anything but it was totally clean and it smelt like almost a baby powderish kind of scent.  Of course I didn't stick my nose up to his little beak so you could be right about the breath thing...I was more worried he'd bite my nose  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 16:06
I was hoping you wouldn't notice ...  i'm officially Chatty Carly now  :-[ 

Chatty Carly dances on her balcony in the moonlight  ;D

You didn't think we would let that go by without acknowledging it did you??   :-* Not a chance.

Yeah, I'd be a little concerned about my nose next to a beak that size too.   :o
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 16:11
Both laying down now.  Froona looks almost depressed and little bro is trying to cheer her up  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 16:14
I still think she's feeling too hot to be active.
Oh look, she is getting a lecture from bro!  Maybe Froona can get him to chill out by promising to go later when it's cool and shady.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 16:17
Hey check this out!!  I think this is Bev's biologist Gord from this nest site!  Apparently he's not only 'The Peregrine Man' but he won awards from BBC for his photography!!

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Peregrine/1830433/story.html
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 16:22
I love the running commentary that people provide for these kids.  It's very imaginative LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 17:04
Looks like it's still nap time for Froona and Mr Red, they must be enjoying the shade..now if only mom would show up with some food..they could have a rooftop picnic  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 17:31
Uh oh..nap time is over and wings are up  :o  aaannnd they're back down, just a stretch  :-\

Hey is that food on the roof or are they just ripping the cable apart  :o  Darn must have missed a food drop when I was getting my gelate out of the freezer.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 26, 2009, 20:05
What a nice brother!! He has been hangin' out with sis for a couple of hours now  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 26, 2009, 20:08
Thanks for all the fledging updates, Carly! And congrats on all the posts! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 26, 2009, 20:22
Guess the lure of food finally enticed little red away from our girl.  I'm off to bed but hopefully we'll have a report from Eli or Lorac or backwards Bob  ;) for me to read in the morning.

Froona on top of the nest box looking at something!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 26, 2009, 20:43
Kind of looks like there was a party of sorts on that little roof! :-\  Nice Froona had company for awhile though! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 26, 2009, 20:45
Now Froona, it is too late to be thinking of any funny stuff.  You just relax, settle in for a quiet evening and a good sleep.  Tomorrow could be your big day!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Whitehorse July 26, 2009, 20:49
She seems to be looking around a bit up there!  Must like the view! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Whitehorse July 26, 2009, 20:50
That is Froona on the roof?   

Or is it one of the brothers?
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: Ellie July 26, 2009, 20:51
Sure hope she sleeps on the roof tonight as that nest box must be "hot and moving" not to mention the "aromas" from the heat!! ::)
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: Whitehorse July 26, 2009, 20:53
I saw a lovley golden eagle up here the other day, have had no luck in finding out if we have any falcons around Whitehorse, still checking in with Renewable Resources.

I hope Froona is going to get some sleep for a big day tomorrow!
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: lorac July 26, 2009, 22:53
Hello all!   Bob and I are just back from our "shift".  Bev, Peter, Becky and Dave were still there when we left as Ms. Froona waited until we'd decided that she had bedded down for the night and then she stood up and proceeded to eat (with GREAT gusto) some sort of tasty bit.

Anyway, I'm off to find a glass of wine.  I'm sure there's one nearby.  Mr. and Ms. Bev will be home shortly (she promised) and Mr. Bev will be giving a detailed update.  It was a fun evening.
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: sami July 26, 2009, 23:03
Saw Froona in the box earlier - don't blame her for moving out onto the roof for the day. She looked absolutely huge in the box. Is she bigger than Cassie was? It may well be just my memory of last year, but while Cassie was a good size, being an only chick, Froona looks to be even bigger.
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 00:21
Looking at both cam 1 and cam 3, I'm very certain I see one on the far rung, but less certain that one is lying on the roof.  So, it looks like someone (Mr Red?) has come for the night to be with Froona.
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: bev. July 27, 2009, 00:22
Mr. Bev here.  The day today started off "relatively quiet".  One of the chicks was on the heart bldg.  The other was on CSB.  I am not identifying them as yet as it got a little confusing.  And as usual Froona started the day off flapping and squawking.  The adults came in and one of them flew into the nest box and forced Froona out on to the roof of the nest box.  Froona went back into the nest box and ate after adult left.  

The boys are becoming quite the flyers.  Mr. Yellow flew off the heart bldg. and flew around and ended up on the College Plaza.  From there he flew over to Father's usual perch where he stayed for quite some time.  He eventually flew back over to the heart building.  

This is when things got hectic and confusing.  The boys were all well fed throughout the day, especially Mr. Red.  When Mr. Yellow flew back, Mr. Red started flying and they both ended up in relatively the same place.  We confused the two for quite a while as the adults were flying around and feeding them.  We lost track of Mr. Red for a while but found him on the side of the CSB.  The two flew back and forth and we thought Mr. Yellow was Mr. Red and Mr. Red was Mr. Yellow as we could not see their bands.  Finally as you saw in the pictures that were posted today, Mr. Red was identified when he landed on the roof of the nest box and stayed with Froona.  We were able to see his band to identify him.  Thus ended most of the confusion.  As you can see in the pictures, Mr. Red and Froona touched beaks considerably.  They were always close as small chicks and seems that this is still the case.  Mr. Red stayed with Froona for quite some time.  

What was surpising was the way not only Mr. Yellow flew but how strong and well Mr. Red flew.  It was quite windy and they managed to fly around with little difficulty.  Only once did Bev try and help by flapping her arms from the ground.  Don't laugh!!  It seemed to work.  He made it.

Froona was quite upset during the evening as the boys spent a great deal of their time on the Heart bldg.  She squawked a lot.  The boys took a few more laps around the building and landed on the CSB.  Mom was on the window washer arm on top of the Heart bldg. watching all this.  Then, cheeky Mr. Red flew over and knocked her off her perch.  She flew around and landed again.  Mr. Red immediately knocked her off the perch again.  She had enough and left and perched on another bldg.  Things settled down a bit, but Froona still flapped on top of the nest box.  Finally, one of the boys flew over.  We had to leave at this point, so hope everything is quiet now.

I will be gone tomorrow , Bev will be calling some people to post on the Manitoba site as they are familiar with that forum.  

Carly if you have the time would you post what these people post on bird cams around the world.  If you don't have the time, I will try to post when I go home.

Froona should fly tomorrow so Bev should have an interesting day.  Should lose a few more pounds running.  What a way to diet, better than Jenny Craig.  Doesn't seem to work the same for me though.
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 00:27
Thank you so much Mr Bev for the report.  It does look like it is a peaceful night. Must be Froona then still on the roof.

Sleep well tonight, Bev!  A day of excitement likely tomorrow!
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: bob July 27, 2009, 00:28
Hi y'all.  Backwards Bob here. (I like it Carly, can I use it?) We were fortunate enough to see some flying.

I'll pick up where Mr. Bev left off (he was dealing with AMA at the time)

At about 5:45, one of the parents flew from the Heart building, swooped in front of the nest box and then back to the Heart building. About 15 minutes later, it returned bearing food. First it flew into the nest box, then out and came back almost immediatley to the top of the nest box and left food for Froona and Red. Bev said that Red had gorged all day, so he really didn't need any more. About 6:10, there was lots of flapping going on.

At about 6:30, Mama went to the top of another wing of the Clinical Sciences Building and squawked for awhile. Bev thought she was trying to get Froona to fly up to her (that's what she did last year for that female chick). Froona didn't budge. Shortly after 7, Papa flew up to the top of the b and alit behind Mama. She took off and flew over to the Heart buiding. That seemed to wake up the kids for it set off another round of stretching and flapping. Papa followed Mama to the Heart Building a few minutes later.  

Part 2 follows:
 
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: bob July 27, 2009, 00:32
One of the parents seems to have circled back to the nestbox while I wasn't watching because about 7:10, Red flew from the top of the nest box to the top of the Heart building. The parent flew from the nest box to the ledge below and Froona remained put. The parent had a good snack on the ledge below the nest box while (I think) Red got mad and squawked for awhile.  Froona stayed put ... but seems she had food because she ate some more just before we left at nine.

That's what I know.
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: Alison July 27, 2009, 00:41
Thank you so much to Mr. Bev, Bob, and all the fledge watchers for all the great reports! It's good to know that Mr. Red and Mr. Yellow are flying so well. I wish there had been some news of Mr. White.

Froona looks as if she may spend the night on top of the nest box. As it was getting quite dark, one of her brothers arrived to keep her company. It was too dark to be able to see bands.

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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 00:44
Fabulous pictures Alison,  love the ones of Froona on the cam!
So nice to know she has company tonight.
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: BirdLover July 27, 2009, 04:12
You all are just awesome!! Thank you so much for all the reports on our kids out in Edmonton.  It's just like being right there, your descriptions are so clear.

Keep up the great work!!

 :-* :-*

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: carly July 27, 2009, 04:48
5:47 am EST and I see 2 of them in the dark.  One on top of the corner of the box and one on the wrungs!!  Now to go back and read the reports!

!
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: carly July 27, 2009, 04:52
Hi y'all.  Backwards Bob here. (I like it Carly, can I use it?)

Yes of course, if the shoe fits...hehe  ;D
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: carly July 27, 2009, 05:01
Great reports Mr Bev and Backwards Bob  ;).  Should be an exciting day today with our girl expected to take to the skies, I think she's in good shape though and with the boys flying so well - hopefully she will surprise us all and do really well on her first flight out.  Have a good trip Mr Bev!
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: carly July 27, 2009, 06:35
7:34 am EST and just arrived at work.  Froona is still up on the roof of the nestbox..no sign now of Mr Red. 

7:37: Wings up and vocalizing.  Up on lamp now vocalizing...
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: carly July 27, 2009, 07:18
8:17 am EST: Oh...someone there with Froona on rooftop now.  Mr Red possibly.
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: Ellie July 27, 2009, 09:19
Question........what is the longest number of days since hatching that it has taken for a falcon to fledge?  Seems I have read it on this forum somewhere ????? but can't find it! ???
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: carly July 27, 2009, 09:32
Question........what is the longest number of days since hatching that it has taken for a falcon to fledge?  Seems I have read it on this forum somewhere ????? but can't find it! ???

They can take up to 50 days Ellie - at least that's what the biologists say.  I think Cassie went to what, 44 or 45 days was it?  Can't remember exactly but Bev would know, she took awhile as she was an lone chick. 

Fledge times can occur anywhere between 36 days and 50 days is usually what you see published.  There is nothing wrong with going later, it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them.
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: carly July 27, 2009, 09:40
Ok need to leave desk for a bit, I hope someone else is keeping an eye on her cause I think she'll go today...unless it's stinking hot there again today...haven't seen a feed yet so they might starve her out  :P
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: carly July 27, 2009, 10:08
Lol..here I was thinking she might go and she's laying down again  :P
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: allikat July 27, 2009, 10:31
Lol..here I was thinking she might go and she's laying down again  :P
Girls... ::) 
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: carly July 27, 2009, 11:08
Seems like she's trying to find a way in through the window...to take the elevator down no doubt..lol... ::)  Okay well I'll just lay down again since I can't.  She ain't budging and we can't make her it seems... ::)
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 11:38
Well, she is still there, folks. 

Looks like her attention is caught by goings on above and around her.  She doesn't look very antsy though. 

Has she been fed today?
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: carly July 27, 2009, 11:45
Not that I've seen bcbird but i've been away from desk a bit.
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 11:52
Thanks Carly.
Wow, she is pretty lively and vocal right now!  There must be fly bys happening.  She was on the cam and got into a flap, then hopped down flapping and yelling but didn't go off the roof.  She is being taunted and teased no doubt.
She has a gorgeous wingspan!
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: carly July 27, 2009, 11:58
Doesn't she just!  she's going to be a beauty to watch flying!
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: carly July 27, 2009, 12:03
I think she has inherited Radisson's stubborness  :P  Poor Bev, she must be thinking..fly already I'm tired and need sleep!!  ;D
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 12:14
Rats, I have to go our for a couple of hours to do errands with my Mom.  Happy watching, and GOOD LUCK Bev and Froona!
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: carly July 27, 2009, 13:06
Well Bev must be getting an earful because Froona hasn't stopped yelling for about a half hour now.  Just on top of the lamp vocalizing her little lungs out... 

When she pulls her wings up she has good control, not wobbly at all..if she could just get her nerve up I think she would do well.
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: carly July 27, 2009, 13:55
We have lift off  2:54 PM EST!!!
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: ballywing July 27, 2009, 13:59
Ack!! - I missed it!!  :-\ - Where'd she go....? - I'm sure Bev has it all under control! ;D...HEY, somebody is back on the roof, is she back?  ???
...Now gone again. Cam is playing tricks methinks.  ::)
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: carly July 27, 2009, 14:06
Honestly, one minute she was on the roof...refresh and she was gone.  I checked inside the box and the third view just in case but she poofed!!  SHe was facing me before the refresh so perhaps she went to that roof top a bit below.

I hope she's okay, she was certainly strong and ready so talons crossed she had a safe first flight! 
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: lorac July 27, 2009, 14:06
I just heard from Bev.  

No, sorry -- Froona didn't fly.  You've all seen the pictures of the white contraptions that are just below the nest box.  Well, it seems that Lady Froona has managed to get herself on the inside of the round part.  She hasn't figured out yet how to get out of there, but one of the males had been in there before, and maybe will show the poor girl how to get out.  Bev says that, if she could just move to the right-hand side of it, she'd be okay.  If only Froona would listen.  At any rate, she's not in danger -- just a little inconvenient for her for the time being.

Ona more postive note, Bev also reports that Red and Yellow have been flying around and playing ... bumping into each other.  
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: carly July 27, 2009, 14:08
Ack..oh no..I was really hoping she soared...*sigh* poor girl.  :-\  Thanks Lorac for that.  Keep us posted please, I'll worry now... :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 27, 2009, 14:25
Leaving office, stopping for groceries then will be home to check on our girl. 
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 15:18
Back, and both elated and chagrined to see our Miss had disappeared while I was out.  Thanks for giving us the info, Lorac.
She must be just below the cam view.  Wasn't it Mr Red that had a time down there?
Come on brother, get her going!
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: Elaine L July 27, 2009, 16:04
Just got back from my shift at the CSB.  Froona was still on the white structure and staying put, despite the fact that one of the parents flew by twice, with food in its talons, to try and entice her to fly, but although she did alot of screeching, no way was she going.  She has not eaten so far today, so we will see if the parents relent and drop food off for her where she is now perched.  Mr. Red flew over to the side of the CSB a couple of hours ago to join his sister, and he and Froona spent much time looking at each other, but finally he went around the corner, on to a ledge, and decided to have a nap.

The boys have all been flying well, and the parents have been flying high above us, catching the cool breeze up there, as it is another hot day today. 

We have been spending alot of time answering questions from people who pass by, but everyone is very positive and enthusiastic about the falcons, and are happy we are there for them.  CBC wants to interview Bev again, but she doesn't want to, as she feels she does not have time for them, but I don't think that will stop them; I expect the CBC guy will show up again soon, so we will figure something out for PR purposes, despite the fact that it is hard to talk to them and watch the birds at the same time.

Anyway, we had three people there when I left, and I expect more this evening; my only regret right now is that I could miss Froona's first flight.

Still no sign and no word of Mr. White; I believe that if he was at the Wildlife Rehab Centre with an injury, we would have heard about it by now from the biologist.
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: carly July 27, 2009, 16:26
hi Eli, Just got home and was hoping for some news, thank you so much for your update!  Glad to hear our family is doing well, and so sad about Mr White...I keep hoping he's out there hiding somewhere. 

Poor Bev, I remember last year how frustrated she was that there was no awareness of the falcons and their plight and we all encouraged her to go out there and start something and commiserated.  Lol..now she's a star and has to turn away interviews!!  She deserves all the recognition for all the hard work she has done, she has put her heart and soul into this site and the falcons...I'm happy she is now being recognized for it and getting help with the watches!  She is the best  :-*  And so are you Eli, it's such a relief knowing you and Lorac and Bob and others have pitched in to help out! 

Cheers and thank you!
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: lorac July 27, 2009, 16:29
Thanks, Eli.  Arghhhhh....I want to go over this evening.  But we have a trip coming up this weekend, and we'll be at CSB tomorrow evening and Thursday, so I'd better spend this evening shopping and doing laundry.  But like you, I'm afraid I'll miss Froona's first flight.

It's frustrating when you can't see what's happening.

P.S. Don't you wish you had a dollar for every person who says "So, what are you guys looking at?"
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 27, 2009, 16:43

P.S. Don't you wish you had a dollar for every person who says "So, what are you guys looking at?"

Yep, I get it all the time here lorac.  Mainly when I am standing in the middle of the bus terminal which is right beside the MTS tower in downtown Brandon.   ;D ;D

I always tell them....and if I get through to just one, I am happy.
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: ballywing July 27, 2009, 17:05
Poor Bev, I remember last year how frustrated she was that there was no awareness of the falcons and their plight and we all encouraged her to go out there and start something  Lol..now she's a star and has to turn away interviews!!  She deserves all the recognition for all the hard work she has done, she has put her heart and soul into this site and the falcons...Cheers and thank you!
I've been doing alot of 'DITTO'-ing lately  -and here's another one! Cheers to Bev!! ;D
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: Ellie July 27, 2009, 17:32
Well I missed it too!  Home all day yesterday and today I go out ........voila...Froona finally leaves the nest box :o
I am happy that  she has started out but feel badly she went down and can't figure out how to get out of there.  They will keep dangling food in front of her I am sure.  Needs to be hungrier I guess.  Good luck Froona! ;D
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: Liz July 27, 2009, 18:19
Poor Bev, I remember last year how frustrated she was that there was no awareness of the falcons and their plight and we all encouraged her to go out there and start something  Lol..now she's a star and has to turn away interviews!!  She deserves all the recognition for all the hard work she has done, she has put her heart and soul into this site and the falcons...Cheers and thank you!
I've been doing alot of 'DITTO'-ing lately  -and here's another one! Cheers to Bev!! ;D
And another ditto -- great job, bev! 
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 18:51
Another ditto. 
You said it very well, Carly. 
Congratulations, Bev, on raising the awareness of this site, even if it feels like you are a bit of a victim of your own success!
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: allikat July 27, 2009, 19:54
Thanks for the updates everyone! 
Thank you Bev, Mr. Bev (Peter), Eli, Carly and Lorac..

This is exciting news about Froona, Mr. Red and Mr. Yellow......I'm sorry that there has been no word on Mr. White.  As everyone says (to try to keep us human positive), no news is good news.  We can only wait and see about Mr. White.  Let's not lose faith on him yet folks, you never know where he may be.

Great news about Froona....fly girl, fly!!!!!
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: lorac July 27, 2009, 21:51
Hello everyone.  I'd planned to post hours earlier (I promised Bev I would).  Bob and I swung by CSB after work.  For anyone familiar with Edmonton, I'm sure that you'll understand, as we do, that certainly crossing the river and going over to the University is the most direct route between downtown Edmonton (where we work) and St. Albert (where we live).  NOT.  But, we had to see and couldn't wait for our shift tomorrow evening.

When we left at 5:35 p.m. MDT, Lady Froona was sitting, looking forlorne and dejected, as if saying "How the heck did I get my big old self here?".  She was sitting in the square contraption -- the one with the floor.  At times, she'd go to the back of it and wouldn't be visible from where we sat.

Her brothers, on the other hand, were having a nice time on the roof of the Mazankowski (Heart) building.  The parents were strategically placed so that they could see all the kids.  Dad was perched on the top of an apartment building that's just across and a little north of the Mazankowski where he'd be able to watch the boys, and Mom was perched on top of an antennae on top of College Plaza (or the one next to it) having a completely unobstructed view of the nest box, and Ms. Froona on CSB.

I'm looking forward to the next reports. :D
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: bcbird July 27, 2009, 21:57
Thanks for the update on everyone's whereabouts, Lorac!
Poor big Froona.  I wonder if some of her dejection is lack of food?
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: allikat July 27, 2009, 22:03
Thank you for that update Lorac.....can't wait until tomorrow!
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: lorac July 27, 2009, 22:08
As of the time Bob and I were there, she hadn't eaten all day -- not since about 8:30 last night.  However, the speculation was that since she hadn't eaten all day, and did need some strength, likely one of the parents would bring her some food.

Poor dear Froona, indeed.  She just looked the biggest, loneliest, most woe-begotten bird in the whole world.  While her brothers flipped and flew,  poor Froona sits all alone ... just big and flightless.  You gotta love the under-dog, and that's what she is today.

But just wait until tomorrow.  She's going to fly and she's going to be amazing!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 27, 2009, 22:17
Hi hope Mr Red will return for the night to keep her company.  I sure wish we could see her in the cam.
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: allikat July 27, 2009, 22:19
Froona will fly and fly high....
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: carly July 28, 2009, 05:14
*sigh* 6:13 am EST and no falcons in the box, on top of the box or out on the wrungs.  I hate this time of year cause we know it's almost over for a few months until Australia anyway... :-\
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: bev. July 28, 2009, 08:35
Good Morning.  Mr. Bev here.  Some interesting times last night.  We had a little rain storm along with some stronger winds.  The "boys" didn't seem to want to slow down.  They tried their flying from place to place and found out that it wasn't as easy as it looked when Mom and Dad did it.  They tried several times to go from the Heart building to CSB but had difficulty, like the gymnasts, sticking their landings.  They did make it back to the Heart.  One took off again and the wind caught him and blew him way south of the University.  Mom took off and caught up with him and flew around him and steered him back to the Heart building.  Its amazing how they do that.  Froona sat for most of the time on the rail of the white stand below the nest box.  All of a sudden she disappeared and we could not find her.  We still don't know where she went.  We searched till dark.  Bev and I went down there this morning and with the help of some other watchers found her clinging to the side of CSB at the top to the left of the nest box.  She looks just fine.  A construction worker went on the roof of the Heart building to check if he could find her.  He immediately got dive bombed by the parents.  He saw Mr. Red eating a pigeon and he didn't even slow down when he saw the worker.  Mr. Yellow was on Windsor Park building enjoying the view.  All 3 and both parents are accounted for and doing fine.  Froona should do a little flying today to get some food as she didn't get fed yesterday.  She has had her maiden voyage now so hopefully, it will be up, up, and away now and we should see some interesting flying.  We will keep you posted.
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: bccs July 28, 2009, 08:45
Thanks Mr. Bev, today's the day, I have one of Dennis' feelings.
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: lorac July 28, 2009, 10:01
Wow!  Can't wait to get over there this evening.
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: Saoirse July 28, 2009, 10:06
Wow -- you guys in Edmonton are having an exciting time with your falcon family. Wish I could be there to volunteer some help, but you're all doing a fantastic job of keeping track of them. Hope this is a great day for the birds to be flying!
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: carly July 28, 2009, 10:12
Just got out of meeting, thank you Peter for the report..I was worried about our girl!!
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: bcbird July 28, 2009, 10:23
Good for Froona, she got out of her white "cage."
Thanks Mr Bev for updating us.
Fly for food, Froona, fly!
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: bev. July 28, 2009, 10:28
Bev just called.  Froona made it on to the roof of the building.  Mom just flew in with food with the two males chasing and cacking behind her.  However, the food was for Froona.  She has now been fed.
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: Saoirse July 28, 2009, 10:30
Bev just called.  Froona made it on to the roof of the building.  Mom just flew in with food with the two males chasing and cacking behind her.  However, the food was for Froona.  She has now been fed.

That is such great news -- a very welcome update. We all spend so much time worrying about these chicks and the food they are or aren't receiving -- easy to forget that the parents really do know what they're doing!  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 28, 2009, 10:38
Bev just called.  Froona made it on to the roof of the building.  Mom just flew in with food with the two males chasing and cacking behind her.  However, the food was for Froona.  She has now been fed.

Woohooo...go Froona!!  Great, great news Mr Bev  ;D ;D ;D
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: BirdLover July 28, 2009, 11:46
YAY Froona!!! I knew you could do it! Aw, I am so happy for her I could just  :'(

Thanks so much for all the updates and great descriptions.  I wish you all well!!!
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: Ellie July 28, 2009, 12:35
I am so happy to hear Froona is doing well.  She seemed to be glued to that nest box! ::) I was just thinking how wonderful nature is and the inbred instincts that our animal and bird friends have to keep their species alive! The way Radisson took off after her yung'n and steered him back to the family "acreage".  Totally in awe ;D
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: Ellie July 28, 2009, 12:37
Thanks everyone for the great "watching" and for the updates so that we can feel like we are really there.  The "kids" seem to be doing very well!
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: bcbird July 28, 2009, 14:19
Yay!  Such great news about Froona!
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: allikat July 28, 2009, 14:23
Way to go Froona!  WOO HOO!
Thanks for all the updates everyone. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 28, 2009, 20:54
Hi guys.

Peter has sent me home early so I wanted to give you a report from me.
sorry I have not been able to write with the usual pictures .

I t has been so crazy. All the rescues were not becasue the kids were poor fliers .
I will tell you all about at the end of the watch.

Well Miss Froona certainly gave me a heart attack last night as did the boys. that wind storm came up so fast . I thought we would never see one of the boys again , he went so far.

It was just amazing to see mom take off so fast and just soar so quickly down and retrieve the youngster and steer him back. WOW!!

But when we lost Froona , my heart stopped. I did not want to leave but it was dark and I hoped for the best.

I did not want to go this morning but I could not desert them.

The construction guys have been so help ful and when they saw her  tears just rolled.
 :-* :-*

So today was not too eventful as I think they were all drying out form the storm.

Froona was fed 3 times while I was there an Peter said she was just fed again.
One of the boys went over and ate with here and they touched beaks several times and snuggled up on the ledge. By the way he acted I think it was RED but he would not show me his leg.
Dada came in with food with mom behind and they did a food exchange, with one of the boys cacking behind them all the way


 ;D ;D


Later in the afternoon , dad and  one youngster, flew in circles and around the buildings. Dad would quickly turn sideways and the youngster would touch talons. I guess they are practicing for the food exchange so they do not loose any more whole pigeons.

Froona is so beautiful and I promise we will start taking pictures soon.  It has just been too hectic and I did not want to take pictures and then miss something important.

After I do my hair I will post some Peter took form the other day.
Next week I will start posting like last year and you will be able to follow the kids with us.

Because this watch is new here I felt I should stay all day . but next year, we will have a few key people and then I will be able to get some rest.
Although I am tired, and have a lot of nerve racking moments. I would not trade it for anything.

Seeing each of the boys up close and personal has endeared me to them. they have their unique personalities. I am sad that we never did find out what happened to Mr. White but am concentrating on who we do have.
Mr. Red is a real stinker, and Mr. yellow is a gentleman.

 And Froona, bestill my heart.

Peter will  post his later and I am so glad that other people have posted when I e-mailed them or phoned them.

thanks Carly for posting when we asked you.
WE have a great fun bunch of people in the watch who I think are addicts :) :)

And most important we have created a big public awareness.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 28, 2009, 21:12
Many, many thanks to the fledge watchers for the great report and updates. Special thanks to Mr. Bev and Bev for the detailed reports today. It's so good to know all three are doing well, and especially that Froona has been flying and has been fed.

Bev, you are a wonderful advocate for these beautiful birds, and you have done so much to raise public awareness and appreciation of them. You have been doing a fantastic job, and your dedication to the fledge watch is unparalleled! These juvies are so lucky to have you and all the dedicated fledge volunteers watching over them.

Looking forward to more good reports and to seeing photos.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 28, 2009, 21:24
To Bev, Peter, Carly, Eli and Lorac...and others involved!

This has been a wonderful thread to follow.  Thank you so much for all you have done!

It's been wonderful to read about Mom, Dad, Mr. Red, Mr. Yellow and Froona and all the drama in between.  I know we have all been worried about Mr. White, but we don't in fact know where he is or what he's doing.  Let's try to think that Mr. White is okay...and concentrate on Mr. Red, Mr, Yellow and Froona as Bev wrote.

Bev...you must be exhausted!  Thank you for all your dedication and hard work and for making everyone aware of Peregrine Falcons.  Thank you just doesn't seem to be enough.  Thank you to Peter (Mr. Bev), and Carly for all of your hard work as well, keeping us phanatics up to date.  From all of the reports and updates, it feels like we're all right there with you!  I wish we were!

A very big, actually huge thank you to all involved in the U of Alberta's falcon fedgewatch! 

The most important moment to remember....We're here for the peregrines, to help them as much as we can and to create awareness so we can continue to help them for their future! 


: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Ellie July 28, 2009, 21:33
Thank you so much Bev and Mr. Bev and all else who have sent updates..........Thank You, Thank you! ;D ;D
It is great to hear how well the "kids" are doing and that Froona is on the way also.  Yes it would be nice to know what happened to Mr White ???..........perhaps you will know in time.  The other three are doing very well indeed!
Met with a cousin from Edm yesterday and told her about the Falcons........word of mouth works wonders!  Have a good sleep and enjoy the rest of the fledge. :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 28, 2009, 21:54
Thank you all! Allison and Allikat and Ellie have all said what I would say, so I will just say thanks!
BTW loved the discription of mama going after the boy that blew away. A totally aaaaaaaawwwww moment! :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 28, 2009, 22:21
On my way to bed but Peter just  phoned and I will let him tell you , but Froona just made her first big flight to the clinical science building  above nest box and then way over the heart building. :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 28, 2009, 22:28
Thanks for that last Froona news, Bev.

It's hard to add anything more to the thanks from those before me. 
Your dedication to the peregrines is so evident, but I'm grateful also for your dedication to reporting to us what you are seeing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bob July 28, 2009, 23:07
You mean to tell me that Carol and I stared at that bird for four hours as she strolled along the ledge of the CSB and stretched her wings in a leisurely manner now and then (no flapping) and that 15 minutes after we left, she flew? Darn! Rats! Drat! and other choice words I can think of in both official languages.  j/k.

Happily, we were treated to some fancy aerial displays with the boys playing tag and circling around above. We'll add an opportunity to view Froona's soaring to our list of experiences during our next shift on Thursday.  Congrats, girl!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 29, 2009, 00:12
Mr. Bev here.  Yes Bob and Carol, but it wasn't 15 minutes, it was just a couple of minutes.  In any event, the evening started out with us trying to get rid of Bev and send her home for a much needed break.  Froona was on the roof ledge of CSB catwalking.  She was fed at 6:00 PM then again shortly after 8:00 PM.  The two boys treated us to a great aerial display of playing tag.  Things settled down and we settled in to watch and make sure Froona would be OK.  The boys and the adults settled in as well.  Then just minutes after Bob and Carol left, Froona started to catwalk to the corner of the roof ledge.  Suddenly she took off, flew towards the nest box roof ledge then veered off and flew over the Heart building, with what seemed like very little effort.  There is no doubt that she is and will be a very strong flyer.  My feeble attempt to keep up and run around the Heart building didn't work very well and I was afraid I would loose her and wouldn't be able to find her.  As I got to the other side I looked around for her and there she was on another window washer arm looking like she was thinking, "well I got here, now what do I do".  I stayed and watched her till darkness fell.  She remained where she was.  Hopefully Bev will have no difficulty finding her in the morning.  Barring any unforseen circumstances, she will have no difficulty flying with her power and strength.  "What an amazingly beautiful wonder of nature she has turned out to be.  I'm off to bed.  Will keep you posted. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 29, 2009, 04:59
On my way to bed but Peter just  phoned and I will let him tell you , but Froona just made her first big flight to the clinical science building  above nest box and then way over the heart building. :-* :-*

Ha!  I knew she'd be a good flyer...(brags the proud step parent)!!  She took her time and waited until she was good and ready!  When I saw her out on the roof of the nest box and she'd flap..she was so strong, not wobbly at all so I had a feeling she would be good - no doubt the family genes are strong in this one   ;D

Thanks Bev and Mr Bev for your reports and thanks for sending Bev home to get some rest  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 29, 2009, 06:18
I want to add my thanks to Bev., Mr. Bev, and all the others involved in this very important task we have given ourselves.  It is a great pleasure for me to be part of this whole watch/forum.  I truly think we are making a difference and that we are passing along the word about what we are all doing and why.

I love hearing from all of you with your descriptions and running commentary.  I feel like I know the places and faces that you are talking about and that I am right there with you.

Bev. you are an amazing lady and have nothing to apologize when you say sorry for not posting and adding pics.  Darn girl, you are busy!  Just keep yourself hydrated and when the others tell ya to go rest, do it.  But, I really do appreciate all of your hard work.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 29, 2009, 12:50
Oh, I am dying to hear something from Bev or Mr. Bev ... or anyone.  I'd love to know how our Froona's doing -- even if I am a little mad at her.  Four hours I stared at that bird last night.  Four hours I hardly took my eyes off her.  And she waits until minutes after we leave to fly.  Fine, Froona ... be like that.

(Okay, I won't stay mad long.  *snap*  There.  I'm over it.)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 29, 2009, 13:02
Oh, I am dying to hear something from Bev or Mr. Bev ... or anyone.  I'd love to know how our Froona's doing -- even if I am a little mad at her.  Four hours I stared at that bird last night.  Four hours I hardly took my eyes off her.  And she waits until minutes after we leave to fly.  Fine, Froona ... be like that.

(Okay, I won't stay mad long.  *snap*  There.  I'm over it.)

Lol... ;D  I'm anxious to hear how she is doing as well.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 29, 2009, 13:12
Hard to stay mad even when they are being little buggers isn't it lorac. ::) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 29, 2009, 16:22
OOOOH, I wonder what adventures are happening today!

How perfect that Froona took a beautiful strong flight.  She waited until her family was all settled so they could all watch!  It wasn't mentioned, but has she quieted down any, now that she sorted out the fledging thing?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 29, 2009, 16:59
I'm not sure about today, but last night (pre-flight), she was so lovely and peaceful.  She just leisurely cat-walked around the outside of the roof of the CSB, occasionally perching on the corner watching all of Edmonton go by.  There was no sound at all from her, and really -- why should there be?  She sure wasn't hungry.  Not with two pigeons in two hours.  I'm surprised she was able to fly with such a full belly.  You wouldn't have known it was the same girl who had been so vocal and agitated just a couple of nights before.  No cawking ... no wing-flapping.

I won't be able to go over there this evening, so we're looking forward to getting updates from Mr. & Mrs. Bev or one of the others.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 29, 2009, 17:06
Awww... what a good girl that Froona is.  Thanks for that comment, Lorac!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Liz July 29, 2009, 18:40
bev, Peter, bob et al -- It's all been well-said already and ditto, but thanks for your dedication and reports! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 30, 2009, 08:43
I couldn't get on the Internet last night, so could not report. 

Yesterday evening, just before I arrived, Froona was on top of the heart institute, and very comfortable; but she got scared off by maintenance people who opened the door on the roof.  She was panicky, and flew to the CSB, but could not seem to find a place to land, and sort of hit, or fluttered against, the side of the building; she then flew over the CSB and then the heart institute, and finally landed across the street on one of the ledges on Newton Place.  We do not think she was injured, but she was in a tight spot on the ledge, and could not stretch her wings, and we believe she lost her confidence.  Her brothers landed on the roof of Newton Place, and they flew around to encourage her to fly up to them, but she didn't budge.  The boys then played aerial tag and catch-me-if-you-can for a while, enjoying their flying skills.  Although Froona watched them, and did alot of calling, she did not join them.  The parents flew over a few times, and kept an eye on things. 

It will be somewhat difficult for her to fly off that edge because she does not have room for wing-flapping, so even though she has the power, she also has the weight, and she would have to really launch herself off the side of the building to gain altitude; at the time I left, we did not think she felt secure enough to do that.  At the time I left, at 9:00 p.m., she was still there.

Other than this, our youngsters were doing very well; but Bev, I know, will be down there first thing this morning; we are all concerned about how Froona will lift off and gain the needed altitude from such a narrow ledge.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 30, 2009, 09:41
Anxiously waiting to hear how Froona made out getting off the ledge this morning!! Any news would be greatly appreciated.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 09:47
oh gees poor Froona, darn workers.  Thanks for the report Eli, I was wondering how she was doing. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bob July 30, 2009, 10:36
If we hear something during the day, Carol or I will post an update. At the very least, we'll post something after our evening shift tonight. We're hoping, like the rest of you, that Froona gets the courage she needs to get airborne again.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 30, 2009, 10:46
Thanks Bob, keeping our fingers crossed here.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 30, 2009, 12:09
If we hear something during the day, Carol or I will post an update. At the very least, we'll post something after our evening shift tonight. We're hoping, like the rest of you, that Froona gets the courage she needs to get airborne again.

Thanks backwards bob.   ;D  Appreciate that!   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 30, 2009, 12:20
Thinking good thoughts of powerful away and up flight for our Froona!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 30, 2009, 12:37
oh gees poor Froona, darn workers.
"darn" nothin' - d*** workers!!! She probably needs a little rest time to get up her nerve again. She is strong. We need to remember that!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 30, 2009, 14:10
It's raining here in Edmonton right now, with a chance of thundershowers later, so I'm really hoping that she's soared again by now and is somewhere cozy with her brothers.  Bob and I won't be able to be there for another four hours (after work), so I'm hoping someone can update in the meantime.  It's a worry, for sure.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 30, 2009, 15:20
Good news!

I've just heard from Bev:

Bev and Peter arrived at the University at 5:30 this morning.  Froona was fine.  She had been able to lift off and was doing her best to achieve a nice high flight.  However, her brothers misunderstood her intent and thought she wanted to play, so they kept trying to play tag with her -- forcing her to fly low.  Anyway, all went well for a while and she ended up back on the Mazankowski.  HOWEVER ...

After things went well for a while, and just before the rain, there was an intruder!  Bev thinks it was a juvenile from somewhere who was chasing our adult male.  While this drama was unfolding, mom got all the kids over to Newton Place.  All is well now, though.  Our Lady Froona is safely on top of Newton Place -- where she can fly on and off with relative ease -- and Bev has accounted for three juveniles and two adults.

The drama!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Saoirse July 30, 2009, 15:21
Much too much drama, Lorac -- but your report was really welcome. It's so good to know that all of the chicks, Froona in particular given her last reported situation, are well and safe!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 30, 2009, 15:24
Oh, that is so good to hear.  Thank you so much for the update, lorac.  Interesting how mum herded everyone to a safe location.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: birdcamfan July 30, 2009, 16:11
Great news. Hope you can all get some rest soon.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 16:25
Excellent news Lorac..thank you, thank you!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 30, 2009, 17:51
Okay I'll ask the stupid question. If it was a juvie intruder, any chance it could of been Mr. White who has been missing?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 30, 2009, 17:59
Wouldn't think so - wouldn't the parents have recognized him - probably would have been feeding him along the way as he wouldn't have been able to manage on his own yet. Would be nice if he did reappear, though.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 30, 2009, 18:07
Thank you Lorac for giving us the news we were hoping for, and then even more.  Maybe you have an exciting evening ahead... all good exciting, I hope.

If it looked like a Juvie then I guess it couldn't be either Hope or Cassie from last year, could it?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Pchemist July 30, 2009, 18:09
would it be normal for a juvie to intrude on adult territory at this point in the season?

could it have been a merlin?
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 30, 2009, 18:15
You're right Sami, didn't even think of that, duh!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 18:17
Okay I'll ask the stupid question. If it was a juvie intruder, any chance it could of been Mr. White who has been missing?

Now I feel like crap, it never even occured to me that it might be him.  I sure hope it wasn't him and he got driven off :(.  Might just have been a juvie from another site out exploring, there is another site downtown there Bev said.  

CPF told me that a juvie could last about week without food...not sure if they could go longer...TPC might be better qualified to answer that question.  

That being said, his siblings would recognize him I think.  When one of juvies in Hamilton last year got hurt, he was in rehab about 1 week.  When they released him back to the nest site, the father attacked him thinking he was an intruder.  Miles was his name and so he fled to his brothers and when the male (dad) saw the brothers excepting him..he calmed down and then they accepted him back.

: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 18:19
would it be normal for a juvie to intrude on adult territory at this point in the season?

could it have been a merlin?

Juvies are out exploring and expanding their horizons at this point - well depending on when they fledged but they wouldn't really know much about who's territory is where at this point. 

 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 30, 2009, 18:19
I'm thinking that a merlin would be fairly easy to spot as they are a lot smaller than a peregrine.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 18:22
I'm thinking that a merlin would be fairly easy to spot as they are a lot smaller than a peregrine.

True but during fledge watch it can get confusing sometimes about what you see or who you see.  You've got 3 young to track, 2 adults and suddenly a parent starts alarming...birds are wizzing in all directions quite rapidly. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 30, 2009, 18:28
Yup, they are all pretty fast.  That's for sure.  The merlin would be the right colour too.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 18:31
You know something just occured to me as I was typing that story about Miles and Surge forgetting him after 1 week.  How does that happen and then a juvie comes back a year later and the parent remembers them like the few in Europe that have done so?   Do European falcons have better memories??  Maybe Euro falcons can read and they recognize the band numbers?  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 30, 2009, 19:12
WOW!!!!  What drama!

It would be nice to know who that "intruder" is/was?  I know that Mr. White hasn't been spotted in awhile, but it could be him.  But since he didn't stick around and Radisson rounded up the kids, then probably not.  However, as Carly wrote, there is another site.  I don't know the proximity between both sites, however is it a possibility that a juvie flew just a little too far?  Was it a juvie from last year?  Was it a merlin? 
But aren't the questions wonderful....look what we are all asking. Pretty  8)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 19:17
URGENT:  BEV NEEDS OUR HELP...ANOTHER FALCON PAIR MAY BE ATTEMPTING A TERRITORIAL TAKEOVE..PLEASE WATCH THE CAM IF YOU CAN...

SHE JUST CALLED ME AND ASKED FOR OUR HELP...I HAVE HER PHONE NUMBER IF WE SEE ANYTHING

THANK YOU!

THERE HAS BEEN FIGHTING GOING ON BETWEEN ADULTS ..AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Saoirse July 30, 2009, 19:25
The only cam site for U of Alberta I know about is http://www.falconcam.med.ualberta.ca -- is that the one you're meaning, Carly? Can't see anything much other than the nest box.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 30, 2009, 19:26
i have a window open for each of the three cams .... nothing going on .... yet
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 19:27
Yes, and apologies for the caps.  From what I could get from Bev, there has been some sort of fighting going on all afternoon and she thinks it's another adult pair - I expect with all that and 3 juvies - no doubt it's crazy down there.  She just asked we watch the box in case because she's not even sure it's still our parents who are there now...  

I expect most of the fighting would be aerial but if we seen adult in the box..we can check the bands at least is what she is hoping for. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 30, 2009, 19:36
OH NO NO NO!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 20:02
This waiting is agonizing...seems like only yesterday we were watching George and Weezie bringing sticks into this box  :-\
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 30, 2009, 20:15
Tell me about it!  I was thinking about George and Weezie this morning, that's weird!

Oh I hope everthing/every bird/everyone (BEV and MR. BEV and other spotters) are okay!!! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 20:31
Me too, I'm hoping it was just some birds flying through and not realizing this area was taken...  I'll stay up a bit and if no one comes on with an update then I'll call down there.  I just dont' want to distract them if there is trouble.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 30, 2009, 20:42
I only saw Bev mention two other sites and that was the Weber with Miss Edmonton and Beau. There was trouble there with an intruder at one time. Then later on Beau disappeared, don't know if related. Then she mentioned Misrecordia nest in Edmonton when she told us how one of their chicks had been moved to the nest in Red Deer after they had lost all but one of their chicks. Don't know if this Misrecordia nest in Edmonton is in the same territory. You wouldn't think that if both have raised young to fledging that there would be a war now. Why would this be happening now? Modifing this to read unless like Carly said some pair just flying through.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 21:02
Good point Linderlou, and if I wasn't so busy panicking I should have thought of that.  These birds migrate, it's almost August..what would be the point at this time of year.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 30, 2009, 21:12
Hi Carly, any news yet, I think it has been a couple of hours. Even an all clear sign would do from the watchers.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 30, 2009, 21:17
I just called Bev and here is the update:

The other pair seems to have left the area.  They do have some pictures of the battle that took place in the air today so it was definitely another pair of peregrines and people have confirmed another pair has been hanging around somewhere near there.

So far Radisson has been confirmed as there but they are not 100% on Damon but they think it is him back on his perch now. 

The kids are doing good, Froona was not fed until 4 pm today - the parents made her fly alot - before all the chaos happened - and Bev said her flying is very good.  She has now flown to the highest building and she's looking strong! 

She and Mr Bev are headed home to get some well deserved rest and will be back on site at the crack of dawn.  There are watchers staying down there.  She asks if we do see an adult on the nestbox just to see if we can write down a band number but she thinks it's okay now...as the parents on their usual perches.

The falcons always seem to do the unexpected don't they!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 30, 2009, 21:19
Thanks for the update! Hope the evening stays quiet.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 30, 2009, 21:36
Thank you for the update, Carly! I've been watching too, but haven't seen anything on the cams. Can't wait to see the photos of the intruding pair. I'm so glad the juvies are doing well, and especially that Froona is flying so strongly.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 30, 2009, 21:42
URGENT:  BEV NEEDS OUR HELP...ANOTHER FALCON PAIR MAY BE ATTEMPTING A TERRITORIAL TAKEOVE..PLEASE WATCH THE CAM IF YOU CAN...

SHE JUST CALLED ME AND ASKED FOR OUR HELP...I HAVE HER PHONE NUMBER IF WE SEE ANYTHING

THANK YOU!

THERE HAS BEEN FIGHTING GOING ON BETWEEN ADULTS ..AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

Oh my goodness, what drama!  :o Thanks for all the updates, everyone! And I'm so glad to hear that Froona is doing well.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 30, 2009, 22:19
What a relief to get Bev's report from Carly!  Thank you, both.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: lorac July 30, 2009, 22:23
We left a bit early this evening too.  I've been fighting a cold for a while and sitting on top of a windy roof wasn't the wisest choice I could have made -- especially the day before we leave on our mini-holiday.

Not much to add to the report from Bev.  When we left, the kids were all sitting nicely where they'd been most of the evening, with an adult joining them on and off, and the other adult sitting on top of the aerial of University Terrace.  We all felt that the one on the aerial was one of "our" adults.  Seemed to be calm and non-threatening (or threatened), but was keeping an eye on the kids on the roof.

Bob and I have yet to see Froona fly, but Bev and Mr. Bev tell us it happens, and that she does it well, so we believe them.  

I guess until Tuesday,  I'll be running over to the General Store in Beaver Mines, Alberta -- twoonie in hand -- for my 15 minutes of internet time to check in.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: sami July 30, 2009, 22:26
There doesn't seem to be any end to the drama at that site. I'm exhausted just reading about it, I can't imagine how the watchers are feeling being right there in the middle of it. Many thanks to everyone for the updates.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 30, 2009, 22:30
Hey Lorac, hope you have a relaxing long weekend and knock down the threatening bug!
Thank you so much for reporting in.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 30, 2009, 22:38
heya guys, thanks so much for the info. If you need another contact, Carly has my number. I'm always ready to posts updates for you. Keep up the good work, you are wonderful. bccs  :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 30, 2009, 22:44
Wow...what a day in the world of a falcon! I guess it's all in a days work for them.  An intruder comes, they defend, two intruder's come, gather the kids and the adults defend.  Natural instinct!  Good to know that the intruders have left the territory!
I'm sure we will read more about it tomorrow! 

Thank you so much to all the observers!!!   
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 31, 2009, 05:18
We left a bit early this evening too.  I've been fighting a cold for a while and sitting on top of a windy roof wasn't the wisest choice I could have made -- especially the day before we leave on our mini-holiday.


I hope you and Bob have a fabulous looong weekend!  By Tuesday, Froona will be soaring and then you will get to see her fly  :D.  She's only on day 2 of flying and given all the interuptions and drama there...she's no doubt waiting until it's calm and then it can be 'all about her'  ;D

Thank you both for all your reports! 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 31, 2009, 06:22
just a quick note.

Hopefully Peter can update you today.
I have been too tired .

The intruders would not be from Weber building as Miss Edmonton has her site now.

We have some cute pictures and they are downloaded form camera and will try to post some tonight or tomorrow.

Froona has been expected to fly like a pro and she is producing. She is doing what it took her brothers a week to learn.  fingers are crossed that the drama is over, but please keep an eye on nest box.

We have never had this type of thing happen at this time of year.

did not want to leave befroe they tucked in last night but needed some rest.
I am off so have a great day. :-* :-* :-*

I have missed reading and being on the rest of the forum.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 31, 2009, 06:26
Thank you Bev for all you've done and continue to do. :-* Get some rest though. Now the Froona is flying well, take some time and sleep, relax, and be calm. Don't want you wearing yourself out.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: BirdLover July 31, 2009, 07:52
Whew, what a relief that the drama has finally settled down.
Thanks to everyone involved for keeping us up to speed.

Bev.  We miss you too!!  I hope you get some much needed rest very soon.  Things should settle down for you now that Froona has her wings.

I honestly don't know what would have happened here if there was that much drama.  We don't have nearly the bodies that you do to keep watch over our wee ones and so far, so good for us.

Hope today is a peaceful one for all you watcher there!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Linder July 31, 2009, 08:12
After all that has gone on, I hope that you can have a peaceful time ahead and that the stressful times are now gone. Keep up the good work and Bev try to take some time out to catch your breath and revitalize, easy to say but hard to do.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 31, 2009, 14:12
Just got a call from Bev; she is down at the site, but has moved over to the Education Building (a block or so away from the original site), where our youngsters are now perched.  All three of them are on different corners, Bev says, while mom is on the Suite Hotel across the street, and dad took off south a few minutes ago, presumably to find some food, or perhaps to inspect all corners of his territory. 

She does not know who the intruder falcons were, but Radisson did get into a fight with the other female; it was not a serious fight, Bev says, more like a "get out of my territory" scuffle, and the talons were out, but no injuries were sustained from what Bev could see.  She heard that these intruders may be a falcon couple that apparently have taken up residence at a cemetery further south of the University, but no one knows for sure.  They are gone now, and are not expected to return, as both dad and mom defended their territory vigorously.

So everything is fine at this point, which is really good, because both Bev and Peter are still pretty tired, and events of the last three days have been nerve-wracking.  Now she expects to have more time to relax and just enjoy our falcon family.  She will be down there today until late this evening, and she says that after today, barring any unusual event, she and Peter will not go down to the site as often, and she will not stay as long.  She will report back to this forum, as she did last year, and she will post pictures. 

She says that she has not taken to drink yet, but if you want to donate to a fund for this purpose, she is willing to go for it.

I will be down there this evening, so either I or Bev or Mr. Bev will report back after.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 31, 2009, 14:22
Thanks Eli for the update. So happy to hear that things have settled down for the birds. And even happier to hear that Bev and Peter are going to take some time for themselves.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 31, 2009, 14:56
BOT Here's to you Bev, cheers!  Many thanks for all your dedication to these falcons and to us here on the forum.  That also goes to Mr. Bev, Carly, Eli, backwards Bob and Lorac and all the other fledge watchers for making this season a successful one.  Everything you've done is greatly appreciated.   :) :)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 31, 2009, 15:17
Good Day.  Mr. Bev here.  Just to update you all on what has been going on.  The last couple of days have been hectic.  We finally got Froona "off the ground".  She is a very strong flyer, however had issues with height for the first couple of days.  She ran into a few buildings but does not seem the worse for wear.  She finally managed the top of Newton place which is one of the higher buildings in the area.  Since then she has been flying well and doing great.  One of the issues that she did have was that on one of her maiden flights, her brother decided that he wanted to play tag, thinking that she could fly as well as he could.  He darn near knocked her out of the sky.  She is now playing tag and flying well with her brothers and the family seems to be taking to the education building at the U OF A.  

The other issue was the intruders.  At first we were really confused until we started to witness the mid air fights.  They were quite amazing and I even caught some on film.  Bev will post when she gets a chance.  It appears to us that through the several fights that occurred, the original male and female prevailed and are at the sight.  It was amazing to see how they seemed to move the chicks to the Ed building out of harms way and kept them together through all this.  
Part 2 to follow:
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 31, 2009, 15:19
In Calgary, not even driving distance (after all those caesars, I shouldn't be driving).   ;D
Well, I was going to say we'd wait for you to get into town but....... :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bev. July 31, 2009, 15:22
Bev called today and says that everything seems back to normal today.  All three chicks are flying well, playing, touching beaks, and playing tag.  One of the chicks, I believe Mr. Red, as a peculiar quirk, in that he likes to knock dad/mom off of his/her perch.  He does this on a consistant basis at certain times of the day.  Dad/Mom, for some reason don't seem to mind but one of these days he will get his if he isn't carefull.  He is quite the rascal.

Will be joining Bev down there this evening and just watch the fun.  The critical stage is over now as they are all flying well.  We can just hope now that they keep from having accidents and enjoy the rest of their stay here before their migration.  We plan on monitoring them on a fairly regular basis --  Not quite as much as we have been though.  I don't think either of could maintain that.  We will keep you posted.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: dodobird July 31, 2009, 15:31
I don't get a chance to post often but I have been reading along with everyone and I get tears in my eyes as you describe your days and the falcon antics - can't express how much we appreciate everyone's hard work - jealousy rears its ugly head though when I can't be there to see what you are seeing. Thanks so much to absolutely everyone involved in the watching and the reporting. It has been an amazing time. May the force be with all of you - peregrine and human.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 31, 2009, 15:32
Wonderful update mr. bev. Now the fun begins. You get to just enjoy the flying, calling, games, training and seeing them become adults. Everyone in Edmonton deserves a huge round of applause and many congratulations.
Bev, Peter, Eli, Lorac and Bob, my most sincere thanks. :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Saoirse July 31, 2009, 15:33
Bev, Peter, Eli, Lorac and Bob, my most sincere thanks. :-*

I'll definitely second that -- you're all amazing!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: carly July 31, 2009, 15:54
Thank you Bev and Mr Bev for the updates.  Let's hope it's clear sailing from here on in!  Now that it's all over, it must have been quite amazing to see!  I'm very happy that our girl Radisson and dad Damon prevailed - and happy no one was fatally injured either. 

Wonderful to hear the kids are flying well and our girl Froona!!  You go girl!   
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: debc52 July 31, 2009, 16:05
I don't get a chance to post often but I have been reading along with everyone and I get tears in my eyes as you describe your days and the falcon antics - can't express how much we appreciate everyone's hard work - jealousy rears its ugly head though when I can't be there to see what you are seeing. Thanks so much to absolutely everyone involved in the watching and the reporting. It has been an amazing time. May the force be with all of you - peregrine and human.

What dodobird said - and in spades!!!

Peter, Mr. Bev, don't you think it is time you joined the forum? You are definitely one of us! ;D :o ;D You must be at least a fledgling by now! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Kinderchick July 31, 2009, 16:20
Thanks for all the updates, Mr. Bev!  ;D And I do agree with deb, time for you to join the Forum yourself! ;D

dodobird, not to worry if you don't get a chance to post very often. You're still one of the gang and we know you're there! ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: msdolittle July 31, 2009, 16:32
thanks so much for the updates.  this has certainly been an exciting site.  the summer has been one big novel with many different chapters.

and i'm really really glad the birds are younger than ours.   it gave us in some birdies to follow after ours left the nest
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 31, 2009, 16:41
What dodobird said - and in spades!!!

Peter, Mr. Bev, don't you think it is time you joined the forum? You are definitely one of us! ;D :o ;D You must be at least a fledgling by now! ;D

You're now assimilated...muhahahhaha   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bob July 31, 2009, 17:59
Good afternooon from the Gene Autry room at the Bluebird Motel in Claresholm, Alberta. Carol and I are glad to hear everything is ok with our falcon family. Thanks Bev and Peter for introducing us to the processes involved in fledgewatch.  We'll be back next week after our mini vacationto watch some more and we will contribute to Bev's booze fund ... guaranteed!

-- 12-string bob (one of my other nics). The guitar hanging on the wall only has 5 strings. I have 6 on mine. So maybe I'm down to 11-string Bob today. Have a great day, y'all!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bcbird July 31, 2009, 18:22
I get tears in my eyes as you describe your days and the falcon antics - can't express how much we appreciate everyone's hard work - jealousy rears its ugly head though when I can't be there to see what you are seeing. Thanks so much to absolutely everyone involved in the watching and the reporting. It has been an amazing time. May the force be with all of you - peregrine and human.

Just had to see that in print again, Dodobird, because you've said it so well!

Last year when I left for holidays it was before fledging and just as Hope came to the nest site.  I think I will find it easier to relax this year knowing the kids are all doing well!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 31, 2009, 18:45
Thank you so very much for the updates Bev and Peter (Mr. Bev  ;)).
Our eyes were glued to the site during all of the drama.  Very happy to hear that Radisson and Damon drove the other pair out and kept the kids safe during all of this.  It's great news that there were no injuries...talk about a lesson given to the kids first hand....er, talon  ::)
Thank you for your dedication and devotion to the falcons. 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Alison July 31, 2009, 20:05
Thank you so much for the great reports, Bev, Mr. Bev and Eli! And thank you for watching over this falcon family as the juvies fledge. It's so good to know how well they are doing (still wondering about what happened to Mr. White, though). I hope there are no more territorial battles at this site - it has had more than enough.
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: eagle63_1999 July 31, 2009, 22:17
I don't post as often now that the Manitobian birds have taken flight but I still read the posts and I must say to Bev, Mr. Bev, Lorac and backwards spelled Bob and Carly, thank you all for your dedication, your love and your work!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: Elaine L July 31, 2009, 22:19
Just got back from the site.  The youngsters are all grown up now, looking sleek and healthy and full of pep.  We watched them practice tag and flying upside down with talons at the ready, and also watched Mr. Red chase mom off her perch again.  This time, she had had enough - she zoomed down on him and grabbed him in her talons, then let go.  He flew off to the other side of the Education Building and stayed there, where we gather he nursed his wounded pride for a while; we saw him fly later, so he was not hurt.  Later, all the youngsters gathered on the Education Building to eat, preen, and just take it easy after some flying practice.  Mom decided that some crows were too close to the kids, and took off after them, so we saw a whole flock of crows zoom across our line of vision with her right behind, then she turned around and went back to the Education Building.  We did not see dad, but it was too early for him to tuck in, so we think he was probably off patrolling his territory.  All in all, it was a very relaxing evening for Bev, Peter and I, just watching the youngsters practice their flying, nothing very stressful, and no heart-stopping moments - thankfully!  
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: bccs July 31, 2009, 22:28
Thanks Eli, the best report ever!!!!!!. Can just tell by the tone that you are all just relaxing and enjoying the moments and are not worried about the kids and fledging.
What a wonderful time for you all, wow oh wow. Big silly, happy, dopey smile on my face for you.
Enjoy and live the moment. :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: allikat July 31, 2009, 22:37
Thanks Eli, the best report ever!!!!!!. Can just tell by the tone that you are all just relaxing and enjoying the moments and are not worried about the kids and fledging.
What a wonderful time for you all, wow oh wow. Big silly, happy, dopey smile on my face for you.
Enjoy and live the moment. :-* :-*
Well written B....and ditto, live and enjoy the moment!
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: JL July 31, 2009, 22:53
Thank you everyone for your updates.  Eventually we knew Radisson was going to set Mr. Red straight.   ;D
: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 01, 2009, 06:34
Nice report to wake up to Eli!  Hopefully things will be just as calm and as much fun for you three so you can enjoy this long weekend  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 01, 2009, 09:18
Great report, Eli. Bob and I were wondering how things were going last night.  It sounded like a lot of fun.  Our "official" shift isn't until Thursday, but I can't imagine that we won't be stopping by on our way back into town on Tuesday.  Just wondering if someone could let us know on Monday / Tuesday where they're hanging out -- it's a big campus when you're looking for five little birds.  Take care, all ... and have fun!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 01, 2009, 09:55
Mr. Bev here again.  At the site at 0700 this morning.  Found all three kids on the Education building.  One was eating the other two were just watching biding their time waiting for their turn.  They eventually got it.  Parents were out hunting. 

Parents back now.  Dad flew up on the Newton building and then on to his perch on the Windsor Park tower.  Beautiful day.  May get a little windy today so the kids will have to practice their "wind surfing".  They are flying strong and having  great time as you heard from "Eli" last night.  We should just be enjoying the show from now on and they do like putting on a show.  Even Froona who is flying amazingly well.  Dave and Becky are here now having a coffee with us.  We can see the birds from here.  It beats sitting on the cement.  Will keep you posted.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: debc52 August 01, 2009, 13:26
Thanks, Mr. Bev! Now comes the fun time - watching them get even better at what they are already good at! ;D (Terrible grammar but hope you know what I mean. ::))
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 01, 2009, 18:17
Dad was inside a vent on the back of the Ed building keeping out of the sun.  Mom came flying in with a pidgeon and dropped it on the building behind the Ed building with a chick following close behind.  Mom flew onto the vent and dad flew off with one of the kids behind him.  Froona was cacking like crazy.  We walked a bit to see if we could see the chicks and when we came back, Red was lying on a window sill, Yellow on the top of the vent, and Froona above on the roof of the Ed building.  Red looked content so he must have eaten.  Froona flew off for her turn on the building.  It is extremely hot here today so when we left but we are assuming they are in the shade on the Ed building and Mom was in the shade across the street watching. 

Now a big storm is brewing so we are going back down there to make sure everything is OK and the kids don't do anything crazy. 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 01, 2009, 18:44
Thanks for the updates again Mr Bev...hopefully the kids find shelter before the storm comes!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 01, 2009, 19:27
8:27 pm ESt and Radisson is on the nestbox ledge  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 01, 2009, 19:53
8:52 and she's still there; reclaimed her home no  doubt.  Though I have noticed she looks inside once in awhile with a pensive look on her face...like awww crap...someone is going to have to clean that out aren't they  :P
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Liz August 01, 2009, 20:04
... also watched Mr. Red chase mom off her perch again.  This time, she had had enough - she zoomed down on him and grabbed him in her talons, then let go.  He flew off to the other side of the Education Building and stayed there, where we gather he nursed his wounded pride for a while; <snip> All in all, it was a very relaxing evening for Bev, Peter and I, just watching the youngsters practice their flying, nothing very stressful, and no heart-stopping moments - thankfully!  

(I only just read this)  That's is amazingly cool, Eli!  Wonderful description. :D  Thanks! 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Liz August 01, 2009, 20:06
One was eating the other two ..
??!!!!! Ack, what?!  ;D ;D LOL
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Liz August 01, 2009, 20:08
8:52 and she's still there; reclaimed her home no  doubt.  Though I have noticed she looks inside once in awhile with a pensive look on her face...like awww crap...someone is going to have to clean that out aren't they  :P
LMAO!!!  Exactly!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 01, 2009, 20:21
Oh, Liz! We have missed ya!  Where ya been????

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 01, 2009, 20:32
Oh, Liz! We have missed ya!  Where ya been????


Ditto!  And to escape the shovel and stay on topic...Radisson stayed for a good hour and she just left.  Probably time to deliver a bed time snack to the kiddies.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 01, 2009, 22:09
One was eating the other two ..
??!!!!! Ack, what?!  ;D ;D LOL
Spelling, punctuation, grammar, forum rules, guys, forum rules.
BOT, how's Froona? Still yacking while she's flying??
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 01, 2009, 22:20
Oh, Liz! We have missed ya!  Where ya been????


BOT.....Sandbox rules.   :D
WOW!  I'm so pleased that you all can now just sit back and enjoy the falcons frolic...so to speak.  This is the time that one shouldn't miss.  You get to experience food drops, playing tag and just basically watch some beautiful flying.  Way to go everyone!  Bev.....you're getting a lot of hugs from all of us.  These falcons wouldn't be up there flying and learning from their parents if you didn't rescue them.  Have fun in the next few weeks and just sit back and enjoy!  This is what it's all about! 
Falcons rule!   8)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 01, 2009, 22:24
Radisson was in the nest box taking cover from the wicked storm.

We, on the  other hand , were soaking wet. what a storm.
One of the kids flew off the Ed building in the high winds and rain so we , like fools, tried to find him.
we did locate him and he was safe .
we found the other 2 also.

FRoona is such a beauty and the boys are so muscular.  
We were only missing dad and hopefully he was under cover and not out hunting.
Lisa met us down there and so we got wet together.

I promise pictures are coming. they will be late but there are some nice ones.

NIght all.
going to bed early, and up tomorrow to check things out again.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 01, 2009, 22:54
Thank you Bev....(((((((((((GREAT BIG HUGS to you and kisses!!!!!!!   :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*)))))))))))))

That falcon family is very lucky to have you watch over them! 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Kinderchick August 01, 2009, 23:16
Eli, Mr. Bev, Bev, Carly, lorac and Bob, excellent updates from all of you! Thanks! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 02, 2009, 07:29
Thanks for the report Bev...sorry you guys got wet... :o

Edit to add:  Ack...just read the news..people died in that storm in some parts of Alberta...didn't realize it was that severe..  Holy...glad you guys and the falcons are all okay..hope Damon was in a safe place too and Miss Edmonton!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 02, 2009, 09:16
Nice work Carly ;D. Sounds like things are going well in Edmonton. Nice to hear the the gang are enjoying, rather than worrying.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 02, 2009, 20:01
A new month already?   And it's August....where does the time go?  Oh I know, it goes to watching the falcons  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Becky M August 03, 2009, 11:36
Yay Ive finally been activated!

Last night around 9pm, just when it started to get really windy and ominous, we were treated to a 3-way game of tag among all the kids. Bev was complaining that the boys were picking on Froona, but in my opinion, she was giving as good as she got! Red still has a habit of knocking others off their perches, but seems to have learnt that mom is not one to be messed with! On my way into lab this morning, I saw a juvenile on one of the arts buildings, but did not see anyone else (hey, my binoculars were in my bag!). Once I finish the work I have to do today, Ill go back outside to see what our feathered friends are up to, hopefully in time for lunch shenanigans! Yesterday morning, we saw one of the youths chasing a group of 4 pigeons, he was doing well, but didnt seem to know what he was supposed to do to "get" one - I imagine they will figure that out this week, and then the pigeons will have a lot more to watch out for. After watching him give chase for awhile, Froona flew off and distracted him with a brief game of tag, and they settled on the Education building, which is certainly becoming a favourite spot for them!

Glad to finally be able to check in, and will keep posting now that Im able :)

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Pchemist August 03, 2009, 11:43
Thanks for the update!  Sounds like a great show.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 03, 2009, 11:44
Thanks for this Becky.  Much appreciated when we can get even a snippet!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 03, 2009, 11:51
Thanks Becky and welcome to our crazy world!!!  So good to hear what's going on with the kids!  :-* :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Kinderchick August 03, 2009, 14:16
Yes, Becky, thanks for the fabulous update, now that you have been "activated"! ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 03, 2009, 19:38
Now that Becky is "hooked" I'm sure she will keep you up to date when Bev or I can't.  We haven't posted for the last couple of days as we are baby sitting our grandson.    He came down to the sight with us last night and seemed to enjoy watching the birds, chasing the rabbits and the squirrels and eating dinner.  This morning when we took him down there he was able to find them with no problem and did not hesitate to point them out.  We were treated again to a 3 way game of tag and yes, Bev "still" thinks that the boys are picking on Froona.  But as Becky said, she gives as good as she gets, but I think that Froona holds a special place in Bev's heart.  We always feel good when we see all five of the birds at once, to make sure that everyone is OK.  I observed dad stooping pigeons.  What a show he puts on.  Last night the kids flew with the pigeons instead of stooping them.  They will soon learn that they are dinner and not flying friends.  We know that soon they will soon start moving out, but usually will come back in a night.  We will try and make sure that they are "tucked in" for the night.

Even after watching them last year, we are learning so much more this year.  It continues to amaze us how the parents watch over their chicks, how they train them and how they play with them.  They are awesome birds. 

Bev will write an update tomorrow on how the fledge watch went. Off to the site to watch yet another show.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 03, 2009, 19:43
Thanks so much Mr. Bev.  Appreciate the update.  Glad to hear that we have another recruit.  How old is he?
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 03, 2009, 20:00
Great update Mr Bev...glad you guys are initiating another generation of the 'Bev' Family into the falcon watching tradition..you can never start em too young!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 04, 2009, 09:45
good morning everyone

I am slow getting started today and am just heading out.

We were down at the site last night and Becky and Dave showed up as did Barb and a friend.

This to me is the success.The number of people that are watch ing our beloved falcons.
For the last few years it  has just been  Peter and I :-* :-*
I will write a report of the fledge watch later today and I am going through all the pictures :) :)

It was wonderful last night. We had a great display put on by the the 3 kids.  Frona is getting to be such a strong flier. Of course , I love watching them but my heart skips a few beats every once in awhile when they swoop down or come close to a building. I worry just a bit too much but I am getting better. ;) ;)
Frona tucked her wings in and veered down. what a sight. We saw her do not too bad a landing in the breeze.
Mom was up on a crane watching them nearby.

Mom was stooping pigeons by Newton Place and Mr. Red thought he would help but caused her to miss a meal . she was not happy. I thought mom was clearing the building for the kids to catch the pigeons but Peter said nope. Mr. Red got in the way. I am sure he thought he was helping or was just making sure he got first dibs.
what personalities they have.
when they were playing tag in the air , you could clearly hear Frona.
when we left at dusk, dad was tucked in and 2 kids were on Newton place and one was on Windsor aprtments and then flew off. We are assuming he went toward Newton place also.
had checked earlier to see if mom tucked in and she was not there but she was probably tucked in as we were leaving.

I hope you will forgive my tardiness with the pictures. I did not realize how tired I really was. We also had company and we were babysitting this weekend also
Draeton just turned 9 and he can sure pick them out.
Even my daughter now understands why I do this . So success all around.
Well I best get down there.

I want to give till this weekend with morning and evening shifts and then  we will watch at our leisure.
have a great day

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 04, 2009, 09:54
Morning Bev!!  Thank you for the update.  Happy to hear the trio are all doing so well!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 04, 2009, 09:57
Great report bev. Thanks   :-*   Love to hear that Froona is getting stronger.  And those boys sound like they are quite a tax on poor ol' mum.

You have nothing to apologize for!!  :o  You have done such a terrific job of keeping an eye on the kids and we really appreciate the effort and time that you have dedicated to this.   We can be patient about pics.  From the descriptions that we have been getting from the ground crew, we can picture what has transpired there.  And, it sounds like you truly have had your hands full this year.  I'm just glad that my first watch has been uneventful but thrilling nonetheless.

Hope you have a great day.

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 04, 2009, 10:14
Great big cheer and thank you to the Edmonton gang. Your reports are wonderful; I feel like I'm there with you watching. :-* :-* to everyone.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: eagle63_1999 August 04, 2009, 11:05
Excellant reporting Bev, and nothing to apologize for, we all know your first priority is the falcons which is should be.  Good to know that the younger generation, your grandchildren I am assuming are getting to know the importance of the falcons too!
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: allikat August 04, 2009, 11:25
Thank you for that report Bev...All reports are great visuals for us who aren't there with you.  Big Hugs to you all!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Kinderchick August 04, 2009, 11:39
Thanks again, Bev and Mr. Bev. for your Edmonton updates! :D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Becky M August 04, 2009, 12:40
So, I am a graduate student at the U of A, and can get a pretty good view of the Education building and Newton Place from my floor to try and find our friends during the day. Today however, the 3 decided to come and find me by doing an elaborate 3-way arial show just west of the Education building in direct sight from my lab desk! Needless to say, i stopped doing any work for about 5 minutes to watch circling, diving, talon-touching, and quick speed changes from our 3 chicks. They are becoming such good fliers, and while I cant tell the boys apart, Froona is quite obvious with her size advantage. Didnt see anyone picking on her today, she was certainly "on top" for much of the show! When I go have lunch, Im going to have to go try and find them :)
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: bccs August 04, 2009, 12:45
Great update Becky, Thanks.
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: Elaine L August 04, 2009, 12:57
BeckyM, I am envious of your view of the falcon kids!  What a treat to watch them from your office window.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 04, 2009, 12:59
She has officially been assimilated!  Excellent. 
Thanks Becky!
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: BirdLover August 04, 2009, 13:16
Terrific report Becky M.  It is a wonderful thing to see those beauties doing their aerobatics.  Lucky you that you don't even have to go looking for them and they come to you.   :o

Pssst. hope the prof doesn't catch ya slackin' off, Um, I mean, watching the kids  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 04, 2009, 13:18
Oh that must have been great Becky!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 04, 2009, 16:45
Just a quick report  before I go out.
I as down at the site today and spotted all 5. 
the kids were putting on quite a display and then there were 6.
the juvenile from last week, I think, entered the air space again.
I must say the adults gathered their crew again. Frona was put on the Ed building and the 2 boys ,on Newton place. Then mom and dad proceeded to chase the juvenile out of the area to the north west.
Not sure who this is and you could hear it cacking. so is it a juvenile from downtown wandering in or what???

At least it was not 2 adults again.

It just amazes me how the  parents gather the kids out of harms way. You have to see it to believe it.

when I left the 2 boys were on college plaza eating and Frona was on Newton place. she did fly over there but not enough room for her there so she went back to newton place .  I took some picutres so in the next few days they will be posted , day by day ;) ;)

Real kife is calling me so I must get going.
BEcky and her DAve are a real treat to have on board.
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: bccs August 04, 2009, 16:49
Fantastic news Bev, thanks for the update.
There sure is something to be said for the more, the merrier.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 04, 2009, 16:57
I can't help but wonder if it's not Mr White come home.... :-\  Any way to get his bands?  If they'd let the kids get near him/her..then we'd know cause they'd remember...
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 04, 2009, 17:50
It does make one wonder doesn't it...is it wishful thinking that it could be Mr. White?  Perhaps, but not out of the question. 
TPC has written that sometimes juvies just leave and then all of a sudden show up with a mate and chicks, well I think that's what she wrote....she will correct me.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 04, 2009, 17:57
Well the fact tht he showed up about 8 or 9 days afterwards is what is making me wonder...I mean I don't know how he would have survived as he didn't know how to hunt but TPC did say it does happen.  May just be from the downtown site but as he's come back again to chase the parents..it makes me wonder... 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 04, 2009, 18:27
Well the fact tht he showed up about 8 or 9 days afterwards is what is making me wonder...I mean I don't know how he would have survived as he didn't know how to hunt but TPC did say it does happen.  May just be from the downtown site but as he's come back again to chase the parents..it makes me wonder... 
Me too.....it would be nice, as you commented, if band numbers could be read.  Except, not sure how that would happen unless this "intruder" landed on the nestbox.  And I'm pretty sure that won't be allowed....but it certainly does make me wonder as well as this is the second time a juvie has flown into the area.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 04, 2009, 19:38
We're back.  Four days away from the internet is good for the soul, but we did wonder how our feathered friends are doing.  It's been good reading the updates (Becky, so glad to see you posting!).  We drove around the University but couldn't see anyone -- feathered or two-footed, and were wondering were watcheres are hanging out these days, since the feathered folks are all flying so well.  We're scheduled to go on Thursday evening, so Bev ... if you see this, please tell us where to go. (Nicely) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Linder August 04, 2009, 22:23
Of course reading about a juvie being in the area again, brings me back to my original question on Jul 30 @ 17.51pm.
Okay I'll ask the stupid question. If it was a juvie intruder, any chance it could of been Mr. White who has been missing?
There was no response from the Edmonton site on this. Could it be a possibilty or an impossibility?
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 05, 2009, 04:52
It is possible Linderlou especially as they never found Mr White injured or his little body.   Not sure what shape he'd be in but you can never say never I suppose.  And no it's not a stupid question at all, not in the least.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 05, 2009, 07:32
Gord is away uh til aug17.

I will e-mail another biologist friend of mine your questions about Mr. white.,but  I really doubt it. It would be nice to think he made it but.........

the Edmonton site will not know the answers. They are depending on me for an update for the web cam, which will come in a few days.
Carol, when we are there we walk around the area, from the Ed building to College plaza.
I am off to meet a few now.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 05, 2009, 11:46
a slideshow from June21.
This brought tears to my eyes as it has Mr. white in it. He was so gorgeous.
this is the day all heck broke loose.
Mr. Red was accidentally knocked from perch and we had to retrieve him from parkade.
He had to be put on adjacent roof becasue security could not find right key. this was the start of many things to come which should not have happened.
Mr. yellow flew over there and then Mr. white.


(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/th_UOFA_46-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/?action=view&current=b051bcfe.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 05, 2009, 11:54
A wonderful slide show Bev...thank you for that.   :)
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: The Peregrine Chick August 05, 2009, 12:24
Well the fact tht he showed up about 8 or 9 days afterwards is what is making me wonder...I mean I don't know how he would have survived as he didn't know how to hunt but TPC did say it does happen.  May just be from the downtown site but as he's come back again to chase the parents..it makes me wonder... 

Pretty sure TPC mentionned also  ;)  that just because we can't see/find them, doesn't mean their parents can't / haven't / don't.  If Mr White reappears sometime in the next ten years, Radisson and Damon knew where he was all the time he was "gone" ... and no, he wouldn't be able to hunt well enough to support himself immediately after fledging.

As for being away, peregrines are very tolerant of juveniles in their territories - think about Hope and Cassie last year.  They were accepted by the adults simply because a human introduced Hope, the adults are hard-wired to respond to the behaviour/vocalizations of a chick/fledgling - its why projects like ours has been able to foster captive-bred chicks in wild nests (and with other species of raptors in captive breeding programs) over the years.

Mr White will turn up or not, don't obsess about it folks, its one of the givens in this kind of project.  Hope for the best, enjoy the mystery and the potential for a great surprise tomorrow, next week, next year or ....  We didn't find Radisson between day three after fledging and when she turned up in Edmonton last year - our not knowing where she went didn't hurt her any!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 05, 2009, 12:36
Soo...if they are chasing this one out so aggressively to the point of rounding up the kids to a safe place ..then what does that mean?  They obviously see him/her as a threat or maybe it's not a PF?  Or they just naturally protect them even from other juvies, like a natural instinct - round up kids, protect, ask questions later?  I've never had a juvie that doesn't belong here to come into our area...well not that I've ever witnessed personally so that's why I ask.

And oh didn't know that about Radisson!!  Maybe Mr White takes after his Mama  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: The Peregrine Chick August 05, 2009, 12:46
Maybe yes, maybe no.  Could be they are reacting first and assessing the threat later.  If it is a juvenile that won't go away - and a hungry, unable-to-hunt juvenile probably wouldn't go away if there were adults and similarly aged juveniles getting fed - the adults would probably start to respond to begging vocalizations.  If all the intruder is a juvenile and not exhibiting attention-seeking behaviour, no reason for the adults to not consider him/her a threat to their young.  And keep in mind that the Edmonton birds are a late nest - they are weeks behind other nests so it could be an able-to-hunt juvenile already on the move away from his/her natal area.

Again, enjoy the mystery folks, this is what makes watching the peregrines so much fun ... that and there is absolutely no way to know all that is going on in "your" peregrines' lives or minds ...
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 05, 2009, 12:53
I forgot I had these shots form day one of f ledge watch.
this was the day that Mr. white accidentally found himself out on white contraption , and then fell in . He remained there all the nest day until Mr. Yellow also fell in and then Mr. Yellow flew out and eventually Mr. white barely made it out.
And Tracy is right.
I am just enjoying what I see. I think it is a juvenile from another site and the parents do not want it around right now.

If it had been just after the first guys fledged they probably would have fed it.

But I think after the attack by 2 adults last week they are erring on the side of caution.

these guys constantly amaze me.

slideshow  from  the first day  june 20.

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I have to do some work now but I will get others started today.

I am e-mailing you Tracy
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 05, 2009, 13:04
I was down at the site this morning and saw all 5 falcons.

Dad was on the north west corner of  Newton apartments.
One kid was on suite hotel antennae and Froona was on a lower part of Ed building  extension eating with mom on the aerial above her. One of the kids was on the back of the Ed building.
then mom flew off with the food and Froona followed.
Mom went into vent behind  Ed building with prey and left it there and then sat on the side. Froona landed on the back of Ed building also(of course she was vocal)
when we post some of other shots you  will see the different parts of this building and the vent.
this is how I left them.
Froona is a strong flier and is very good at playi8ng tag with her brothers. She squeals a lot.
Mr. red continues to be a stinker.
Mr. Yellow is the grown up of the 3.  Mr White was on par with him so they might have been together.
but will not dwell on it.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 05, 2009, 13:06
Thanks Bev, nice to know that they're still the same. ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 05, 2009, 13:16
Just an answer to a few questions.
The juvenile  yesterday was definitely a Peregrine  falocn. It was right overhead. And I believe it was a female as it was about the size of Froona. The kids were actually playing tag  at the time and then I saw 4 and it was the same size as Froona. and then the adults. At first I thought the parents were joining in . silly me. It took a few  seconds to sink in.
That is why I was confused last Thursday and yesterday.
It also cacked like our juveniles so I believe it was just from another site. It was an awesome flier as I watched its moves with the adults until it cleared out of the territory.
It was not the same type of chase as with  the adult intruders. Radisson  actually had some feathers ruffled in  that one. Lots of talon touching and clipping and chupping. Very nerve wracking on the ground.


Our adults did accept a juvenile last year(HOpe) but it was at the same time Cassie fledged and it had already  fledged and come to the ground.
they  were still around the clinical science building.
Peter an d I learned so much last year but nothing compared to what we are learning this year.
Off to dig out my nest box now. I am running a close second to Radisson ;D ;D ;D

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: carly August 05, 2009, 13:27
Thanks for the detail on that Bev, glad to hear that they didn't hurt her at all.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Becky M August 05, 2009, 13:58
I was down at the site this morning and saw all 5 falcons.

Dad was on the north west corner of  Newton apartments.
One kid was on suite hotel antennae and Froona was on a lower part of Ed building  extension eating with mom on the aerial above her. One of the kids was on the back of the Ed building.
then mom flew off with the food and Froona followed.
Mom went into vent behind  Ed building with prey and left it there and then sat on the side. Froona landed on the back of Ed building also(of course she was vocal)

Glad to see this post, as when I went for lunch, all I could see was an adult (dad) on NW corner of newton place! Ill see what I can find when I go home at the end of the day, and have a feeling Ill be coming back tonight after dinner to see if I can see anyone flying around etc. :)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 05, 2009, 15:50
Great slide shows Bev!!  Finally I'm home and I can view them and thanks for the update on their progress today!  I like to think looking at those photos of Mr White that he is out there somewhere, he looked awfully good and healthy in the pictures so I"m going to hold out hope!  maybe he ran into Cassie or Miss Edmonton and they decided Radisson had her hands full so they've adopted him and are looking after him ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bob August 05, 2009, 20:18
Great pictures, Bev and Peter. See you both tomorrow.

Bob
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 06, 2009, 00:11
We were at the site tonight and had the pleasure of Becky and DAves company.

Dad was sitting in the vent behind the Ed building . One kid was on the medical science building , one was on the aerial of the Ed building and one was sitting on the top of the Ed building. Dad then flew to the aerial on the extension of the Ed building. YOu can tell dad because his front is so white.
 Did not know where mom was at this time.
One of the kids came in and knocked the other of the aerial. They changed positions a few times. silly kids. :) :)

BEcky may remember this better than me.
I am not as tense now. I think it is called rest ;D ;D

A bit of a show was put on and we always enjoy this. They go right upside down and the crossovers are amazing.
Froona is such a yeller.  :-* :-*

WE had a coffee and then as we were leaving Peter andI went to see the kids tuck in.

One was on the heart building just below the Helicopter Pad ::) ::) I think this is Froona.

The other 2 were on the Newton apartments and then they flew off and we found them together on a ledge on  College Plaza on northside.
Mom and dad were tucked in in their usual spots.

We did see one of the boys try and stoop a pigeon. He is getting better. Needs to dive into it more.
Then I believe it was Froona that tried to get one behind the hospital.
It will come. They are such a delight and fun to watch.

Always nice to have them all accounted for. That is why I like to go later in the evening.
It is getting darker sooner . This means that summer is fading.
it was getting damn cool out there  tonihgt.
Lots of adventures for the kids to come.
Night all

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 06, 2009, 00:21
Thank you for that report Bev...Yes, it is nice to be down watching in the evening to make sure the kids are all tucked in for the night.
Sounds like the kids are coming along very well and they are getting stronger by the minute. 
Now you get to watch aerial acrobatics being performed by the kids...as Mom and Dad watch with pride.
Enjoy Bev...and again, Thank you!
: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: bev. August 06, 2009, 12:24
I wanted to write a statement about our  falcon watch this year.

I know 5 retrievals make it sound like our kids were not good fliers. Not the case.  We had some unwanted interference by maintenance workers . They were on the roof of where Mr. Red had been put. This spooked the chicks into flying before ready.  (the  cause of 2 retrievals.)
This is something that will have to be addressed and I am hoping to work with everyone to make sure this does not happen again.
I think things got a bit slack around the site  and now there is such a change over with the new hospital ,that reminders need to be put in place.

Also that white contraption needs to be addressed. It caused a lot of problems for the guys and Froona. (the cause of at least one retrieval) and it delayed the  first flights of Mr. White, Mr. Yellow, and Froona.They could not flap in there without hitting their wings and  they did  not seem to be able to figure out how to get out.

It was indirectly the cause of Mr. Red being knocked from his perch(first retrieval).
Also the new hospital is so close that the kids have trouble getting up the momentum and hit the building . Unfortunately that is here to stay but I think if we can address some of the other issues it will go smoother for the kids.

As usual , a few  people ask . Why not change the nest site??? The falcons chose this site. Except for the new  building it is basically a good site after they get their wings under them.

I am so pleased by the response to the  falcon  watch. We had so much interest and I believe a great public awareness has developed. So many in the area never knew they were there. We even had patients in the hospital going to the viewing windows and watching them while they were at the nest site.
We had hospital staff coming and eating lunch with us. I get e-mails at home asking how they are doing.  We have security asking how the guys are doing. But I am hoping to get more information out there for next year. We will miss the construction workers who helped in a few retrievals.
And when Peter and I go walking now there is usually some other people looking  for the kids also.

I put this together at the last minute so it was draining on me but next year it will be more organized and there will be more key people so I  can take a break.  You are lucky in Winnipeg to have watchers in the downtown and from the office buildings. And Tracy is right there if something goes wrong.

That is why I stayed all the time,so we would have consistency, as this had not been done before here. We all see the need for the watch  with the changing environment on campus.

We were lucky to have people like Eli , and Barb, who knew how to do retrievals. Peter was also shown by Gord.
We have people like Lisa who is a real organizer and Becky , who knows a lot about contacts on campus. Rosemarie,  and Barb and  Judith who stayed there longer than their shifts or   just showed up,  when they  knew I was going to be alone. I could go on and on. So many wonderful people people. Some posted here  for me when I phoned them.  and then others joined the Manitoba site and posted of their own accord.(Bob and Carol, Becky,Eli)) this is so great. If I have not mentioned your name it is not because you were not valuable. My mind is fuzzy these days.

And my wonderful Peter,(Mr. Bev.,) who supported my passion for these raptors. Even  my daughter and family , who came to their mothers rescue, to tidy up the nest site at home, and do my yard work.(And make sure  their dad and I were eating properly)

I guess I am too long winded so I have to post in another post the rest of this ;D ;D

: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: bev. August 06, 2009, 12:24
Unfortunately we may never know what happened to Mr. white. It is a puzzle because he had not really taken a flight yet. He just had a short leap to the adjacent building and we retrieved him  from the ground  on June 23.  He seemed very well , and in good shape. On Wednesday he lay low until noon and then appeared again after 4. It is not as if he had been flying for 2 days and then disappeared. He had not left the ledge yet. but I believe a greater force was in play and our other 3 are doing well.

The enthusiasm shown by the people who took part in the fledge watch was just so gratifying. Most came out more than what they signed up for.  And most are willing to take part in a bigger way next year.
I must say I did not enjoy the press. That is not who I am. They started to annoy me. I do have someone who is willing to deal with them next year. I do not need the credit for this, as my goal was solely to make sure the Falcons had a good chance to make it to migration. If this watch gives us even one more falcon to make it through the  first year, then it was a success.
So thank-you all for support , and we will continue to watch the family until they make it to migration.

And thank-you to all here at this forum , and BCATW   for supporting your own sites . It is just so neat to see how excited everyone is abut seeing the kids go through the paces.
I have to believe there is hope for our nature  world when we have so much compassion at these sites

Happy watching and I will post when i can .
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: BirdLover August 06, 2009, 12:35
Kudo's to you bev.  You have done a fantastic job!  I know I really appreciate the effort you have put into this years watch.  A big hug from me ((((hug))))!

I too believe that more people are aware of what we are striving for and the more people, the better.

Happy falcon watching!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: Elaine L August 06, 2009, 12:44
Bev, it was a pleasure meeting you and Peter and getting to know you.  It was also great to meet everyone else who showed up for the falcon watch, Becky, Dave, Barb, Judith, Lisa, and of course the ones I never met because our schedules were different.  I will be there next year, and so will the others, I am sure.  Whatever we can do to help our bird and animal friends who share this planet with us - I cannot think of a better calling.  And whenever you need help with a falcon watch, I'll be there.  

Although we are all devoted to our falcons, no one can match your love and care - bravo, Bev!
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: sami August 06, 2009, 14:11
Bev, you've gone way above and beyond the call of duty - and it wasn't really duty, all of it of your own choosing. You've made a big difference in those falcons' lives. They may not know or appreciate it, but the phanatics certainly do!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 06, 2009, 17:03
thanks everyone .
Here a few poor shots of Sunday july26.
Yellow band made it all the way to dads building and then came back to heart building for the rest of the night.
Red flew for the first time on this day since he was rescued on the Friday night. Both boys went back to nest ledge for the night.
We thought we would have to rescue Yellow band on Saturday night as he was so low to the ground but Sunday morning he had a high strong flight to dads building.
This building is adjacent to the  nest ledge . They spent a lot of time here until Froona fledged. I was amazed that they kept her company and waited for her. They did do some flying but stayed in the area. Maybe it was mom and dads doing but it was nice to see anyway. Red kept spending a lot of time by Froona.

we will be going down after supper

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/th_UOFA_98-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/?action=view&current=15de3d0a.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 06, 2009, 17:50


I am playing catch up with pictures so I will give a brief description to remind you of the events
On Tuesday July28 at 9:05pm Peter saw Froona take her first flight to top of clinical science and then high and over to top of heart building, across from Newton apartments.(by helicopter pad)
On Wednesday July29 I watched her and then about noon she was scared off and nearly crashed but eventually made it to this balcony.  She is so strong. These things cannot happen next year. She would have not missed a day of flight if she was not purposely scared off.

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/th_UOFA_200-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/?action=view&current=0084237a.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 06, 2009, 17:52
Awww...that's such a cute shot of her looking up like that...so glad she is flying well now...such a beauty  :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 06, 2009, 18:15
Thank you so much Bev...we love everything you post and everything you've done!   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 06, 2009, 18:41
I forgot to say those were slide shows. Just click on the pictures
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 07, 2009, 08:03
I was going to post something after Bob and I got home last night, but quite honestly, after spending the evening running all over campus, this old woman was tired.  We met up with Bev and Peter behind the Education Building where we had been watching Froona and one of the boys.  After a while, they flew off and didn't return for quite a while.  Bev went travelling down to the more southern part of the main campus to see what / who she could see and was concerned that she could only see two juveniles.  Bob, Peter and I were on the parkade roof next to the Ed Bldg. ... watching pigeons for a long time. We'd pretty much given up and came back down to ground when all of a sudden the three kids flew into view. They treated us to a show before heading off to the Newton Building.  They did a little moving around and as we headed off for the night, all the kids were present and accounted for and at least one adult near by.

Bob and I were thrilled. It was the first time we'd seen all three kids fly.  It seems like only yesterday they were nothing more than four piles of puffballs in the nest box. 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 07, 2009, 08:06
Oh, lorac and backwards bob, that must have been so exciting for you!  I get goosebumps just thinking one of them flying, but all three at the same time is beyond that.  I got to see two of our four flying last night, so I know how you feel  ;D

Thanks for the update.   :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: The Peregrine Chick August 07, 2009, 10:58
Just a suggestion to the Edmonton Fledgewatch, don't burn yourselves out at this point - your kids have been flying for close to two weeks (even Froona) and they are past the awkward "what-do-these-things-do" stage.  And they are starting to fly off campus so it is just as likely that if something does happen to them, it will happen off-campus as easily as on-campus.  Not to dampen your outings or your enthusiasm, but if you are blanketing the campus to keep the chicks safe, you may be burning all your fuel reserves unnecessarily. 

Visit often or occasionally, enjoy the show, keep a watch on them and pat yourselves on the back that you have helped them through the most dangerous part of fledging!  But also start to come to grips with the reality that they are pretty much on their own now, unless they are are spotted by someone (not as guaranteed as one might think) chances are if they run into problems, you won't find them, they won't need your help (they die on impact or whatever) or you won't know about them in time.  It's the "wild" part of wild-nesting peregrine falcons and that means tough love for us humans!  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: The Peregrine Chick August 07, 2009, 11:00
(Yes, I know I can be a killjoy at times ... is a gift  :))
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Saoirse August 07, 2009, 11:06
Not so much a killjoy as a blast of reality! It's hard to watch these birds hatch and grow, fledge and soar and not feel protective, even possessive. TPC, you've made similar comments on a number of occasions -- and I'm making the assumption that you've come to this knowledge through sometimes painful experience. Speaking for myself only, I appreciate the reminder that, despite all our caring and interest, these ARE wild birds. Nature may be, IS, beautiful and awe-inspiring, but Mother Nature has a harsh and cruel aspect as well.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: eagle63_1999 August 07, 2009, 11:39
TPC you speak with the reality of what this world is like when it comes to Nature. Some humans, not saying about anyone here-just saying, have their emotions so involved that when reality hits it hurts them.  It is great that there are so many people becoming involved in the Peregrine watch, it does help this fascinating bird, the Prince of  Birds.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: jadoo August 07, 2009, 11:51
TPC you speak with the reality of what this world is like when it comes to Nature.

...i'm not sure i'd call it reality, more like a wry admission...after all, "Nature" really is just nature, it isn't cruel, it just is.  we humans tend to personify everything, and anthropomorphize all animals - not a criticism, just an aknowledgement.  i do it all the time.  (even my husband, who is a very no-nonsense type, constantly refers to me as the personification of evil...)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 07, 2009, 12:10
 I am sensing some of you think I am becoming too involved. Not so. I do know the realities. I am not over the edge, believe me.

When I only spotted 2 kids at first, I was concerned, but prepared at the same time. and sometimes they are in places you cannot see them.

Our Fledge watch is not officially over until Sunday and so we have been monitoring still in  the  evening.

Froona has only been flying  for 6 days, yesterday, and so we wanted to keep monitoring her until Sunday.
Our kids had a lot of human interference this year , which delayed their second flights. so we felt they should still be monitored. You had to be here to know what we were dealing with. that is what was taxing.
but hopefully we can make sure sure this does happen again.
also  because of the intruders  we are just making sure we have 2 adults.

I do know the reality of it all as I have been doing this for a few years now. This year was the most intense as we  just started the official fledge watch. It is needed here. Next year I will not have to tax myself as much as there will be other key people.

I  am well rested now and getting my own life in order. but as last year ,Peter and will go down in the evening  a few times a week until they migrate.
we do enjoy watching them fly and play tag and grow into their wings. this to me is the fun part. what it is all about. And I enjoy watching mom and dad take the time to soar.

In Winnipeg , those in the downtown area can see from work or you are not far . We here have to drive to see our guys.

Having said all this, I am aware , that something can happen when they are out of the area and that is nature. That is why we like to see them tuck in at night. a head count , so to speak.

I am prepared for this . That is the only way I can do this. That is why I accepted Mr. Whites disappearance more easily than others. I have no illusions about it.

My first year of watching was hard, but with all the nest takeovers here and what  the transmitter  girl has endured, I think I have handled things pretty well.

so I will continue to watch when I can and enjoy the antics of our family. I am learning so much more every year about falcons.
so no worries here. :) :) :-* :-*




: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: jadoo August 07, 2009, 13:04
...excellent attitude, bev - keep it up!  anyway, it's very difficult to not get attached to any creatures - it'd be a pretty scary world out there if we didn't...(pretty scarier, actually...)...
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Becky M August 07, 2009, 13:36
Ive been fairly confident in their flying abilities for several days, but Im still going to keep watching because I love seeing these birds fly, and in just a few weeks, I wont have any more falcons to look at until next year. Ive also really enjoyed the social company, so no "burning out" here. We just like seeing what they do/where they go. Ive had an interest in animal behaviour since I started my PhD.
Around 11:30 I saw a young male on top of Education just feasting away! Someone else was over on Newton place, but Im a little far away from my building to tell anything about who that was. I just finished lunch and our friend on Education was sitting there nicely, and I swear he had a "food-baby"!
Dave and I are going to watch tonight to see if we can see another aerial display from our birds, and maybe even some honest-to-goodness stooping (so far, really just chases that are usually interrupted by one of the other kids!)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 07, 2009, 14:00
I think I have handled things pretty well.


I think you have as well Bev!  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 07, 2009, 17:16
No burning out here either.  When I referred to "running all over campus", the area that I was referring to is three and a half short blocks.  When I referred to Bev going to the south end of the main campus, I was referring to an area of approximately five short blocks.  For me, I suppose I'm old and I like to whine. Quite honestly, I can definitely use that wee bit of exercise and I can't think of a more fun way to do it (well, maybe one  ;)). 

I have enjoyed the fledge watch and felt honoured to be part of it.  Besides the opportunity of watching those puffballs grow into those spectacular birds, Bob and I have had the pleasure of meeting some wonderful people.  We've enjoyed spending hours ... sitting ... watching ... chatting ... laughing ... worrying ... being relieved ... with some very fine people.

Bob and I will drop by some time on the weekend.  We don't have a "shift", but we'll want to say hi to our fellow watchers, if we can see them.  We're no longer just the little group in lawnchairs outside the parkade -- not so easy to find.  And we'll see how our feathered friends are doing.  As summer quickly turns into fall, we'll watch as their flights become more confident, their hunting skills more precise ... and then they'll be gone.

And we'll wait for the spring to watch for little brown eggs to appear in the nest.
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: lorac August 07, 2009, 17:18
Bob and I had a wonderful time!  Can't wait until next summer (even though we have to get through another cold Alberta winter).
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: BirdLover August 07, 2009, 17:29
Bev, you've gone way above and beyond the call of duty - and it wasn't really duty, all of it of your own choosing. You've made a big difference in those falcons' lives. They may not know or appreciate it, but the phanatics certainly do!

Well said, sami!!!  I agree.
: Re: U of Alberta - Fledge Watch Thank Yous
: bob August 07, 2009, 23:18
My thanks goes to you Bev and Peter. For the past couple of years, we've watched the U of A Falconcams and were privileged to read the odd update after the chicks fledged. Waiting for weeks on end for new info on the falcomcam website was exasperating, to say the least. Thanks to your invite, we were able to (a) watch some of the fledge action as it took place, (b) read a flap by flap description of the fledge process as it went on, and (c) learn so much (almost everything we now know, and we still have so much to learn) about peregrine falcons. Our heartfelt thanks to you both for the opportunity to participate. As Aaaaaarnold says, we'll be back.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 08, 2009, 11:34
We were out at the site last night and met up with Becky and Dave.
they had seen all 3 kids  before we got there.
When we arrived we saw one on the back of the medical science building and one was on the Ed building.
we had seen an adult on one of the cranes on our way in.

Becky had watched 2 of the kids eating. One she believes was Froona.

It was a nice quiet evening and so we walked for a bit and then took a coffee break. We can see the Ed building form the window.
Soon we saw all 3 soaring over the Ed building so out we went.  Of course when we get there they  flew off toward the College Plaza.

 It is now close to 9 and we have one  kid on top of the Campus tower an one on the ledge tucked in facing west.
All of a sudden we saw an adult flying with a kid behind ,going from Newton place area to the med science building. and WOW!!!! the youngster on his second attempt grabbed the prey  from moms talons. Yes, our first food exchange  this year, that we witnessed.  So quick and yet so amazing to see. We saw another youngster also but it turned off.
This big prey was solely for this youngster.
So we knew dad had turned in so we had mom and all 3 youngsters in sight before we left.
an awesome evening.


: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: birdcamfan August 08, 2009, 14:06
Geez you guys, you'll all be ready for a marathon this fall with all the running you do. Keep up the great work and thanks again for the updates!

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 08, 2009, 17:11
Awesome that you got to witness that.  I am hoping to see some of that too.


Thanks for the report bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 10, 2009, 15:32
We had a very quiet night at the  site last night. We had one kid in sight on the Med science building and Froona on theEd building.
We went up to the Ed parkade and saw one falcon in the distance and then it flew off and then there were 2 flying around and possibly chashing pigeons.
So we now have 4 in sight.
Then Mr. Red flies over to the Ed building from the  south. (possibly  from the Med science building)
Both he and Froona look out the north west so I think they see what  we see way out.

Mom flies in on an aerial of the Ed building and Mr. Red flies around and knocks her off.  He is cheeky LOL .We did get the bands .
Then mom  flies off and  Mr. red and possibly another(from who knows where) flies off to the south.  Froona stays put for a bit and then she flies off
Peter and I decide to walk a bit and run into Carol and Bob. They had spotted 2 as they were coming to the Ed building. Probably the ones we saw.

After having a cold drink Lisa joined us and we  crossed the street and walked back to the corner. 
{Peter decided to walk around to the  front of the hospital where the cranes are. )
Bob and Carol leftto go home. (sorry Bob and  CArol but we then did spot all 5.)
 Lisa and I met up with Peter and the 3 kids and one adult (mom ) were on the cranes.
We could ID FRoona and mom.

WE walked down by the clinical science building and Mr . Red flew to the ledge of the Campus tower facing west(Peter got his band number). then in  came Mr. Yellow(We know  because Froona and mom are still on cranes). Dad lands on top corner of Campus Tower and then turns in for the night.
Peter and Lisa and I check out whee Dad sleeps and there he is.
so when we left, the boys wereon the ledge and Froona and mom are still on the cranes at 10:00pm, dn Dad is asleep on his ledge.
It was a nice evening , all in all
I think Mr. Yellow is honing his hunting skills with one of the adulst and FRoona and Mr. Red, who are close together in skills, are waiting their turn. Just my thought.

Slideshow.
some pictures are not great but just want to show you where everyone  is. Froona and Mr. Red are very dark and Mr. Yellow is a bit lighter.

click on pic ture

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/th_UOFA_13-1-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev17/?action=view&current=8733eab2.pbw)



: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 10, 2009, 15:36
Thanks Bev, great update. It's funny as all get out when the kids get cheeky and start to push around the parents. Vesper is just like that, she makes me laugh. Poor Trey!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 10, 2009, 15:42
That Froona is one lovely bird.  She reminds me of Luck (my golden girl) in the sun.

Thanks for those bev. and the update.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 10, 2009, 15:51
Thanks for the update and the pictures!  The kids look fantastic  :-* :-* :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Alison August 10, 2009, 21:45
Thank you for the updates and the photos, Bev! It's so good to know that you have been seeing all three juvies and both parents. Froona is a beauty, as they all are.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Becky M August 10, 2009, 22:20
Dave and I went to the campus for about 2.5 hours tonight, leaving at 9 (which Im sure was too early and lots happened after we left, but alas). When we arrived, we could not find anyone around education or on the cranes. So we left the education parkade, at which time one bird promptly flew on top of education ;)
We looked around the corner by the hospital parkade, but could not find anyone on college plaza or Newton Place, so headed back to Education area. Once there, we saw 2 kids hanging out up there, one on the corner, one on an aerial. Another trip up the parkade, and still only the 2 in sight, until a couple minutes later in flies a third falcon, which promptly knocks off our aerial friend, but instead of roosting up there, flew over to knock the corner friend off as well, landing there! At this point, the original aerial friend knocked off the newcomer, while the corner friend flew over to Medical Sciences. Newcomer ended up in the vent, where we quite clearly saw that it was Mr. Yellow! So, it is not only Red who is an instigator :D Med-Sci bird came back, and with all 3 visible, was obvious that was Froona. Lots of squaking from her and yellow during this time, Red was actually fairly quiet. About 3 mins later, Yellow took off from the vent, and then he flew over to Medical Sciences. Red and Froona were sitting nicely for about 20 minutes when we left. Only saw one adult transiently, given the whiteness, I think it was dad, but did not see a food drop and he did not stir up a commotion when he rested on the shorter Ed. building. Im sure we have all said it a thousand times, but wow - they are such beautiful birds...with attitude! I love it :)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 10, 2009, 22:39
Great that you saw all the kids tonight Becky and Dave.
they are such a 3-some. It fills my heart every time I see them.
Peter and I  will be down there tomorrow night.
that Mr. Yellow. and I thought he was the gentleman ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 11, 2009, 07:59
I swear that they hide somewhere, watching, until people leave the Education parkade.  Sounds like you and Dave had fun, Becky.  We haven't been there since Sunday evening and won't be there until tomorrow evening.  (Going to meal assembly tonight since it's become obvious that no one will be dropping off food to us!).  Hope to see you and Dave there sometime ... eyes to the skies.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 12, 2009, 12:06
Peter and I will be going down a bit earlier  than usualwhen we go as the kids seem to be fed before we get there.

but we did see all 3 kids and one adult. Froona was on back of the hospital and then flew to the Ed building and then to Med sciences.
After a bit she flew over Campus tower and then to the southeast corner of the clinical science building.
One of the boys was on the second crane and we did nto see the other till later when he was briefly on the Med science building.
After a bit both boys were on the cranes. Before we left Froona and one of the boys tucked in on a ledge on the Campus tower and another boy tucked in above them.


I have to get my fill now as I will be going away on Tuesday.(My dad has to have an operation)
Peter promises me he will keep track of them for me.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: moka August 13, 2009, 10:07
My appreciation is heartfelt as I thank Bev et al, for your great work in keeping us posted with comments and pictures.  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 14, 2009, 11:17
 We have lots of pictures but have not had time to download them. hopefully this weekend or Peter can do it while I am away.
all 3 kids were there last night. Barb and Dave and Becky and Peter and I met up there.
  The kids  are becoming more independent but still like to try and knock each other off a perch or 2. Hard to ID the bands as they will not show us their legs, but when we see all 3 together it does not matter.

We only saw one tucked in before dark and one on the crane, but not to worry. They were probably enjoying the night air before the rain hit.
We saw 2 eating which probably means the third one ate also. Becky and Dave saw dad and we all saw mom on the steeple at the Dentisty building. she is so beautiful.

I am sure Becky will write a report.

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 21, 2009, 17:10
Oh dear.   :'(

Current News - August 18th, 2009- White-banded male's body found.  Thanks to many hospital staff members, the white-banded male juvenile peregrine that went missing during the fledge watch on July 23rd was identified.  A biologist involved with the project, Gord Court, went to the Clinical Science building today to retrieve the carcass.  The male was believed to be approximately 35 days old when it died.  The bird was found just behind the sound baffle on the roof just a few metres from the nest box.

While visiting, Gord also found a dead juvenile female Northern Goshawk at the base of the Clinical Science building.  Gord predicts that the bird was killed by the adult peregrines when it entered their nesting territory as Northern Goshawks (as well as Great Horned Owls) are perceived deadly threats to the young.

: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 21, 2009, 17:50
Aww..poor little guy  :'(   Thank you for letting us know Lorac.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 21, 2009, 21:02
Thanks for that update...even though we had hoped Mr. White would turn up someday, at least we know.  Fly Free Mr. White!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: debc52 August 21, 2009, 22:44
Oh that is such a shame. My sympathies to you all. Thanks for letting us know Carol.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: lorac August 21, 2009, 23:05
Bob just forwarded the info to me today from the UofA website.  I don't know if Bev is still around right now -- I know that she had to go and visit with her dad, so I hope it won't be upsetting for this information to be posted here first for her.

I hope that the little guy didn't suffer, I guess we'll never know.  But he sure did have a lot of folks ... from all over ... in his corner.

Waiting anxiously until next year ...

(BTW -- I'm going for an interview on Monday.  "IF" I were the lucky candidate, my office would be on the 7th Floor of University Terrace directly facing the nest box on the Clinical Sciences.  I could be paid AND watch the falcons.  So ... could I please ask all the Falcon Folks to keep their fingers crossed for me on Monday at 11:00 Mountain Time?  You are awesome.)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: kittenface August 21, 2009, 23:09
Bob just forwarded the info to me today from the UofA website.  I don't know if Bev is still around right now -- I know that she had to go and visit with her dad, so I hope it won't be upsetting for this information to be posted here first for her.

I hope that the little guy didn't suffer, I guess we'll never know.  But he sure did have a lot of folks ... from all over ... in his corner.

Waiting anxiously until next year ...

(BTW -- I'm going for an interview on Monday.  "IF" I were the lucky candidate, my office would be on the 7th Floor of University Terrace directly facing the nest box on the Clinical Sciences.  I could be paid AND watch the falcons.  So ... could I please ask all the Falcon Folks to keep their fingers crossed for me on Monday at 11:00 Mountain Time?  You are awesome.)
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/emotions/Xfingers.gif)(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/kittenface_album/emotions/Xfingers.gif)Good wishes and luck coming from Central Pa. for you
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: eagle63_1999 August 21, 2009, 23:37
Good luck wishes from London, Ontario to you lorac!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 21, 2009, 23:44
Winnipeg is having positive thoughts for you, everything is crossed. Go get 'em, knock their socks off !!!    :)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bcbird August 22, 2009, 00:45
Good luck, Lorac, from the other side of the Rockies.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Alison August 22, 2009, 00:48
I am so sorry to hear about Mr. White. It is very sad that he was found so close to the nest box. Poor little guy. I wish all four of these beautiful juvies could have survived.  :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 22, 2009, 06:09
Good luck Lorac!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Elaine L August 22, 2009, 10:35
Lorac, did the biologist say anything about how our little falcon died?  I hate to think he was stuck in there and starved to death!  Can Gord Court give us more details?  It is such a sad situation, but at least now we know.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Kinderchick August 23, 2009, 21:10
Oh dear.   :'(

Current News - August 18th, 2009- White-banded male's body found.  Thanks to many hospital staff members, the white-banded male juvenile peregrine that went missing during the fledge watch on July 23rd was identified.  A biologist involved with the project, Gord Court, went to the Clinical Science building today to retrieve the carcass.  The male was believed to be approximately 35 days old when it died.  The bird was found just behind the sound baffle on the roof just a few metres from the nest box.

So sorry to hear this very sad news, lorac! :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: BirdLover August 24, 2009, 17:06
Just getting caught up after being away for the weekend.  I hope all went well for you lorac.  Wouldn't that be the cat's meow if you got a job where you could watch the falcons all day when they are there.  Just set up the spotting scope and you just might get some work done....

Positive thoughts from Brandon!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: Liz August 24, 2009, 20:58
Thanks for that update...even though we had hoped Mr. White would turn up someday, at least we know.  Fly Free Mr. White!
exactly.  So Sorry, bev. 
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 24, 2009, 21:39
Any word or sightings of the others??
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 25, 2009, 18:10
Mr. Bev here again.  Sorry we haven't posted much lately, however, Bev is away on a family emergency and I have been swamped at work.  I see that you have heard about Mr. White.  No news yet as to how he died.  Gord Court told me that he would be examining him and let me know if he found something, however with the remains it may be hard to tell.

I was down at the site last night with my youngest daughter who was up visiting.  Her first experience of seeing falcons.  It turned out to be a great night as we saw all five, mom, dad and three juveniles.  Mr. Red was up to his old tricks of knocking others off their perches.  Since last week, we had only seen two falcons, but got real lucky last night.  Great to see them all healthy and flying.

Bev may be back next week some time.  Depends on her fathers recovery.  Will try and keep you posted.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 25, 2009, 18:14
Thank you for the update Peter and so relieved the family is doing well and that you all got to spend some time with them. 

Give our best to Bev and best wishes for dad's speedy recovery!  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: allikat August 26, 2009, 00:00
All the best to Bev and thank you for the update Mr. Bev (Peter). :)
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: msdolittle August 26, 2009, 09:50
Mr Red sure seems like a character!
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 29, 2009, 20:04
Mr. Bev here again.  Went down to the site today.  Very, Very hot.  Only saw mom hiding in the shade on the back side of the Education building.  Its getting close to that time of year when the young ones are thinking of migrating.  So, I hope to go down a little more often and see them if I can.  If I see them I will post and let you know. 

While I was down at the site, Bev called me and advised that they had to send her father by ambulance to Victoria for another operation.  So it sounds like she may not be back for a while.  If she can get on to a computer where she is on the Island, she may be in touch with you.  If not, I guess I will have to do and I will try and keep you updated on the birds here.  Still no word on what caused Mr. White's demise.  As soon as I find out something I will let you know.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: birdcamfan August 29, 2009, 21:31
Let Bev know that her "falcon family" is thinking of you all in this stressful time. Thanks for keeping us updated on the PF's and on Bev.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: carly August 30, 2009, 06:46
Thanks for keeping us in the loop about the family Peter, we miss them and we miss Bev too! 

Tell her that she and her dad are in our thoughts.  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bccs August 30, 2009, 07:21
Good wishes for Bev, her Dad and you Peter.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bcbird August 30, 2009, 18:43
Thanks Peter, please send along my best wishes to Bev and her Father.
: Re: U of Alberta - August 2009
: bev. August 31, 2009, 22:52
Peter (Mr. Bev)  here.  Went down to the University tonight.  Saw mom eating on top of the Education building.  Did some further walking and found dad sitting on top a crane to the north of the Education building where some new construction is going on.  I was on top of the parkade at that point.  I walked down to the street and low and behold there were two falcons on the Education building.  One was mom the other, I think, was Froona because of her size and coloring.  Could not confirm this as I could not see the color band as her legs were hidden behind her perch.  In any event I saw three of them. 

The biologist emailed me today and reported a confirmed sighting of Mr. Yellow at a place called Cooking Lake which is about 30-40 kms southeast of Edmonton.  Not only did the bird watcher get part of his band but confirmed the bright yellow tape on the other leg.  The young ones are moving around a bit as the biologists said they might.  Good to see that he was spotted though.   So far all seems to be well with the fledglings and the parents.  Will keep you posted as much I can.

Pete  :) :)
: U of Alberta - September 2009
: BirdLover September 01, 2009, 04:20
Thanks so much for this update Peter.  Always nice to get tidbits of where our kids are.  And very much appreciated.

I haven't seen any of our kids since last week.  I am having Falcon Withdrawals! 
: U of Alberta - September 2009
: carly September 01, 2009, 07:59
Thanks for the update Peter, happy to hear the family is doing well and that you got to see our Froona  :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Elaine L September 01, 2009, 09:54
Wow, Mr. Yellow travelled to Cooking Lake!  This would be a good place to hunt, as it does not have a lot of development and is still pretty much the same as it was 20 years ago.  The chicks seem to be moving about more than I expected.  I did see a peregrine falcon yesterday hunting for mice, I believe, just over the Whitemud Freeway in east Edmonton, near the dog off-leash area, of all places.  I would have loved to have found out whether or not this was one of our chicks, but there is no way to really take a good look or stop when you are on the freeway.
 
Thanks for the updates, Peter, and my best wishes to Bev and you during this trying time of family illness.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Pchemist September 01, 2009, 12:32
I was under the impression it was pretty rare for a peregrine to hunt ground animals?
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: The Peregrine Chick September 01, 2009, 13:18
Peregrines will hunt ground critters in places like the arctic where they can be more numerous than birds in some places.  Among the anatum (our subspecies) there are rare reports of mammal prey remains being found (mostly bats).  Note, that if you find remains, then they really haven't eaten it - killed it yes, eaten it no.  As for a peregrine hunting mice, if it was, it wasn't really looking for food, entertainment or practice maybe - mice just aren't worth the effort, its like eating tic-tacs ... imagine how many tic-tacs an olympic triathlete would need to consume at the olympic games and you get the idea of how worthwhile hunting mice is for a peregrine. 

Now kestrels, they are wicked mouse hunters, so too are some of the hawks.  Last spring when we had standing water on most agricultural fields, the hawks - Red-tails, Swainsons, Sharp-shinned & Broad-winged - were stacked up on the telephone poles and on higher dry spots waiting for the mice to be driven out of the field by the rising water - it was worth the effort even of the bigger hawks because of the sheer numbers of mice available.  But they hunt ground mammals as part of their regular diet, so just a case of taking advantage of an opportunity.  Peregrines are bird-hunters and are designed for it, so hunting close to the ground is not always as safe for them as for the mammal-hunting raptors, different hunting mechanics.

So could have been a bored peregrine, but seems unlikely as they are trying to put on weight and are starting to get into migration-mode.  Could have been a kestrel or even a merlin (they are better closer to the ground than peregrines) hunting - same flight profile are often misidentified when spotted from moving vehicles (I've given myself whiplash more than a few times over the years and still can't confirm the ID on the move!!!).  Or it could have been a sharp-shinned, they are about peregrine size or even a coopers which is bigger than a sharpie.

But then, I wasn't there and didn't see what Eli saw ... could it have been hunting smaller birds Eli?  I know fall migration has begun among the passerines here .... blackbirds?  flickers? something like that maybe?
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Elaine L September 01, 2009, 14:22
Yes, Tracy, thanks for all the information, and I am sure you are right; in hindsight, driving down the freeway at 80 and looking up at a bird is not the best way to tell if it is really a peregrine falcon.  I think it could have been a merlin, or judging from the way it was coasting on the breeze, it could also have been a hawk.  I am not at the stage yet where I can readily recognize the difference.  I think I am just happy that we have raptors around this area, considering how much land has been given up to development in the last few years.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: The Peregrine Chick September 01, 2009, 14:26
No prob Eli, I couldn't necessarily identify a peregrine at 80 km/h either!  Good news is that it becomes easier with practice and it sounds like you are getting lots of great opportunities to practice!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Saoirse September 01, 2009, 14:31
Thanks to both Eli and TPC -- it's so great to have this chance to learn more about not only the peregrines but the other raptors as well -- there's a whole new world up there in the sky that has been virtually unknown to me for much too long.  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Kinderchick September 01, 2009, 21:56
Thanks to both Eli and TPC -- it's so great to have this chance to learn more about not only the peregrines but the other raptors as well -- there's a whole new world up there in the sky that has been virtually unknown to me for much too long.  ;D
Yes, thanks for all of the interesting information, TPC. :)
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bcbird September 04, 2009, 22:25
-- there's a whole new world up there in the sky that has been virtually unknown to me for much too long.  ;D

I agree!  Isn't it amazing how much more there is up there now that one knows a bit about what might be seen? 
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bccs September 04, 2009, 22:39
Yup bcbird, and it's profoundly remarkable what is there, we are unknowing till we gaze.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: allikat September 04, 2009, 22:41
it would be so cool to be able to fly like the peregrines can....fast and furious!!!!!  WOO HOO!!!!
"well, you don't know what we can find, why don't you ride with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride".... ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bccs September 05, 2009, 06:24
Allikat, if I didn't know you, I'd say you are of the flower child era.
Your music quotes are fantastic. :-*
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: allikat September 05, 2009, 15:31
Allikat, if I didn't know you, I'd say you are of the flower child era.
Your music quotes are fantastic. :-*
:P
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bev. September 05, 2009, 18:34
Hi: Peter (Mr. Bev) here. Just went down to the Weber building to check on "Weber Girl" aka "Homeless" aka "Transmitter Girl". Saw her sitting on the W proud as punch and to my surprise off to the right of her on a ledge just below was another falcon. Could be she has found a new mate. Wouldn't that be great! I took pictures but don't know how to add them to this post. Haven't had that lesson yet from Bev. Also went down to the University of Alberta but only saw the adult female. Not surprising as it was the middle of the day. I'll go down again in the evening in a day or two and I'm sure I'll see more of them. Its getting that time of year where they are thinking of migrating so would like to see them as much as possible.

Bev won't be back till the end of September as she has to still play nursemaid to Dad and I will be going out there to help her and hopefully drag her away for a short holiday.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: carly September 05, 2009, 18:40
Thanks for the report Peter!  Say hi to Bev for me!
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: BirdLover September 05, 2009, 18:41
Good for you, Mr. bev.  I am sure that she will need a short vacation after being nursemaid that long.

Thanks for the report!  Would be great if you got to see any of the UA kids or parents.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: allikat September 05, 2009, 19:07
Thanks so much for that update Mr. Bev (Peter)....appreciate very much!  It's amazing how quick the time has gone by....I can't believe it.
Hi to Bev for us all!
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bccs September 05, 2009, 19:44
Hugs and  :-* :-* to you and Bev, thanks for all the updates.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bev. September 07, 2009, 21:36
just a quick hi. I miss my falcons and my hubby,

Been quite a stressful time here but I will not go  into it  in  this thread.

I was not surprised to find out about Mr. white. I mentioned several times to the team that I did not think he made it off the nest ledge. I think the heat got to him.  I will post a  picture of where he was found when I get home. He would not have been visible and I was  wonderingif that is w here he was.
I had mentioned once to the biologists that I thought maybe he had not made it off the roof but I do not think  they  would have risked spooking Mr. red or Froona to look for him there. Gord had e- emailed Peter with the news  before it was  posted on the  edmonton web site,so peter informed me.
i am so pleased that the otheres appear to be doing well. Peter has ben a true love to keep an eye on things for me. I do so like to see them leave but will not have the chance this year. Maybe Radisson adn Miss Edmonton will still be around when I get back.

i am also  thrilled that Miss  Edmonton appears to have snagged another mate.

Where Mr. Yellow  was seen is a favorite spot for yong peregrines to gathr befroe migrating. One of th4 biologists told us to check out ath away but I am here ;)

I will be  returning ,hopefully at the end of September if things go well.


 
Peter will continuew to keeop an eyw iobn

 
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bev. September 07, 2009, 21:37
Peter will continue to keep an eye on both sites for me and will psot what he finds ubtil he heads out here.

Have a great day and talk to you when I get back
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bev. September 07, 2009, 22:55
Hi Everyone: Mr. Bev (Peter) here. Went down to the site at U OF A tonight. Saw Dad fly up and land on his perch on the aerial on the Windsor Park Building. Was walking towards the Education building when I saw a falcon sitting on the corner of the building. Took a picture and then the falcon flew over my head and just above me on the building behind me I saw Mom. The falcon who flew over, I'm sure was Froona, by the size and the way she looked. She landed where Mom was but Mom took off and flew down to the College Plaza building. Froona then took off and landed on the back of the Suite Hotel. In any event I saw the three of them. The boys were no where to be seen and are likely gallivanting around the country side. Dad and Mom turned in at their usual spot and Froona flew off somewhere, I could not see where.

I then drove down to the Weber building and it was getting pretty dark. I managed to see a falcon on the "R" on the Weber sign and another one on the NE corner of the Weber building 2 floors down. Both seem to be still there. Hopefully this turns into something next year. Looks promising anyway.

Good to see my wife back on the computer. Am going to have to teach her how to type and spell though.
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: Ellie September 07, 2009, 23:32
All of the best wishes for a speedy recovery for your father Bev and keep yourself well also.  So good to hear from You and Your husband as to the falcons in Edm. I am on my way to Edmonton on Thursday but will not have the time to go and see where the falcon family is.  Am familiar with the U of A so that wouldn't be a problem.  So glad to here that all of your "kids" and parents are still hanging around and hope that they all have a successful migration and we'll hear that they are parenting in a place of their own. ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: bcbird September 07, 2009, 23:55
How nice to hear from both Peter and Bev tonight!
Thanks Peter for taking the time to track down and report on five falcons this evening.
And Bev, thanks for taking the time to post.  Take good care.  
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: BirdLover September 08, 2009, 05:53
Yes, thanks to bev and peter for their posts.  Know you are both busy so any news we get from you is very welcome.  And Peter, thanks for taking the time to check things out and post on our family in Edm.  ((((bev))))  Take good care of yourself also.   :-*  We don't want you to be burned out!

Peter, I'm thinking that bev is soooo tired that the keys are probably swimming before her eyes and the words look perfectly fine to her  ;D  Right bev??
: Re: U of Alberta - September 2009
: The Peregrine Chick September 09, 2009, 02:48
Hey Mr Bev/Peter, if you would like me to post the photos here for you, you can just send them to me via email and I will be happy to set them up for you.  And when your dear wife is home we will get the problem she is having viewing some of our galleries sorted so ya both can enjoy all the photos from this year.  I hope to add some of Radisson and her kids and since they are mostly from Bev, it would be nice if y'all could see them!!

(for find my email address, just click on the little envelope below my name on the left or click on my name and the address will pop up.  I'm not posting it here because the darn little web spiders like to troll for email addresses and I get enough spam already!!)

My best to Bev when you are talking to her next!  And you keep up the great work here! :)
: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 02, 2009, 22:08
I am doing just a quick post to let you know that Radisson is still here.
I am back after 7 weeks away and I feel like I have been cheated this season.
Never the less, I am glad that Radisson and Miss Edmonton are still here.
We lost our camera-to -computer connector somewhere between Vancouver Island and here so I will write up some reports tomorrow and hopefully some pictures.

Damon and Radisson were still together when Peter left on September 14 and he saw Froona and mom just 2 days before that so I guess we can say that our season was successful.

I am always sad at this time of year and drink in as much as I can of these Marvelous   raptors, as we never know if we will see them the following year.

Stay tuned for tomorrow. ;D ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bcbird October 02, 2009, 22:21
Bev, it is great to have you back! 
So you have Radisson and Miss Edmonton still around.
Is this much later than usual for either of them?
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 02, 2009, 22:48
We have certainly missed you Bev.....Mr. Bev was wonderful in your absence.   :)

Hope all is well with you and your family!

It's wonderful to have you back!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 03, 2009, 01:00
Last year Radisson and Miss Edmonton left on October 9.

It is good to be back and I will  post a few recent pictures to share tomorrow. then Peter will help me do a slide show (I did not get it done last year :( ) but we will do one  with the best pictures we have after Froona fledged. I did not get to post what I wanted because my private life took an unexpected turn.

Off topic:
My dad, after taking a bad turn after operation number one, is now on the mend after emergency operation number 2. What a long 7 weeks. My sister -in -law is also on the mend after her mastectomy(operation was one day after my dads first operation.
thank you all  for your kind thoughts and words. I learned a lot about how  one has to fight to get action in the health system :o :o
Tracy , we will be contacting you after we get organized here at home.(with regards to seeing the pictures in Manitoba gallery.
sorry Peter did not answer your reply, Tracy.
too many things on the go I guess.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 03, 2009, 06:51
Welcome home Bev and Mr Bev!  What a summer you two have had, taking care of someone, whether human or winged! 

The cams haven't been on for awhile now, I did check a few times to see if we would get a chance to see Radisson, Damon and Miss Edmonton before they leave on their journey.  Hopefully you will get one last chance to say goodbye to them before they leave and if you do wish them both a safe journey for me  :-*

Happy to hear your dad is on the mend, that must have been quite an intense few months for your family.  I hope they both continue with a successful recovery!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 03, 2009, 07:31
Oh no, just saw the weather for Alberta - wet snow in some areas already  :o. 
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: BirdLover October 03, 2009, 07:35
Oh, it's so good to have you back Bev.   :-*  I am very glad that your family is on the mend and look forward to seeing the pics that you will share for us.
You may still get a glimpse of your family of peregrines.  Ours are still around!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 03, 2009, 21:39
The cam is back up.  :) :) Yeah. I sent a message and it appears a new group is operating it. I am confused but waiting for news from them.
I can never catch Radisson at her nest box but with cam up , we  just might. she turned in real early tonight. a threat of snow tonight or tomorrow. I will start posting here tomorrow . I wanted to get Weber done first as there are not as many pictures and Peter and I would like to give you some good shots here.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 04, 2009, 07:24
Yay thanks Bev!  I will keep it up toda hoping to see Radisson one last time unless they left last night  :'( :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 05, 2009, 22:09
Report from last night Oct4,2009

We went down at 4:50pm and Radisson was looking great and was sitting on southeast corner of clinical science. I was so glad to see her there as I have not been able to catch her at the nest box. This was just as good.
It was very cold and windy. A silly pigeon flew on the roof above her. When it flew off north east ,Radisson was right behind it. We watched Radisson stoop it by the diabetes building(across from  Campus tower). What a sight. She just missed it but I am sure she scared the p--p right out of it.

Radisson  then flew towards us and angled in and went in for the night. This was at 5:10pm. An early night for her. She looked great in the air . I only got one shot. I have to take lessons this winter for my camera. Peter is better at it.

The last 2 nights she has been  sleeping on the opposite side of Windsor apartments. She did this last year also.

I know some of you notice my love for Miss Edmonton, but I have to say, Radisson has my heart also. We all have our "special ones." RAdisson is different form Miss Edmonton in that she has a more tough love approach early on. MIss Edmonton and MIss Balzac did not leave the kids alone  as soon and did not expect self feeding as early.
Radisson is a great mom but leaves the kids alone in box quite early on.  (She is outside the box watching though). She expects them to attempt self feed very early on and I think that is why the nest box is so messy. But once they are ready to fledge she is there every step of the way. Beak feeding and making sure they get where they are going.  That is why her kids are so successful. She and Damon are a great team.

RAdisson turned for the night
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RAdisson flying towards us
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RAdisson on corner of Clinical science
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev18/DSC_0147-1.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev18/DSC_0146-1.jpg)

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: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 05, 2009, 22:37
Great report on Radisson Bev...yes, we do have our "special ones".  With Radisson, it's in the genes about her parental instincts and skills.  Look at who her parents are  :D....I indeed have my "special ones" as well.   
But all in all, we love our falcons! 
Thanks for your reports, dedication, devotion and enthusiasm....way to go Bev and Mr. Bev (Peter).
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 06, 2009, 05:14
Thank you for the report on Radisson Bev.  I'm glad you got to see her and in turn 'us' before she leaves for her long journey to the sun. 

I remember TPC telling us that Radisson vanished very soon after fledging in Winnepeg.  Whatever happened to her then must have forced her to learn to survive on her own quite quickly without P&T to spoil her so perhaps that is why she is adamant on teaching her offspring to learn to feed themselves so soon.  After all, without food they wouldn't last very long.  No doubt she has the right idea because look how far she's come...literally!

Thank you for sharing the photos with us of her and Miss Edmonton.  You  should all be proud of yourselves out there for contributing to such a successful season, some twists and turns but in the end it worked out well. 
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 06, 2009, 08:30
I will have a report  from last night and a slide show of her flying a little later today.
we are still out there and today we have wind warnings. Not a good day to leave but I am sure they will both be gone by the weekend.

I am just in awe every time I see her and when I see her coming in my heart just skips a few beats.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: The Peregrine Chick October 06, 2009, 19:16
Radisson moved away from the Radisson/Winnipeg nestsite pretty much as soon as she could - not like this year's Vesper that is for sure.  I should say that she wasn't on her own, it appeared as though Princess was keeping an eye on her because as soon as Radisson disappeared, so did Princess - didn't see either of them until Princess returned the next spring and Radisson turned up in Edmonton last year.  Did however see Trey on an almost daily basis and Bandit reappeared on the Radisson sign under the spycam a number of times after his stint in rehab (he strained muscles in his back/wing and needed some time before going back to the wild - about a month as I recall).

Nice to see Radisson doing so well, reminds me a bit of Princess' mothering this year - once the chicks were out of the tupper-nest, they were pretty much on their own except for mealtimes ....
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 06, 2009, 19:51
Oh that is interesting TPC, I didn't know that...I shouldn't be surprised by that though, they are exceptional parents and give their offspring all the training they can to prepare them for life. 

: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bcbird October 06, 2009, 22:04
Thanks, TPC, for adding the family tree perspective on mothering styles of Radisson and Princess.
There are so many reasons to love this forum, and your intimate knowledge of the personalities and family traits of our huge interrelated peregrine famlily is a big one.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 06, 2009, 22:30
Radisson moved away from the Radisson/Winnipeg nestsite pretty much as soon as she could - not like this year's Vesper that is for sure.  I should say that she wasn't on her own, it appeared as though Princess was keeping an eye on her because as soon as Radisson disappeared, so did Princess - didn't see either of them until Princess returned the next spring and Radisson turned up in Edmonton last year.  Did however see Trey on an almost daily basis and Bandit reappeared on the Radisson sign under the spycam a number of times after his stint in rehab (he strained muscles in his back/wing and needed some time before going back to the wild - about a month as I recall).

Nice to see Radisson doing so well, reminds me a bit of Princess' mothering this year - once the chicks were out of the tupper-nest, they were pretty much on their own except for mealtimes ....
GOOD GENES!!!!  Guess there is somethin' to the genetic pool after all!
Radisson is a wonderful mother....just like her mother.  I would love to see a falcon family tree! 
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: The Peregrine Chick October 08, 2009, 18:58
GOOD GENES!!!!  Guess there is somethin' to the genetic pool after all!
Radisson is a wonderful mother....just like her mother.  I would love to see a falcon family tree! 

Working on it ...  ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: Helen b October 08, 2009, 19:02
Where will you ever find time in your schedule for a family tree? ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 08, 2009, 20:23
GOOD GENES!!!!  Guess there is somethin' to the genetic pool after all!
Radisson is a wonderful mother....just like her mother.  I would love to see a falcon family tree! 

Working on it ...  ;D
Thanks TPC....you're the greatest, where do you find the time? 
I can't wait to see a family tree...I bet it'll be fascinating!   :D
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 08, 2009, 20:42
As of last night Radisson and Miss Edmonton were still here but we had snow this morning  and when Peter and I went down after his work today , there was no sign of either. We stayed until it got dark, which is early now.

I will post that slides show of Radisson flying the other night, tomorrow morning.Then I will post a report of the week I came back and then Peter and I will go through the photos and post some (probably a slide show) of the  best of what has not been posted yet.

I find this so dismal at this time of year. I am sure most of us feel the same when we have falcons that migrate.
I did shed a few tears . Fly safe my sweet girls. And we will await your return next year    :-* :-* 
Peter and I will go down again tomorrow , just to make sure. this is when they both migrated last year.

: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 08, 2009, 23:12
Oh Bev...we feel the same way!  I wish they didn't have to leave, but it's what they know and what they do.  All we can do is wish them well.  Good luck do our falcons!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 09, 2009, 08:10
Mine don't migrate but I feel the same way you do Bev especially as I've come to love Radisson so much.  I still think of Cassie and have her photos on my computer, I hope someday we hear of her having a mate and family of her own too.  They are all wonderful and I wish them all a safe migration  :-*

I wonder if George and Weezie will try to move on up again once they see Radisson and Damon gone  :o :P

Edit to add:  Ack!  Just watching the weather and see the snowy mess out in Alberta and the cold temperatures....ack -15 with the wind chill in Edmonton  :o!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 09, 2009, 11:05
We did see 2 ravens a week ago but right now just magpies and a few crows. the crows migrate, magpies do not.
Peter and I have offered to clean the nest box. we will see what they say.

I seem to get attached to all the peregrines.  ::) ::) RAdisson has certainly raised 5 wonderful babes. I am counting Hope ,as she and Damon made her successful.

As I said Peter and I will check again today and if no sightings then I am sure they left yesterday sometime.  We check where she went for the night and Miss Edmonton is not hard to locate.

 And  yesterday I almost drove off the highway,in the snow, as I spotted a bald eagle just west of Edmonton. 
It is funny when we are driving into the University because both Peter and I have eyes on buildings and skies. the problem is Peter is driving. ;D ;D ;D I do have a sticker on my bumper though that says I LOve Falcons. 
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 09, 2009, 19:38
Oh my god!!  I was just joking about the ravens but I just saw the photos on BCAW - they are back???  ???

Might be a good time to put some doors on that nest box!!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 11, 2009, 23:32
Happy Thanks giving

I wanted to post this now. 
This is from Oct 6. Our last time we saw Radisson flying.  Oct 7 and Oct 8 she turned in so early that we just saw her on the ledge where she sleeps


I will be discussing the cleaning of box and the ravens with the biologists.

Enjoy!!! 
                                                                                                                                                  Peter and I will be posting a bit more next week of shots not seen yet(possibly in slide show format.)

About 21 pictures

Click on picture to view show


(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev18/th_DSC_0152-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev18/?action=view&current=551ed29b.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 12, 2009, 00:47
Thanks for that Bev....she looks wonderful!!!!!!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bcbird October 12, 2009, 01:27
What a beautiful sequence of a lovely falcon.  Good bye Radisson, have a good flight south.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 12, 2009, 08:20
Thanks Bev for sharing those photos of Radisson with us, I miss her already  :-\

: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 12, 2009, 08:24
Ummmm....someone is in the nestbox right now...trying to make out who.  I'ts not a Raven either.  ???

Okay I've been staring for 15 minutes and it's not moving..maybe some old leftovers but part of it is out of the box  :-X    So I'm not going to worry.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 12, 2009, 09:23
Carly, they are the nasty leftover that are sticking out and up :)

: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly October 12, 2009, 10:36
Carly, they are the nasty leftover that are sticking out and up :)


Thanks Bev, amazing what the imagination can see  ::)  I feel better now  ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: Kinderchick October 12, 2009, 21:19
Thanks for all your posts and photos of Radisson, bev!  :D
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat October 12, 2009, 23:20
Carly, they are the nasty leftover that are sticking out and up :)


Radisson leaving us with the memory of the messy nestbox.   ;D
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 12, 2009, 23:45
A magpie is slowly taking some of the nestovers away.

As long as the ravens do not hang around.

I iwll be keeping a watch ,that is for sure.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: jadoo October 13, 2009, 07:57
I will be discussing the cleaning of box and the ravens with the biologists.

..i want to see pictures of the cleaning of the ravens...
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. October 13, 2009, 08:17
There is always a smart  one in the group eh!!! ;D ;D
I will have to read my messages before  I send them. ;) ;)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: jadoo October 13, 2009, 08:47
There is always a smart  one in the group eh!!! ;D ;D
I will have to read my messages before  I send them. ;) ;)

...you mean there won't be any cleaning of the ravens??  I was sooo looking forward to the pix... :'(
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly December 17, 2009, 18:20
Call me crazy but there is someone in the nestbox.  It's a bit dark but looks like a bird sitting in there??!!  7:20 pm EST time..  You can see my hallucination on Cam 3..could be frozen lefovers  :-X!
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bcbird December 17, 2009, 19:25
Hi Carly, I see what you mean.  In the box, cam 3.  What could it be?
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly December 17, 2009, 19:55
Hi Carly, I see what you mean.  In the box, cam 3.  What could it be?

I will check tomorrow in the daylight and see if it's really a bird sheltering from the cold or debris.  I don't why I thought to check the cam there at this hour but I just did...hopefully it's just a winter bird hanging out.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: Alison December 17, 2009, 20:31
I can't really tell what is in the box -- it is just too dark -- but is this what you saw, Bev? If so, I think it is probably leftovers.

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/wingshigh/Buckeye/Peregrines/edmontondec171.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly December 18, 2009, 05:19
Yes that's it Alison.  In the dark it sure looked like a bird sitting there.  I will check later on today in the light..you are probably right, it's probably leftovers and the dark and cam light was playing tricks on my mind.
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: carly December 18, 2009, 18:01
You were right Alison, I checked all 3 cams today and gees amazing what dusk, some debris and sprinkling of snow can make you think you are seeing  ;D ::)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: Alison December 18, 2009, 19:25
I checked the cams earlier, when it was still light -- and there is still so much debris in the nest. The exterior perch is also draped with leftovers.

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/wingshigh/Buckeye/Peregrines/edmontondec182ajpg.jpg)

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/wingshigh/Buckeye/Peregrines/edmontondec181a.jpg)
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: allikat December 18, 2009, 23:51
You were right Alison, I checked all 3 cams today and gees amazing what dusk, some debris and sprinkling of snow can make you think you are seeing  ;D ::)

I think we are all just suffering from a little falcon withdrawals right now.....
: Re: U of Alberta - Oct to Dec 2009
: bev. December 30, 2009, 15:11
Peter and I almost have all the pictures sized and will hopefully have our slide show up soon. Just so busy this season.

I am hoping to meet with Gordon early in January to discuss the box and the white contraption that I feel is a  great harm  for our birds.
I am not sure why they are so negligent in cleaning the box. i know they are busy but... 
: Re: U of Alberta - July 2009
: The Peregrine Chick January 13, 2010, 21:36
Not sure if this link is somewhere else in this thread, but here is a YouTube video of the banding of Radisson's and Damon's chicks this year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8tcXTQVcLk
: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 18, 2010, 23:59
I am going to finally post my slideshow.

There will be several so I will split them into several posts

This was a hard year for me, as I found organizing the first fledge watch very draining. It has taken a long time for me to recover .   It also meant I could not take as many pictures for all of you.

The shots in my shows are all from the ground so they are not always big. I tried to tell the story with the  pictures.
Peter and I are  still very troubled about the demise of white band as we always said he never left the nest box roof.  I guess having picked him off the ground and looking him in the eyes made it worse. I still have not been able to meet with the biologists but things will have to change next year if I do this officially.
Peter and I do not think we are knowledgeable enough to make the call as to whether they should be put back or not. I think they should always be checked out by someone who deals with the raptors on a daily basis. If we had not put him back , maybe he would have survived.


Having said that , we did do 5 rescues and had 3 make it to migration. 3 of the rescues were as a result of interference and this is unfortunate. It was not because they were not capable of flying. Red Bands first rescue was becasue he was scared off the perch when yellow band landed in the white contraption. His wings were not developed enough to be fledging. # 2 rescue of red band was becasue he was spooked off the roof by maintenance workers. # 3 should have been rescue #1 for him but at least he stayed put for a few days after that and was later very cocky and strong. He was a hoot to watch. Quite the personality.

I hope you enjoy my story in slides.
See next post
: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:01
These shows are dedicated to white band


I have put start and The end adn tired to say how many pictures in each one.
Someone requested I do that and it makes sense. I will have to learn how to do titles. they are not professional but doing them brought back so many memories.  :-* :-*
Click on pictures

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: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:01
The next 2 slideshows are the start of fledging and Froona after her first night night out.
 Poor Froona. She had such a strong flight at 9:30pm and the next day a maintenance worker scared her off the heart building intentionally because he thought a helicopter could come in. I did not report him and thankfully she was strong and eventually did well the day after.
what a beauty she is.

click on picutres


(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev29/th_UOFA_1-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev29/?action=view&current=4c245618.pbw)

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev29/th_UOFA_200-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev29/?action=view&current=39d8f63c.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:03
The next is a series of 4 slideshows showing the kids in action. I always tried to find all 3.

I had to leave suddenly mid august so Peter was left with the task of tracking them.

so when he came to pick me up on Vancouver Island mid September we had no one to watch.
but Froona was still there when he left Sept14.

the first 2 slideshows
Click on pictures

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/th_UOFA_52-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/?action=view&current=affe5bb9.pbw)

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/th_UOFA_702-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/?action=view&current=15a82b64.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:05
The next 3 slideshows are up to Peter left mid -September.

These bring back so many memories. In one show I show all 3 kids on ledge tucking in for the night. Red and Froona were on the same ledge. I remember that  because she came in so fast that I thought she would crash. Red looked astonished. those 2 were buds.
I think white and yellow would have been buds. Yellow was the one who left first and he was sighted  in an area west of Edmonton where a lot gather before migration :) :)

We always knew when Froona was around as she was so vocal. and Red always tried to knock the adults from their perches .
 click on pictures

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/th_UOFA_729-2.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/?action=view&current=88df9f61.pbw)

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/th_UOFA_832-2.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/?action=view&current=d032a726.pbw)

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/th_UOFA_1-1-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev%2030/?action=view&current=ce496b50.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:06
And finally Radissons last days before migration.
when we came back at the end of September we knew the kids would be gone. We must have  just missed Damon leaving.
this ,for me , is always a sad time because we never know what the next year will hold.
click on picutres

(http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev31/th_DSC_0111-1.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x135/fullbrandt/bev31/?action=view&current=366ff3b4.pbw)
: Re: U of Alberta - 2009 - Photos
: bev. January 19, 2010, 00:07
So I am done and feel relieved to have this done. I had so many pictures.
I split it up so as not to bore you too much.
remember these all from the ground and even with a great camera, when they are way up , they are way up  ::) ::)

So I believe there are about 7 or 8 shows  altogether